UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Monza - Apr 14

[Hristo Itchov]

Big apology to Clive. I was overly concerned about breaking hard and/or taking too tight an inside line because of people behind possibly going for the same space. Poor decision on my part and I'm sorry I ruined your chance of a race win. Likewise TOulieF2, I thought I had cleared you when I turned in but I was wrong, my fault I think.

However Natan, I thought you had more than enough space on your side of the track on the run down to curve grande, but sorry for the contact anyway.

Grats to the podium.

You're way too aggressive and taking too many chances so early in the race. I was more than glad when I went wide at CG and dropped behind the pack you led, then just watched as carnage ensued at Para. And TBH it's not the first time when I'm having a fright racing you in these series, you just drive like it's the last lap... and it's not.

[Ronniepeterson]

Big apology to Clive. I was overly concerned about breaking hard and/or taking too tight an inside line because of people behind possibly going for the same space. Poor decision on my part and I'm sorry I ruined your chance of a race win. Likewise TOulieF2, I thought I had cleared you when I turned in but I was wrong, my fault I think.

However Natan, I thought you had more than enough space on your side of the track on the run down to curve grande, but sorry for the contact anyway.

Grats to the podium.

You're way too aggressive and taking too many chances so early in the race. I was more than glad when I went wide at CG and dropped behind the pack you led, then just watched as carnage ensued at Para. And TBH it's not the first time when I'm having a fright racing you in these series, you just drive like it's the last lap... and it's not.

Your entitled to your opinion on my driving/aggressiveness Hristo but I don't agree at all.

Also, I know we have disagreed on this point in the past but apologising post race for contact with another driver, whether I feel at fault or not, is a natural reaction for me and I don't really care if you think its not sincere or a sign of guilt or weakness etc. Regarding racing together its rare that we meet. In this race and this season I don't recall any rash manoeuvres on my part where I have affected your race. If I am mistaken please accept my apologies.

For Clive in particular I'm gutted. We had a cracking battle in a practice server prior to this race and he was the last person I wanted to make contact with. The incident was on the first lap so will be moderated anyway. I can only hope for the leniency shown to the miscreants at the start of the infamous Watkins Glen race this season. If not I will take my medicine and move on.

[roguk]

Grats to Podium
Grats to Rainer on win

Yuk start for me back after break, could not qually kept getting disco then GPL locked up,got the backup drive out, quick install of track, squeesed back on server just in time for start, used default setup with longer 5th gear and was surprised how good the Lotus 48 was. Had a good start and was up to 3rd for a mo then spun going down Rettilino est, lucky car not damaged had some good racing then lap 7 sh-t steering started to play up and at Curva Sud went over the top shift r but steering useless end of race.
Great fun drafting with these cars hope we can do this track again.

[francesco]

My apoligy to Girard for the collision at the first Lesmo but with the incident of Reinier i did not have time to break to avoid the contact.After the mistake at lap 9, that involved also Bernie,(mysterious mistake ,seem that the brake was blocked or the box of the 2 cars entered in collision but not the car)I have problem probably with the fuel.I was so angry that without check if was a fuel problem i decide to retire.
Probably i forgot to load the race setup and i was started with the default that mean 10 laps.
I don't write to Badblood for the incident with Girard ;first becouse there is not yet the possibility,second because the first lap is controlled and there is nothing to say.
Anyway the battle with Reinier and Bernie was fun,is a shame that the race is finished so for me.

[il_lupo_mannaro]

At the start, I had no hope to win with the Lola FVA, and it was even worst after the 3rd turns (Lesmo) of the 1st lap : I was rear ended  (by Fabio's car ?) and made an impressive flight in the air before hitting the Protos of the poor Ed/Shunji
Ed's Protos engine exploded ...but my Lola was absolutly not affected (congrats Mr Eric Broadley to make such reliable cars !!)

in the meantime, Bernie had taken an advantage of 8 seconds ...but thanks to Fran Molteni' s slipstream we could easily re-join him.

During 6 or 7 laps we made a nice (and sometimes dangerous) race, Francesco-Bernie-me ...until Fran and Bernie had a side by side contact at the entry of the Parabolica.
So I could win this race, something looking not possible at the start, with my underpowered car !
...but it was my day. 

Yes, I didn't check the replay yet but I guess it was mine...

Apart of such a disaster I had a really boring race, too far from the one in front of me and too far from the one back.

See you on track

[ed76]

And I expected the replay to see who sent me in the Armco before the line at the end of 1st round ... I do not understand how he could think of to fall back on me at this point, he knew that I was there since he doubled me !
I wonder if he has his license on the road it must be very dangerous .

Bravo Mr Molteni !!

[Hristo Itchov]

Your entitled to your opinion on my driving/aggressiveness Hristo but I don't agree at all.

Also, I know we have disagreed on this point in the past but apologising post race for contact with another driver, whether I feel at fault or not, is a natural reaction for me and I don't really care if you think its not sincere or a sign of guilt or weakness etc. Regarding racing together its rare that we meet. In this race and this season I don't recall any rash manoeuvres on my part where I have affected your race. If I am mistaken please accept my apologies.

For Clive in particular I'm gutted. We had a cracking battle in a practice server prior to this race and he was the last person I wanted to make contact with. The incident was on the first lap so will be moderated anyway. I can only hope for the leniency shown to the miscreants at the start of the infamous Watkins Glen race this season. If not I will take my medicine and move on.

It's not just an opinion, you only have to see how many times you've been involved in early race incidents due to your aggressiveness, and how many times you had to apologize afterwards. An apology doesn't solve anything, it's the easy way out. Why not try to learn something instead and not repeat the same out of control driving next time? That way you won't have to apologize anymore. An apology doesn't fix someone's already ruined race.

Don't take it as an insult, I'm well aware it's not a deliberate thing, but perhaps you just get a bit too excited after the start (like some other people as well) and forget that you simply can't win a race in the opening laps, but there's a lot to lose. You say you haven't affected my race, but consider that it may have not happened simply  because I foresaw a possible contact and lifted up.

[Rainier]

Grats to Rainer on win

but with the incident of Reinier...
Anyway the battle with Reinier and Bernie was fun,is a shame that the race is finished so for me.

is it so difficult to write my nickname  ?


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[francesco]

is it so difficult to write my nickname  Cheesy ?

No but is similar to a German name,we have also a Reiner in Como and was also a pilot ace on macchi 202 during wwII,probably the son sold me the garage.I have bougth a garage years ago from a Reiner.
For this reason I make confusion.

Bravo Mr Molteni !!

Bravo for what?Not for the race!

[roguk]

Sorry for miss spelling Rainier   

[bernie]

I was about to give this race a miss due to my not feeling to good but I tried the practise server for a trial after thinking  it was 10k miles of Autostrada driving so not too taxing . Got a good start and found myself leading the pack into Curve Grande , then Lesmo , then next I recall thinking "where did everyone go " did a solo performance for about 6 circuits couldnt see anyone in the mirrors but prib was telling me the rest were behind and closing fast . after that we (Rainier Rog UK ? Francesco ) had a 3 way dog fight for a few laps which was pretty close action , going into Parabolica , Francesco ? took the inside line , me on the outside but for some reason Francesco decided at the last minute the outside was better , not sure what happened there but the outcome left Dave in an unassailable lead , I gave chase but without a tow partner I was never going to catch up , tried a bit too hard and paid for the mistake with a visit to the kitty litter which dropped me back to 3rd behind Rog ( I think ) .

Good racing while it lasted Grats to Dave on the win and all those who finished with a smile 

P.S. Hope Paul is feeling better , he took an early bath from the chatroom,  hope all is well with the world 

[Ronniepeterson]

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It's not just an opinion, you only have to see how many times you've been involved in early race incidents due to your aggressiveness, and how many times you had to apologize afterwards. An apology doesn't solve anything, it's the easy way out. Why not try to learn something instead and not repeat the same out of control driving next time? That way you won't have to apologize anymore. An apology doesn't fix someone's already ruined race.

Don't take it as an insult, I'm well aware it's not a deliberate thing, but perhaps you just get a bit too excited after the start (like some other people as well) and forget that you simply can't win a race in the opening laps, but there's a lot to lose. You say you haven't affected my race, but consider that it may have not happened simply  because I foresaw a possible contact and lifted up.
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Please list them? Do you really want to see who has shot off in the front of most races never to be seen gain this season?

You hardly if ever apologise H but that does not mean you do not cause problems for other drivers on a regular basis. Just because you or any other driver does not apologise does not mean you or they are involved in fewer incidents.

If other drivers have a problem with me I'm sure they will not hestate to let me know.

Plus I have enjoyed a couple of good wins lately in F2 and 67 so I'm quite happy with my driving of late.


 

[Hristo Itchov]

I certainly don't cause problems of the kind you do, Ronnie. My kind of accidents are usually those where someone brakes too early in front of me (like 30-50 meters earlier) or turns in while I'm on the inside. I do not push people to the grass or make suicidal moves into corners with high risk of going off, nor do I push people right to the edge of the track. I always lift up early on if I see someone is as hot-headed as you and would rather wait for a better moment to go through. Examples? Hockenheim from last season comes to mind. It was hairy going side by side with you every time back then, because you simply don't leave any room for error, you run that close. A single lag moment or a wobble by either you or the other driver, and it ends in tears.

[Ronniepeterson]

I don't recall the specifics of Hockenhein last season but your comments are noted Hristo. Hopefully I left you enough room on the banking at Monza10k in the last race. You are entitled to your views on my driving behaviour, but I certainly don't agree. Whether it is shared by others I don't know.

I'm not saying I have suffered any more than anyone else but we are all on the receiving end at sometime during a season often from those we least expect.  But I don't for one minute think that the other driver did it on purpose just as I hope they don't think I do it on purpose.

My attitude to the last race is no different to the next. Collisions/contact with other cars tends to slow me down and is to be avoided. It does not always work out that way and that's why I am happy we have the incident reporting system for those who feel aggrieved and the mods to rule and point us in the direction of better racing for all. And yes when involved, I do listen to what they have to say and try to learn any lessons.

Lets hope that should I be fortunate to cross paths with you again on track we both offer each other the due courtesy and respect to ensure safe but close racing. I wish you well regardless.

[Philippe Girard]

I got lucky on this one!
I'm third on the grid, but I miss my departure and I found 7th.
I drive fast enough to find myself in third position ... and on the last lap, bernie marks a stop and go and I snatched second place!
good evening for me dave congratulations and thank you to the organizers

No problem for the collision, francesco, this is a race...