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  • S2469X Monza: March 08, 2013
March 08, 2013, 09:47:42 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Extra Trophy (69X)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.173
149.392mph
1 49:34.819
147.020mph
34 1:25.630
150.222mph
Dunlop  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:25.933
149.692mph
2 (+2) +17.231
146.174mph
34 1:26.483
148.740mph
Dunlop  
Artiglietti
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.290
149.189mph
3 +30.596
145.524mph
34 1:26.435
148.823mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 15 +1.525
147.082mph
4 +33.166
145.399mph
34 1:27.411
147.161mph
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 6 +0.925
148.098mph
5 +34.324
145.343mph
34 1:26.274
149.101mph
Dunlop  
robert john
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 19 6 +47.272
144.721mph
34 1:27.304
147.342mph
Firestone  
Flow
 
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 12 +1.295
147.470mph
7 +47.304
144.719mph
34 1:26.839
148.131mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 9 +1.045
147.894mph
8 +1L
142.617mph
33 1:27.084
147.714mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 11 +1.291
147.477mph
9 +12.528
142.019mph
33 1:27.338
147.284mph
Dunlop  
HendyNichols
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 16 +1.562
147.020mph
10 +41.228
140.668mph
33 1:28.102
146.007mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 14 +1.447
147.213mph
12 +12L
141.106mph
22 1:27.586
146.867mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +0.675
148.526mph
13 (+2) +16L
139.287mph
18 1:27.420
147.146mph
Disco
Dunlop  
G Jonsson
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 7 +0.929
148.091mph
16 +34L
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Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 10 +1.089
147.819mph
17
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 13 +1.395
147.301mph
18
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 18 19 DNS ---
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Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 17 +1.628
146.909mph
Excluded +1L
139.502mph
33 1:27.938
146.279mph
Firestone  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 4 +0.510
148.809mph
Excluded +17L
139.531mph
17 1:26.953
147.936mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 8 +1.004
147.964mph
Excluded +22L
137.321mph
12 1:27.915
146.318mph
Disco
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

The driving standards in the 69X continue to surprise...


Server replay time: 0

Fulvio, Bob and Natan all forget that they are allowed ONE Shift-R only and get a bit greedy. Bob\'s second Shift-R is just outside the pits after his stop\'n\'go and is very mysterious... answers on a postcard.

Unfortunately for these three the penalty is clear... DQ :(


Server replay time: 0h01m30s

Bob tries to get inside Art at Lesmo 2 but he overcooks it and spins. That pushes Art on to the fence and then cars arrive at regular intervals to add to the mess. The initial incident is a Racing Incident with neither party doing much wrong although Bob would have been wiser to be more patient.

I am not going to moderate the afters but watching some of the recovery driving is amazing(ly bad). Feel particularly sorry for Andreas whose fiery wreck is assailed by three impatient souls. Hang your heads...


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Marco has a lap to forget...

First of all he passes Bob at Parabolica but leaves his braking too late and takes Bob out.

He spins and then drives back on to the racing line straight in front of Hristo. Rules say: The rejoining driver was in full control but nevertheless drove straight back onto the track without leaving enough room for other cars. Contact was NOT made but other drivers had to take avoiding action.

As H catches up and pulls out to pass Marco maintains his line and is clearly having a nice snooze and takes the leader out... problem here was that Marco drifted from right to left which made it difficult for H to go right. Marco needed to maintain his line. Rules say: On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake, maintains his line and has NOT achieved 100% overlap but the overtaken driver moves across into him. Penalty for overtaken driver.

Not great.


Server replay time: 0h45m00s

Art has passed Piero and Piero wants to try and get back quickly.

I cannot really put it better than Art does.

[I entered the bend ahead and stayed on the outside, Piero tried to undercut to the inside, but was way too fast, lost the rear, wiped me off]

Piero MUST take more care when involved in close racing. This is a developing pattern.

The closest guideline is: The victim made no mistakes and was driving their normal line at normal speed. The shunter had lost control on the approach to the braking zone and consequently braked later than intended.

  • Piero Mercaldopenalty — Simple Rear End Shunt — 1 place lost (plus 1 for penalty points)

March 08, 2013, 09:49:01 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Extra Trophy (69X)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:27.743
146.591mph
1 50:57.240
143.044mph
34 1:28.153
145.909mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +0.838
145.204mph
2 +5.629
142.781mph
34 1:28.132
145.944mph
Firestone  
Geoff65
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.798
145.270mph
3 +31.288
141.594mph
34 1:28.046
146.086mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +1.398
144.292mph
4 +1L
141.549mph
33 1:29.327
143.991mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (1969) F1 1969 8 +4.489
139.456mph
5 +1:34.912
137.206mph
33 1:31.682
140.293mph
Firestone  
Adam Cooper
 Team Coyote
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 7 +3.286
141.299mph
6 +16L
135.369mph
18 1:31.468
140.621mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 6 +2.825
142.018mph
7 +20L
136.778mph
14 1:29.654
143.466mph
Disco
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.100
146.424mph
8 +27L
140.755mph
7 1:28.769
144.896mph
Disco
Firestone  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Eagle AAR101 F1 1969 9 +10.838
130.475mph
9 +28L
124.626mph
6 1:38.978
129.951mph
Disco
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 10 +20.121
119.246mph
10 +33L
125.942mph
1 1:38.189
130.995mph
Disco
Firestone  
UKGPL 3
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 11 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

69X, Monza... what could POSSIBLY go wrong???

Actually, not much. Badblood and Johnny.P suffer early blown engines but then nothing worth mentioning until the last lap.


Server replay time: 0h50m54s

As Fran himself says - replay of the incident in the Privateers. Different driver on the inside, same result. Same moderation...

Geoff is quicker than Fran and has the inside line at Curva Grande. Tricky place to make it stick and Fran is unlucky in that GPL always seems to punish the outside car. However, it is the last lap and self preservation says \"Do not risk it\". Fran either hopes Geoff will back out or that GPL will be kind. Neither happens.

From Geoffs POV he has already made the pass. From Frans POV Geoff is invisible as he turns in.

Drivers are reminded (again) that if the car has disappeared from your mirrors and has not appeared in front, you should assume he is alongside.

The rules have this: Contested Overtake - The overtaking car had achieved a 50% or greater overlap but not 100% or greater at the point of turn-in and both drivers were in full control.

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« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2013, 06:35:40 PM +0000 »

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mine doesn't snap oversteer when I close the throttle.
Thank you Geoff but frankly speaking is my choice to have overtseer when i release the gas.
I have found this an help in some curve like curva grande or Lesmo 2.
As explained if i don't see the wheels of the other car, I can imagine that the car is on the rear flank and ,since the kind of curve in full speed,i imagine again that the other pilot desist from the attempt.
The same happen in the 67 with fabio but always this the same result:my car destroied. Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2013, 06:46:44 PM +0000 »

Not really a good assumption, Francesco. It's quite possible to do CG side by side and I've done it many times, including in this race with Piero. It's actually much easier in 69s (and 65s) compared to 67s (or 3L 66s) because of the better grip of the cars in relation to the speed they're going at. Lesmo 2 I agree it's more tricky, but the point is you can't really assume someone is behind you just because they're in your blind spot. I would never close a door relying on such an assumption, I'd rather let a person by than make contact and risk retirement. Of course that doesn't mean I won't blame them for taking such a risk at a bad spot, but while Lesmo 2 may be a bad spot indeed, CG isn't really such, it's wide enough.
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2013, 06:36:59 PM +0000 »

To start the comparison between me and you in GPL is like to compare one terrestrial with an alien Grin
One day you must explain me in wich way you are so fast.
Like Geof said ,also for me was a surprise to find his car perfectly on the side.
Anyway because i live in Como 40km from Monza or because is the easier ,I know very well the track and i know,with any mod,that when i release the gas i must go closer as possible to the lower wall otherwise i go into the highest wall.Obviously when i am on maximum speed like in a race.
I drive with a Logitec Momo plus a metallic pedal and Act lab H(shape)gear and i use the clutch,and you?
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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2013, 07:38:19 PM +0000 »

What happens when you lift up the throttle depends on the setup really, mostly the differential settings.

I use Logitech Driving Force Pro, no Clutch pedal, left-foot braking. I'd be spinning every corner if I had to RFB.
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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2013, 09:15:31 PM +0000 »

I drive exactly the same as Hristo , same wheel , same pedals , no clutch , LFB and same diff settings , only difference I do it in slow motion  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2013, 03:29:33 AM +0000 »

I've turned my FF off recently and it's been better like that, it just gives you more freedom with the car. As for wheel settings, I set it at 460 degrees and 8:1 steering ratio in the setup.
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« Reply #51 on: March 16, 2013, 09:41:10 AM +0000 »

If you use the clutch,that is correct for the era,probably you are less fast depending on the track.
When i have used the clutch for the first time i lost from 1 to 2second at Monza.Like in the real F1 if you use the clutch and the H gear you must forgot the fast change of gear expecially entering the curve during breaking Grin.Also on the straght,maily for the H gear, you are not so fast like a sequential gear.
Anyway I use a steering ratio 10:1,500 400 anti roll bar(in F1 F2) and 2 block with a ratio 60/30 that give the oversteer when you release the gas.
PS for Hristo:I done an overtaking side by side in Imola 67 with Gerard but was the first slow(very slow) curve after the start line.
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2013, 04:16:52 AM +0000 »

If you use the clutch,that is correct for the era,probably you are less fast depending on the track.
When i have used the clutch for the first time i lost from 1 to 2second at Monza.Like in the real F1 if you use the clutch and the H gear you must forgot the fast change of gear expecially entering the curve during breaking Grin.Also on the straght,maily for the H gear, you are not so fast like a sequential gear.
Anyway I use a steering ratio 10:1,500 400 anti roll bar(in F1 F2) and 2 block with a ratio 60/30 that give the oversteer when you release the gas.
PS for Hristo:I done an overtaking side by side in Imola 67 with Gerard but was the first slow(very slow) curve after the start line.

I would use a clutch pedal if I had one and yeah, I know of the advantages of using a shifter, but it doesn't really bother me. Some people call it an unfair advantage, but not me.
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