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  • S2467F2 Monza: April 14, 2013
April 14, 2013, 09:42:39 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Hristo Itchov
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 7 +2.145
146.123mph
1 41:14.778
144.597mph
16 2:32.707
146.459mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 5 +1.714
146.536mph
2 +0.083
144.592mph
16 2:32.619
146.544mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 8 +2.430
145.852mph
3 +10.249
144.001mph
16 2:31.678
147.453mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 11 +3.087
145.230mph
4 +20.331
143.419mph
16 2:31.965
147.174mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 1 2:30.913
148.200mph
5 +30.507
142.836mph
16 2:31.859
147.277mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 4 +1.170
147.060mph
6 +42.759
142.141mph
16 2:30.712
148.398mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 14 +3.635
144.715mph
7 +42.794
142.139mph
16 2:32.022
147.119mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 15 +3.744
144.613mph
8 +53.911
141.514mph
16 2:32.662
146.503mph
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 9 +2.485
145.800mph
10 +1:03.760
140.965mph
16 2:32.266
146.884mph
Firestone  
Dean_0
 
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +2.053
146.211mph
11 +3L
142.733mph
13 2:33.218
145.971mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.749
147.468mph
12 +8L
143.114mph
8 2:33.428
145.771mph
Disco
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Matra MS7 GPL F2 13 +3.336
144.995mph
13 +13L
143.901mph
3 2:30.634
148.475mph
Disco
Dunlop  
s2173
 Team7
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 10 +3.024
145.289mph
14 +15L
138.155mph
1 2:40.936
138.971mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 16 +4.158
144.227mph
15 +0.289
137.909mph
1 2:38.800
140.840mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +1.031
147.195mph
16 DNS ---
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Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 17 17 ---
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Firestone  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 12 +3.109
145.209mph
Excluded +0L
141.508mph
16 2:32.280
146.870mph
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Forgot that the start grid is on the left half rather than the right of the track - so the red zone will be to the exit of Parabolica.


Server replay time: 0h01m22s

Ronnie gets a good run on Clive into the Lesmos & gets his car in front - as Clive turns in his front clips Ronnies rear. Ronnie had overlap BUT the leading driver is generally unsighted & the overtakling driver has a responsibility to make a clean pass & anticipate the relative effect of his breaking point. In view of the degree of overlap just a caution.


Server replay time: 0h24m50s

Natan takes a second Shift R. Only one reset is allowed in this series.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
2:30.913
148.200mph
EvilClive
Qualifying
Protos 16 (FVA)April 14, 2013, 09:42:39 PM +0100
S2467F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
2:30.634
148.475mph
fpolicardi
Race
Matra MS7April 14, 2013, 09:42:39 PM +0100
S2467F2
April 14, 2013, 09:42:51 PM +0100 - Monza (Full 10km) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 4 +0.875
144.759mph
1 41:40.295
143.168mph
16 2:33.557
145.696mph
Firestone  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +0.770
144.858mph
2 +14.252
142.356mph
16 2:34.197
145.091mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.632
144.987mph
3 +17.961
142.146mph
16 2:34.648
144.668mph
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 7 +1.778
143.919mph
4 (+2) +30.327
141.452mph
16 2:35.445
143.926mph
Goodyear  
ed76
 Team Coyote
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +0.990
144.652mph
5 +1:47.418
137.270mph
16 2:35.531
143.846mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 10 +2.676
143.092mph
6 +1:33.141
138.026mph
16 2:35.418
143.951mph
Firestone  
Boggy
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 11 +5.067
140.937mph
7 +1L
134.973mph
15 2:37.753
141.820mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 8 +1.850
143.852mph
9 (+2) +5L
141.854mph
11 2:33.556
145.696mph
Disco
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 13 10 +10L
140.818mph
6 2:33.918
145.354mph
Disco
Firestone  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 1 2:33.675
145.584mph
11 +16L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 6 +1.477
144.198mph
12 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 13 ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 12 14 ---
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Firestone  
tintin
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +2.203
143.526mph
Excluded +4L
136.898mph
12 2:33.703
145.557mph
Disco
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Forgot that the start grid is on the left half rather than the right of the track - so the red zone will be to the exit of Parabolica.


Server replay time: 0h01m22s

Rainier brakes slightly early on teh approach to the first Lesmo to allow room for Paul V on the inside & Fabio runs into the back of Rainier.


Server replay time: 0h01m25s

Phillipe slows a little to avoud the previous incident. Fran should have seen what was happening ahead but & runs into Phillipe.Normally it would be an additional place for Lap 1 but reduced because of the previous incident.


Server replay time: 0h03m29s

Fran passes Ed on the exit from the oval - he squeezes Ed into the Armco by moving back on the the racing line too early. Fran can\'t see where Ed is but should have shown more awareness - until you can see the car in your mirrors you are not clear. According to the server there is a minor warp intervention but contact would almost have certianly happened.Side by Side penalty for Fran.
Fran reported a later incident with Bernie - this one was affected by a warp contact.


Server replay time: 0h05m50s

Tin Tin avoids the previous incident with DC & Ed - he loses shape which allows Boggy to slip through. There is clear air between the cars & the contact is down to warp.


Server replay time: 0h05m56s

Dave Curtis clips the inside of the track & spins across the track collecting Ed.


Server replay time: 0h06m11s

Ed doesn't take a Stop & Go after his Reset until Lap 15.


Server replay time: 0h09m25s

D Curtis takes a swan dive off tbe banking & Resets. His respawn gives Boggy little chance to avoid contact. Pleas try & ensure tha the track is clear before you reset. In this case the layout of the track & the banking made this fairly difficult.


Server replay time: 0h19m47s

Tin Tin takes a second Reset - only one is allowed in this series.

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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2013, 10:21:34 PM +0100 »

Grats to Rainer on win

but with the incident of Reinier...
Anyway the battle with Reinier and Bernie was fun,is a shame that the race is finished so for me.

is it so difficult to write my nickname  Cheesy ?



Global warming for sure  Smiley

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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2013, 10:54:19 PM +0100 »

Hristo, Ronnie

You are both very fast competitive racers and I clashed wheels with both of you last season see Hristo incident and Ronnie incident.

I don't want to go over those incidents in detail again but we all need to learn from them.  Most of the classic mistakes  in GPL such as rear ending, ambitious overtakes and bad rejoining tend to be committed by inexperienced drivers.  There tends to be mitigating circumstances for incidents involving experienced drivers.  One of the biggest mitigating factors is the lack of visibility in GPL, another is warp, another is over zealous collision boxes yet another is limited bandwidth (not all cars visible at same time).  We need to enjoy the game within its limitations.

I think that is what is going on here is you are racing on the edge of what the game is capable of supporting.  There is no point arguing over the minutiae of an incident when the main factor is the limitation of the game itself.  Respect each other and respect the limitations of the game.

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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2013, 11:20:15 PM +0100 »

My point was more specific though. I was talking about racing aggressively early on in a race, especially running side by side with someone and attacking at every corner, instead of gradually building up the rhythm and confidence, and avoiding trouble as much as possible until the second part of the trace. It's just that you can't win a race in the early laps and while I may have been involved in incidents in opening laps, it was almost always due to someone going at MUCH lower speed than normal, rather than me being aggressive and taking risks.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2013, 03:55:12 PM +0100 »

Ronnie !
It was great fun to race with you !
Dono if it was my fault but if it was Im sorry about !!! Shocked
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2013, 04:30:53 PM +0100 »

Ronnie !
It was great fun to race with you !
Dono if it was my fault but if it was Im sorry about !!! Shocked

No problem Natan. I hope we use this track again soon!
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2013, 08:13:22 PM +0100 »

 well, bad race for me ....first of all, the Lola was a bad choice , I was not abble to take the slipstraem of the fast cars and 2ndly, too mutch lags, bigs lags where sudenly my car or the car beside me moove from 1 meter ( from one frame to the next one !,)on the side and it is the crash !!!.....I have few crashs ( 3 or 4 ) one shift-r on the banking ( not easy to restart from there ( thx to those who avoid me Wink.....    next one Iwill be not handicaped....héhé Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2013, 08:32:36 PM +0100 »

Was really looking forward to this race ,for 2 weeks ,anticipation built .

Sad  for me then that it turned into a Demolition Derby ,2 hits from the nether regions and both times i came to rest  on my lid :'(.

Good news was after the first one Mr. Logan helped me draft back up to p5-6 , hard to say which it was because a real cracking drafting battle ensued two abreast through lesmos and 3 abreast on the back straight were the highlights  Grin ,,then an off in the entrance to Para put me near Clive ,i think we had the same idea ?  Drafting back up to Dl ? but that came to tears in lesmos again .

About that incident for some unknown reason i had a problem on the entrance ,first time it's happened ,but i hit the wrong button for the downshift and while trying to slow the car in high gear and point the car in the right direction ,i'm sure it caught Clive out ,i seem to enter the turn rather wide and then at the apex i am going slower than normal, most likely because i had to direct my attention to see what the problem was  taz so all-in-all not totally his fault oops

Being that i was some 30 secs adrift of  the field now ,and having to make another stop/go i just quit ,maybe next time will be better Roll Eyes

Such a great track IMHO ,all mods should run here ,Yes even Can am !   Grin

See yaa next race
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« Reply #37 on: May 01, 2013, 11:29:37 PM +0100 »

I make a stop and go !
I can send you the replay !
but I 've not done at the end of the turn or I have been forced to make a shift r
The regulation says that we must make a stop and go , it does not specify that it must be done immediately






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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2013, 12:48:24 AM +0100 »

Ed - I will check this for you tomorrow.

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« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2013, 09:21:43 PM +0100 »

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Tin Tin avoids the previous incident with DC & Ed - he loses shape which allows Boggy to slip through. There is clear air between the cars & the contact is down to warp.

Boggy (Boggy Marshall) — Racing incident
Server replay time: 0h19m47s

Tin Tin takes a second Reset - only one is allowed in this series.

tintin (t tintin) — Second Shift R. — excluded

Sorry but  i do not agree at all with such extreme sanction and i ask "indulgency".  
My race (three consecutive ones were in same kind of conditions...) is already "ruined" by the Boggy's catapult and i thought in this case the shift R had not to take into account.  
Contrary some simracers can perform great consequences (loss of many points) without sanction...
Excuse me but the lack of care of my catapult-man is clearly the cause of the hit (boggy did not slow at all although he was seeing the scene of the accident btw ED and Dave Curtis). Do you encourage this kind of behavior??
So, I do not understand it is a fair moderation.      
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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2013, 10:04:29 PM +0100 »

I make a stop and go !
I can send you the replay !
but I 've not done at the end of the turn or I have been forced to make a shift r
The regulation says that we must make a stop and go , it does not specify that it must be done immediately

the rules say "A S&G must be taken within 2 laps of the Shift-R, and cannot be taken as part of a normal timed pit stop."

https://www.ukgpl.com/index.php/rules/sporting

did you take your s&g within this window?

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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2013, 10:35:45 PM +0100 »

I make a stop and go , but no but actually not fast enough because I did not remember that I only had two laps to do
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The rules says :
No Stop n Go = DQ
Incorrect Stop n Go = 30 seconds added


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Lap 2: 3m15.224s [Off the track]
Lap 3: 2m38.310s
Lap 4: 2m37.124s
Lap 5: 2m36.036s
Lap 6: 2m37.610s
Lap 7: 2m35.531s
Lap 8: 2m36.254s
Lap 9: 2m36.018s
Lap 10: 2m39.330s [Off the track]
Lap 11: 2m36.342s
Lap 12: 2m36.418s
Lap 13: 2m35.813s
Lap 14: 2m36.043s
Lap 15: 2m56.251s [Off the track]
Lap 16: 2m36.342s

Race results :
1   Dave RainierF2                    16  41m40.295s            
 2  Philippe GIRARD                   16  41m54.547s    14.252s
 3  Bernie67F2 darwin                 16  41m58.256s    17.961s
 4  Fabio F2 Locarno                  16  42m10.622s    30.327s
 5  Shunji Asunaru                    16  42m57.713s  1m17.418s

48 + 19 = 67s

I drove about 2 min 37s in average
in Lap 2 my car is destroyed by the landing of an IFO ( identified flying object :Dave rainier)
I have to make a difficult shift-R in the bank (complicated by passing cars, I lose 48s )
Lap 15 : stop and go, I lost 19s
So the 67s total, which cost me 3 places overall while I did not commit a fault .

Sebring I am considered the 3rd and therefore not entitled to a MS7 or Protos.

After the race at I learned that I was DQ at Monza because my "stop an go" has not been fast enough,I lost 28pts and so in fact that I was not 3rd before the race

... I lost many points as if I had caused more than a dozen accidents !
while I have caused harm to anyone and my "stop and go" late did not save me time .
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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2013, 09:19:11 AM +0100 »

... I lost many points as if I had caused more than a dozen accidents !
Good remark...incredible equilibrium of sanctions Roll Eyes
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« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2013, 09:31:46 AM +0100 »

the rules say "A S&G must be taken within 2 laps of the Shift-R, and cannot be taken as part of a normal timed pit stop."

I have just read this text :
The complete rules are :
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f 'No-fault' Shift-R rules are operating and a driver was forced to do a Shift-R through no fault of their own (for example being blatantly knocked off the track by another driver - please see the Penalty Guidelines for more details) they are exempt from having to make a S&G. A S&G must be taken within 2 laps of the Shift-R, and cannot be taken as part of a normal timed pit stop.

So , (i did not know it for my knocked off crash @ T1 by maddog @ silverstone where i did a SnG), ED you did not have to do SnG if you were not in fault (as i believe it). The moderation is perfectly not adequat. With little luck you will have an extra bonus point  Grin  
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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2013, 10:07:05 AM +0100 »

I have just read this text :
The complete rules are :
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f 'No-fault' Shift-R rules are operating and a driver was forced to do a Shift-R through no fault of their own (for example being blatantly knocked off the track by another driver - please see the Penalty Guidelines for more details) they are exempt from having to make a S&G. A S&G must be taken within 2 laps of the Shift-R, and cannot be taken as part of a normal timed pit stop.

Complete rules Huh Huh Huh I don't think so.

You seem to have left out the single letter I at the start of the rules  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

That would read IF would it not. Since No fault shift-r rules are NOT in operation you are obliged to take a shift-r whether at fault or not. Only one per race mind.
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