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March 28, 2013, 08:53:17 PM +0000 - Castle Combe (Car) - UKPnG Season 8 British Historic Cup
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#69094) P&G Group 5 1 1:14.316
89.721mph
1 38:06.982
87.465mph
30 1:14.876
89.050mph
Dunlop  
johnw
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#68036) P&G Group 5 6 +1.023
88.503mph
2 +0.418
87.449mph
30 1:15.370
88.466mph
Dunlop  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Alfa Romeo GTA (#67044) {unknown} 2 +0.879
88.672mph
3 +12.619
86.985mph
30 1:15.721
88.056mph
Dunlop  
SuperSWIFT
 
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#68036) P&G Group 5 5 +1.021
88.505mph
4 +18.487
86.764mph
30 1:15.944
87.798mph
Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm (#70098) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 7 +1.045
88.477mph
5 +21.720
86.642mph
30 1:15.432
88.394mph
Firestone  
Animal Ed
 
Ford Falcon (#68090) P&G Group 5 9 +1.463
87.989mph
6 +36.200
86.102mph
30 1:15.975
87.762mph
Dunlop  
NPP
 Team Oldie Racing
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#69094) P&G Group 5 4 +0.954
88.584mph
7 +48.316
85.655mph
30 1:15.472
88.347mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#69094) P&G Group 5 8 +1.345
88.126mph
8 +55.111
85.407mph
30 1:16.135
87.577mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Falcon (#68043) P&G Group 5 3 +0.949
88.590mph
9 +1:00.439
85.213mph
30 1:16.199
87.504mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
FIAT Abarth TC1000 Gr5 (#69041) P&G Group 5 14 +9.485
79.566mph
10 +3L
76.010mph
27 1:23.697
79.665mph
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm (#70001) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 10 +1.467
87.984mph
11 +10L 20 1:15.642
88.148mph
suspension
Firestone  
SpecialKS
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm (#70003) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 13 +3.521
85.662mph
12 +22L 8 1:18.066
85.411mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#69094) P&G Group 5 13 +23L 7 1:19.261
84.123mph
unknown
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Falcon (#68104) P&G Group 5 12 +3.066
86.166mph
14 +24L 6 1:17.650
85.869mph
engine
Dunlop  
simon loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#68036) P&G Group 5 11 +2.289
87.040mph
+30L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Frex admits to a cut at a chicane and feels that an unfair advantage over an opponent was taken as a result.
We cannot judge "what might of been" but no penalty for the cut is awarded as it's judged a one off.

  • frexcaution — One cut at chicane is not considered worthy of a penalty

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 5
1:14.316
89.721mph
frex
Qualifying
Ford Escort TC (60s)March 28, 2013, 08:53:17 PM +0000
P8BHC
GTR2
P&G Group 5
1:14.876
89.050mph
frex
Race
Ford Escort TC (60s)March 28, 2013, 08:53:17 PM +0000
P8BHC
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr2 U2L
1:15.361
88.477mph
Clive Loynes
Qualifying
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm March 28, 2013, 08:53:17 PM +0000
P8BHC
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr2 U2L
1:15.432
88.394mph
Clive Loynes
Race
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm March 28, 2013, 08:53:17 PM +0000
P8BHC
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« Reply #45 on: March 28, 2013, 06:48:43 PM +0000 »

If someone wants to manage car restrictions for events, sign here .......................
Unfortunately I would struggle to find time.
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« Reply #46 on: March 28, 2013, 07:26:05 PM +0000 »

If someone wants to manage car restrictions for events, sign here .......................
Unfortunately I would struggle to find time.

It shouldn't be any extra work apart from the fact that each driver would need to check their champ status. Your usual car testing would expose the fastest car(s) of the group and these could be indicated in the race post. It might just stop this endless pre-race "negotiations" and save you some awkward decisions.

If you needed more testing, I'd be happy to volunteer my time as I'm sure others would.....a quick pm would be all that's needed.
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« Reply #47 on: March 28, 2013, 09:33:24 PM +0000 »

took the last minute oportunity to race & joined just before qually in one of the Alpha's (they're always a good safe choice).
Got some really nice little scraps in & profited from others mistakes. Eventually Clive caught & passed me with ease & then two corners later I was somewhat caught out by his braking point (in the same car as me) & found myself in the tyres to avoid him. Kept going round with a knackered suspension & had a few brief scraps as I wrestled the car now, but lost it as speed into some other tyres & that just broke the car a little too much so I quit after another lap or two.

Well done all.

Look forward to seeing some quicker drivers excluded from say the fastest two cars to increase the in race battles, rather than seeing them at the start line only. But understand some people aren't looking to battle race long.
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« Reply #48 on: March 28, 2013, 09:40:36 PM +0000 »

that was a bit meh from my point of view. I took 4th on the grid, was down to 6th by the first corner and then hit Geoffers up the back at the 2nd chicane and bumped him off. I took a self/imposed drive-through penalty and found myself last. Apart from a battle with my team-mate Legzy which lasted for a few laps until he spun off, I had a lonely race thereafter, being able to slowly gain a little on the cars in front of me but much too slowly to ever get close to them.

I was, however, massively pleased with the 1:15.4 I managed on hard tyres and with race fuel - much too much fuel, as it turned out.

Congrats to the podium!
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« Reply #49 on: March 28, 2013, 09:53:28 PM +0000 »

Very nice race that. Took the 1600 Alfa as a last minute self handicap and used a setup I created for Jules for our Silverstone race, so was surprised to find myself up at P2 in quali  Shocked

Got the jump on frex off the grid and managed to hold the lead for a lot longer than expected. A difficult track to overtake, but unfortunately I made it easy with a couple of mi-shifts and a wheel on the grass exiting one of the chicanes. Once ahead frex and John pulled away from me, but good fun while it lasted.

My left front was showing 24 wear by the end and my brakes weren't working at all well into the big stop (at Quarry?) Didn't realise PnG simulated brake fade so impressive stuff if it does  Cool

Well done frex and John.


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« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2013, 09:55:12 PM +0000 »

Bit meh for me too.

Enjoyed the qually battle, moving up and down the leader board with every tenth gained or lost. Smiley

Race start was odd, literally as I joined the grid the lights went green and I got swamped before I could even put it into 1st gear  Shocked
Was side by side with Simon through turn 3 and we touched side on which saw him off on the grass, was sad to see him DNf early.  Sad
I then got stuck behind matts falcon for a few laps which allowed legz to close. I lost sight of him into T1 and had to brake off the grippy side which left me spinning!
Had a cracking battle with geoffers falcon for about 10 laps with nowt between us than extra horses in his tank!
Sadly I finally tapped his fat butt out of a chicane exit and the big lump surprised me by going off on the grass. I did the decent (but very frustrating!!) thing and waited for him to rejoin, allowing NPp and legzy through   Sad
Geoffers fell off a lap later and likewise legzy a few laps further and despite a hard chase I couldn't catch NPp but kept a charging geoffers behind too of a dull 8th. I just struggled for ultimate pace on the medium tyres.
Was surprised at the many dnf's  Huh Only 15 cars tonight too, who's missing?

Amazing pace by frex in the escort for the win  Cool
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« Reply #51 on: March 28, 2013, 10:21:58 PM +0000 »

...... Eventually Clive caught & passed me with ease & then two corners later I was somewhat caught out by his braking point (in the same car as me) & found myself in the tyres to avoid him.

Nothing different that lap Chris.

I was changing down to 2nd to get steering and then back up to 3rd whilst still in the corner.

Since you were stuffed up my exhaust I suspect that you were going a bit quicker due to slipstream.

I was trying to get around the outside of Niels after the first chicane on lap one when he decided that he wanted the bit of track that I was on.  After my trip to the meadow there were not many people left behind me, if any.

So I tried to claw my way back through the grid.  A lot of people were on the grass as I passed them and I think that Legzy had dropped a wheel off the tarmac to allow me past as well.

Ed was the big challenge in his aircraft carrier!  Thankfully, when I got alongside into the second chicane, he didn't dispute who had rights to knock down which marker posts. 

I set about trying to catch Superswift but ran out of laps.

Grats to frex, John and Tudor.
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« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2013, 10:29:20 PM +0000 »

Sorry Clive, not meaning to suggest you were doing anything wrong, you were obviously lapping quicker than me probably in part due to your 'slow in - fast out' approach compared to my normal somewhat "fast in - try to hold it sideways - slow out" approach Grin

If I was catching you over multiple laps (as normal whistling), I'd obviously have been aware of the speed differences & I'm sure been able to corner more in-sync with you, but it's harder to spot that in the rear-view & obviously you'd literally just past me. I should have applied more caution Smiley
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« Reply #53 on: March 28, 2013, 10:30:32 PM +0000 »

I'm showing as class unknown in the results Huh  I was in a 60's group2 car  Wink
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« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2013, 07:59:44 AM +0000 »

I'm showing as class unknown

We don't know if your a peasant or a gentleman sir?  Grin
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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2013, 08:23:31 AM +0000 »

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Not something within my powers to fix I think. Is the 1st time we have used it, and was unknown as were a few others
each event we do the number of unknown cars is less as once I have added them they are then "known"
Nothing different with this car last night, I think perhaps Dave had not included it in the P&G 3 list somehow.
I will ask.

I was having some fun, apparently getting in the way of MJ  Roll Eyes when I put a wheel on the outside grass and spun
after that was slowly catching back up when I changed down too early and blew the engine Shocked
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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2013, 08:37:33 AM +0000 »

If I was catching you over multiple laps (as normal whistling),

LOL
I must check my records to see when that happened.  Not sure they go back that far.  Roll Eyes

But thanks for choosing to clout the scenery rather than me.
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« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2013, 10:03:31 AM +0000 »

I quit early as I was so off pace in the Escort. Just couldn't find good lines on the circuit and the chicanes are nothing like their real life counterparts. Respect to the drivers who were managing blisteringly quick times in the Escort, for me it was snail like.
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« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2013, 11:16:33 AM +0000 »

Great race, lots of fun. First part very close racing with GT and john; second part in clear air and trying to pull a gap with some fast laps; final part after i spun allowing john back through, and then trying to chase him down again. Fun throughout!

However, i'm sorry to darken the mood and bring up the cut issue yet again, but i've submitted an incident report against myself for a cut at the first chicane on the last lap. Despite the fact that john got a little sideways on the grass and lost some speed, i cannot be sure that i would not have been able to pass him without my cut of the previous chicane. If not that's an unfair advantage gained, and i'm not happy winning the race like that. Especially on the last lap, when john had no chance to fight back.

Please exclude me, or at least deduct me a place or two. Sorry john.
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« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2013, 11:27:59 AM +0000 »

Here is the sequence of events:

Approaching chicane, almost side by side with john:



Exit of chicane - 2 wheels on grass, 2 on kerb, a clear cut:



John gets on the grass and loses a little speed:



I pass into next corner:

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