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March 17, 2013, 09:36:18 PM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 4 +0.357
86.799mph
1 39:52.686
85.814mph
27 1:27.709
86.703mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 1 1:27.255
87.154mph
2 +0.736
85.787mph
27 1:26.958
87.452mph
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 2 +0.053
87.101mph
3 +15.055
85.277mph
27 1:27.012
87.398mph
Firestone  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +0.356
86.800mph
4 +19.597
85.117mph
27 1:27.950
86.466mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 5 +0.606
86.553mph
5 +37.845
84.478mph
27 1:27.494
86.916mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 11 +2.297
84.919mph
6 +51.243
84.015mph
27 1:29.194
85.260mph
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 10 +1.741
85.449mph
7 +56.387
83.838mph
27 1:29.154
85.298mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 9 +1.634
85.552mph
8 +56.906
83.820mph
27 1:28.538
85.891mph
Goodyear  
Dean_0
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 12 +2.800
84.445mph
9 +1L
82.436mph
26 1:29.692
84.786mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 14 +4.481
82.897mph
10 +3.865
82.303mph
26 1:30.687
83.856mph
Dunlop  
robert john
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 16 11 +11.270
82.050mph
26 1:29.860
84.628mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +1.130
86.040mph
12 +36.479
81.201mph
26 1:29.743
84.738mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 8 +1.588
85.597mph
13 +8L
81.601mph
19 1:28.830
85.609mph
Disco
Goodyear  
uli
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 6 +0.782
86.380mph
14 +15L
82.967mph
12 1:28.364
86.061mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 13 +3.223
84.050mph
15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 14 16 ---
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Firestone  

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Server replay time: 0h00m58s

Red zone alomost clean - Dean Logan in the \"slow\" Cooper makes a fast start & makes minor contact with Ronnie\'s tail pipe on the exit of turn 1. Dean slides into the gravel but there is no real harm to Ronnie. - Racing Incident.

March 17, 2013, 09:37:37 PM +0000 - Jarama - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 41B GPL F2 1 1:28.290
86.178mph
1 40:39.886
84.198mph
27 1:28.812
85.672mph
Firestone  
blito
 Shadows
McLaren M4A GPL F2 2 +1.433
84.802mph
2 +28.679
83.220mph
27 1:29.442
85.068mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T84 GPL F2 3 +1.807
84.450mph
3 +1:00.650
82.156mph
27 1:30.524
84.051mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 7 +2.708
83.614mph
4 +1:10.606
81.830mph
27 1:31.318
83.321mph
Firestone  
ed76
 Team Coyote
Matra MS5 GPL F2 9 +3.199
83.165mph
5 +1L
80.847mph
26 1:32.518
82.240mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +2.186
84.096mph
6 (+1) +1.390
80.801mph
26 1:29.578
84.939mph
Firestone  
Nigel Smith
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 4 +1.963
84.304mph
7 +21.529
80.142mph
26 1:31.023
83.591mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 
Matra MS5 GPL F2 10 +3.319
83.056mph
8 +41.115
79.511mph
26 1:32.190
82.532mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Matra MS7 GPL F2 12 +4.100
82.354mph
9 +50.214
79.222mph
26 1:31.996
82.707mph
Dunlop  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 13 +4.548
81.956mph
10 +54.859
79.074mph
26 1:31.761
82.918mph
Firestone  
tintin
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 8 +3.101
83.254mph
11 +1:19.817
78.293mph
26 1:31.572
83.089mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 11 +3.806
82.617mph
12 +1:24.071
78.162mph
26 1:33.011
81.804mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 5 +2.017
84.253mph
13 +15L
83.121mph
12 1:29.549
84.967mph
Disco
Goodyear  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 14 +17.405
71.987mph
14 +17L
69.918mph
10 1:41.300
75.110mph
Disco
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 15 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 15 16 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Red zone is clean.


Server replay time: 0h02m00s

Rainier makes a pass on Fran in the hairpin. Fran\'s line was very wide which opens a gap. Rainier has almost 100% overlap but there is contact between Frans front & Rainer\'s rear. Fran spins into the armco.
Whilst Rainier had made a pass he clips the inside of the kerb & runs out to the right of the track Fran would have been unsighted until very late & is not to blame. Side-by-Side penalty for Rainier but it seems that by trying to keep a tight line the contact with the kerb forced him wider than expected. Reduced to a warning.


Server replay time: 0h02m49s

Rainier is having a bad day & runs into the back of Tin Tin.


Server replay time: 0h03m10s

Tin Tin takes a Shift R & moves off - keeping to the edge of the track. Phillipe checks his speed on the approach. Fran arrives & is surprised by Phillipe\'s lack of speed & runs in Tin Tin. Fran really should have he should have done the same as Phillipe & exercised more care when approaching an incident.


Server replay time: 0h03m10s

Tin Tin is forced to take a second Shift R which I will allow this as the consequence of the first incident.

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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2013, 05:33:25 PM +0000 »

Skippin' this one, a poor excuse for a goat track, rather than a race track. More likely be a crash fest than anything else. I'm off to bed......good luck everyone, you'll need it.
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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2013, 06:31:58 PM +0000 »

...they could win with an underrated car...

Then, please, show where I've had ANY chance of winning an F2 race even in an equivalent car?

Watkins showed what happens when I'm forced into a slower car. LAST on the grid (nearly half a second behind the next slowest car at the shortest track of the season) and LAST in the race (except for a late mistake by Ronnie).
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2013, 07:12:06 PM +0000 »

strange result considering your fl was only marginally slower than the2nd place Brabham of Al Heller, and you in an "inferior car " perhaps you took a wrong turn somewhere   Roll Eyes  maybe you should stop whining and do your talking on the tarmac . just my tuppence worth  Tongue
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2013, 07:26:30 PM +0000 »

...your fl was only marginally slower than the2nd place Brabham of Al Heller...

Solely due to sitting in Axel's draft, while running dead last. Remove that factor and I was a full second slower. How is this "race winning" pace?
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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2013, 07:55:20 PM +0000 »

draughts is an excellent game to play in F2 , no doubt the faster cars got there times with the same aids to performance  Shocked
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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2013, 08:28:12 PM +0000 »

...draughts is an excellent game to play in F2 , no doubt the faster cars got there times with the same aids to performance...

Which has exactly what to do with showing how I can supposedly win races in a hamstrung car, as Rainier claimed (and you echoed) above?
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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2013, 08:40:53 PM +0000 »

Wow - never knew you lot cared so much... four pages and we haven't even raced yet!

As for dictatorship, lol, I was simply pointing out that if you don't like the system, that is fair enough but it is the same for everyone and whilst it may not be perfect we do feel that it is fair. It is a balance between keeping the championship close to allow lesser drivers a sniff of champagne, allowing the best drivers to win or podium and giving the moderators a ton of work... we haven't quite fallen over... yet  Grin
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2013, 09:00:21 PM +0000 »

...allow lesser drivers a sniff of champagne...

The only time that's happened this season is when (at Brands) Raoni didn't show up, and BOTH Hristo and Clive discoed. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2013, 10:36:28 PM +0000 »

...they could win with an underrated car...

Then, please, show where I've had ANY chance of winning an F2 race even in an equivalent car?

Watkins showed what happens when I'm forced into a slower car. LAST on the grid (nearly half a second behind the next slowest car at the shortest track of the season) and LAST in the race (except for a late mistake by Ronnie).

Sorry Dean but I made a general remark not especially for you.
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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2013, 10:46:08 PM +0000 »

Clive was second in the Cooper - not such a great handicap - as we have said, that car is fairly even with all the others.
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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2013, 11:06:00 PM +0000 »

Clive was second in the Cooper - not such a great handicap - as we have said, that car is fairly even with all the others.

Look again.
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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2013, 11:33:52 PM +0000 »

I did some comparative tests of F2, the performance is very close except
Cooper is a little slower, ferrari and BT14 are much less efficient
when you see the differences in the end have to make a racing with Lola instead of a matra or BT23 does not lose much (except when practices times are close like Watkin Glen)
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« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2013, 12:51:27 AM +0000 »

personnaly, if I miss some races in differents series, it's not because of a strategie for winning or because I'm affraid to drive a slower car than the others, I don't care about that...no, the only reason is that I'm racing in French ligues the tuesday,friday and sunday, and sometime there is a conflict of date.....but I never think about skip a race 'cause of points or badcar , it's just unclever, cause itch point is précious in a champ, and it's also a challenge to drive a slower car, and it's can help sometime ....if ( for exemple ) I win Jarama , I've goods chances to get a 2CV ( CITROËN ) for monza 10k.....no problémo ! I take it and do my best to bring back some precious points for the champ..... Tongue

Bravo Tristan !

I am sure you would stay one of the best even with the BT14 in F2 or the Cooper in mod65.
I really do not understand all these sim drivers contesting any decisions made by the moderators, they could win with an underrated car but they absolutely want the best !
why ? they really like boring races ?  

I've been handicapped and over-handicapped for some 5-6 years (some 10 seasons!) and had to drive my ass off, ruining my health, compensate all the time, even against people who were on my pace in equal machinery, and I'm simply tired of people in this league demanding that fast drivers are so handicapped that they stop winning races, which is what this is all about. How about they start winning on their own merit, work they asses off as much as I did and improve, or if they can't, then just accept they're slower and deal with it? There will always be someone quicker, but so what? Should I complain that JB is quicker than me? I'm really tired of being treated like an inhuman and people always washing their hands with the "oh but I'm slow" excuse - I don't care, it's your problem! All I ask for is fair rules for everyone, not an agenda to babysit slower drivers and destroy faster ones.  Roll Eyes

Wow - never knew you lot cared so much... four pages and we haven't even raced yet!

As for dictatorship, lol, I was simply pointing out that if you don't like the system, that is fair enough but it is the same for everyone and whilst it may not be perfect we do feel that it is fair. It is a balance between keeping the championship close to allow lesser drivers a sniff of champagne, allowing the best drivers to win or podium and giving the moderators a ton of work... we haven't quite fallen over... yet  Grin

It's not the same for everyone. Regardless of how experienced, knowledgeable and wise you are, as long as YOU (someone) decides the handicap and not a written system that doesn't rely on anything but cold facts/stats, there will be unfairness one way or another. I can't believe you don't realize that.
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« Reply #58 on: March 18, 2013, 01:26:05 AM +0000 »

Clive was second in the Cooper - not such a great handicap - as we have said, that car is fairly even with all the others.

Look again.

Its a Coop in the import... you took the Lubetech! good ol' SROU!

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« Reply #59 on: March 18, 2013, 02:30:33 AM +0000 »

Grats Ronnie.

Updated standings after Jarama (with drops taken into consideration):
1) Raoni    125
2) Tristan  124
3) Ronnie   116
4) DLogan  112
5) Clive     107
6) Hristo    106

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