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April 18, 2013, 08:46:43 PM +0100 - Charade (1989-) - UKPnG Season 8 Grand Touring Championship
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#72007) P&G 70s Gr2 O2L 2 +0.199
76.230mph
1 43:48.369
74.659mph
20 2:09.273
75.898mph
Goodyear  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#72003) P&G 70s Gr2 O2L 3 +0.281
76.181mph
2 +27.086
73.898mph
20 2:10.100
75.416mph
Dunlop  
Hotkeys
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#72007) P&G 70s Gr2 O2L 3 +47.473
73.335mph
20 2:10.143
75.391mph
Goodyear  
johnw
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#68003) P&G Group 5 1 2:08.512
76.348mph
4 +48.016
73.320mph
20 2:10.453
75.212mph
Dunlop  
robiker
 
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#71008) P&G 70s Gr2 O2L 9 +2.549
74.863mph
5 +55.037
73.128mph
20 2:11.371
74.686mph
Firestone  
Animal Ed
 
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72069) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 7 +2.118
75.110mph
6 +58.104
73.045mph
20 2:11.541
74.590mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72079) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 8 +2.143
75.096mph
7 +1:00.084
72.991mph
20 2:11.633
74.538mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71040) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 5 +1.835
75.273mph
8 +1:03.143
72.908mph
20 2:11.196
74.786mph
Firestone  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#68016) P&G Group 5 14 +6.156
72.858mph
9 +1:28.618
72.224mph
20 2:13.876
73.289mph
Dunlop  
LesN
 
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71042) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 15 +7.316
72.236mph
10 +1L
70.557mph
19 2:16.023
72.132mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm (#70028) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 17 +11.683
69.985mph
11 +23.176
69.944mph
19 2:17.997
71.100mph
Firestone  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#72007) P&G 70s Gr2 O2L 10 +2.637
74.813mph
12 +38.152
69.553mph
19 2:10.853
74.982mph
Goodyear  
massimogt italy
 
Ford Capri 2600 RS (#72053) P&G 70s Gr2 O2L 13 +4.917
73.534mph
13 +2L
66.004mph
18 2:16.065
72.110mph
Dunlop  
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72061) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 6 +1.992
75.182mph
14 +5L 15 2:11.482
74.623mph
unknown
Dunlop  
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Escort TC (60s) (#69094) P&G Group 5 11 +3.412
74.373mph
15 +8L 12 2:11.461
74.635mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Nik
 
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72079) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 4 +1.063
75.721mph
16 +9L 11 2:10.473
75.200mph
unknown
Dunlop  
SpecialKS
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm (#70002) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 18 +12.720
69.472mph
17 +13L 7 2:18.885
70.646mph
unknown
Firestone  
Mogget
 
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1750 GTAm (#70003) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 12 +3.491
74.329mph
18 +19L 1 2:28.040
66.277mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Walter Conn
 
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71041) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 16 +9.525
71.080mph
+20L 0 ---
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unknown
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Goldtop passes Robiker before a tight rh turn. Robiker then hits the rear of Goldtop and spins him. Goldtop has declared that no penalty should be given so we respect his wishes.
Robiker moves away from the incident in order to not block the road (good) but fails to let Goldtop regain the place lost (bad) or take a voluntary drive through (bad).
This time we\'ll let this go with a caution but all drivers are reminded that gentlemen drivers should give back places to victims whenever possible or take a drive through within 3 laps of the incident occurring.

  • robiker (Robert Beck)caution — Causing an incident/failing to let victim pass or perform a drive through
    For advice only - unreported by victim, so penalty disregarded

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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2013, 06:19:15 PM +0100 »

Porsche ( most fun car to drive by far ) with race fuel and soft tires: 2:11,193 but rear tires are finished after 10 laps.
With medium tires 2:11,287 but with that way of driving tires can not last the distance.
Mediums and pace about 2:12 - 2:12,5 it is posible but boring because I can see only one overtaking spot so I`ll go with hards and have fun no matter where I`ll end up.
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2013, 06:45:05 PM +0100 »

Well I know the weather is carp, but we are actually in BST since 2 weeks ago. I might not be in the right year, but I'm still sure about the time of day  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2013, 10:05:16 PM +0100 »

This one looks a challenge for the curb police.  Roll Eyes

Difficult to stay on the track, even when you are trying to!
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2013, 10:18:11 PM +0100 »

i think this track encourages use of the kerbs really, considering they are the low white flat type. Theres no advantage to anyone cutting an apex across the grass from what i can see as it instantly slows you down or puts the car out of shape, so using a bit of kerb should be fine imo. These cars are a handful enough between the dipping esses !
Wasnt happy being a tad down on time...2:11's now race fuel & meds online  Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2013, 11:08:04 PM +0100 »

Hang on a minute, I (rightly) got DQed for using the kerbs at Hungaroring, now people are saying its OK to use the kerbs at this track. Make your mind up guys!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2013, 09:55:32 AM +0100 »

No doubt about it.

Need to keep two wheels on the track and the curb is not part of the track surface.

Thimple!
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2013, 10:01:43 AM +0100 »

Nice track, love it  Grin

1 question for Matt:

If the best driver will be at 2.10.xx per lap, shouldn't the race length be a bit shorter, say 19 laps ?


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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2013, 12:07:11 PM +0100 »

Hang on a minute, I (rightly) got DQed for using the kerbs at Hungaroring, now people are saying its OK to use the kerbs at this track. Make your mind up guys!  Roll Eyes

As Clive says, still got to keep two wheels on the track, I didn't mean all 4 off!  Kiss

@stig...is someone doing 2:10's then?! Though guess it wouldn't surprise me if the fastest guys crept into it.
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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2013, 12:29:38 PM +0100 »

This was one of my favourite GPL tracks but I not sure I can make the race. I will certainly not have much time to practice before Thursday evening, maybe a few laps tonight to determine which car I want to drive.

So please don't mess with car choice too much!

Thanks to all those who have posted times, that will help me narrow down choices.
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2013, 05:20:55 PM +0100 »

Goldtop has informed me that the race start is at 20:45 BST (not GMT), so I should be able to take part in the race on Thursday. I will have to work out how to drive one of those cars first though Wink
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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2013, 05:26:02 PM +0100 »

Matt's probably in Rochdale at the minute.  Think they stay on GMT all year.   Grin  

Certainly still use feet and inches.
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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2013, 05:48:36 PM +0100 »

A quick four lap test in the Alfa 1750 GTAm (50 per cent fuel load) netted a 2:13.37, so hopefully I should be reasonably competitive in the race. I don't particularly like the Porsches or Capris, and I can never seem to get any great pace out of the Escorts, so an Alfa will probably be my preferred drive. Keeping the car "within the rules" will probably be as tough a challenge as the race itself! There are so many blind crests with tight corners that we will need to know the track like the backs of our hands Smiley

I am looking forward to racing you again, Clive. It's been over two years! Shocked
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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2013, 05:51:02 PM +0100 »

Goldtop has informed me that the race start is at 20:45 BST (not GMT), so I should be able to take part in the race on Thursday. I will have to work out how to drive one of those cars first though Wink


Hi Mogget, good to see you over here. Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2013, 05:54:21 PM +0100 »

Hi, John. It will be nice to start competing in another P&G3 league. I may even get some tips for car/track combos for the WSL Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2013, 09:50:56 PM +0100 »

I thought that this would be the mighty Clermont-Ferrand I knew from GPL - what a disappointment to see, having downloaded the track, that it's the modern Micky Mouse version! I could probably get the hang of this just as I did with Hungary and Sebring, two tracks I didn't really like before racing there, but this week I don't really have the time. For the real Clermont-Ferrand, my drive home over the Snake Pass tonight might have counted as unofficial practice  whistling but for this track it will not have yielded any useful lessons.

This will certainly throw up some issues of cutting the track - it seems to be designed to be cut.

As to cars, I was very slow in the Porsche, did a similar pace to what others achieved in the Alfas and Escorts (low 2.13s) and was much quicker in the Capri (a low 2.11 with a major mistake in it, I will easily do 2.10 and quick people will go at least 1.5 seconds faster). All of this was on race fuel, hard tyres and no setup work except checking the gearing.
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