BadBlood
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« on: April 11, 2013, 01:33:29 PM +0100 » |
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THIS POST IS FOR THE LIGHT & HEAVY RACES Round VI of the Formula 2 Trophy will take place on the infamous Monza 10K circuit. It’s the traditional Monza track with a banked oval which had been used for Formula 1 until 1961. Much of the race will taken in top gear & there will be plenty of opportunity for drafting. The series will run on two separate grids ~ The Lights will run on T7 & the Heavys on UKGPL 3. Please ensure you join the correct race. The Driver list is shown below & the Championship Table can be found here F2 Trophy Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion. In the Lights Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Raoni & Magic Arsouille Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus. In the Heavys – Rog UK – Group II, Rainier & Jonny O – Group III. A maximum of one reset is allowed per race & must be followed by a compulsory Stop & Go in the pit lane. If you Reset on the last lap a 30 second time penalty will be awarded. Incidents should be reported in the usual way. In line with other divisions the races will be subject to full moderation in the red zone which will the first Lpa on the banked oval. The Moderator may chose to investigate any other incident, in addition to reported incidents & red zone incidents. Please note that for UKGPL has introduced a system of penalties within each series for drivers accumulating yellow cards – see the topic on Penalty Points here. Drivers incurring these penalties will receive a PM advising when a penalty has been applied & what race it should served. LIGHT | HEAVY | Arf Arf | Badblood | Cookie | Bernie | Evil Clive | Billy Nobtrakes | Fulvio | Bilto | Hristo | Dave Curtis | King Hiro | Geoff | Magic Arisoulle | Giovanni | Natan | Il Lupo | Phil Thornton | Jonny O | Bartosz | Nigel Smith | Raoni Frizzo | Paul Villers | Ronnie Peterson | Rainier | FMG | Boggy | Skymole | Francesco | Al Hellar | Pierre D | Doni Yourth | Vosblod | Dean Logan | Adam Cooper | Dean 0 | Ed76 | Robert John | Tin Tin | Uli | Du Fossa | | RogUK | | Maddog | Race List = IGOR Server = UKGPL3 & T7 Race date = Sunday 14-04-2013 Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT) Track = monza10k Race length = 16 Laps Variant = 1967 Formula 2 Damage Model = Intermediate Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes
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Rainier
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2013, 04:13:04 PM +0100 » |
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Handicaps will apply – please observe this rule as a failure to take the correct car will result in an exclusion. In the Lights Dean Logan – Group II (BT14, Ferrari or Cooper). Raoni & Magic Arsouille Group III – any of the Group II cars or either Lola or either Lotus. In the Heavys – Rog UK – Group II, Rainier & Jonny O – Group III.
Maybe we should wait for previous race' s moderation (Jarama for FII) before determining handicaps ??
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 11:36:23 PM +0100 » |
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We are still learning about the F2s. Last season we made a special case for a similar fast track, Hockenhiem, and allowed the Lotus 48 to be used by the championship leader. Perhaps the moderators could be persuaded to introduce a similar concession for this race.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 08:35:51 AM +0100 » |
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I had the option of the Lotus 48 at the Hockenheim race, and took it gratefully. It seemed to be just a notch down on pace requiring some serious thrashing to stay with the pack. The Cooper might have been an option, as I have found my lap times only slightly slower than the main pack. On a slipstreaming circuit and with some luck I could probably have collected some good points, although making any sort of pass would be pointless until the final corners on the final lap . But the BT14 and the Fez would have required a totally different race plan to get any sort of result. I would have had to set them up for slipstreaming and squeeze everything out of them to ensure that I was always behind a faster car on the straights by absolutely nailing the corners ( the only place where I might gain some ground). The only hope would be to hang on until the final lap and hope to gain places from retirements ahead and a banzai attack off the last corners? Monza 10k is a track where EVERY car is at the mercy of the slipstream, even the fastest cars will be unable to prevent a pass if the car behind is geared correctly. But the lack of power in the BT14 and Fez will mean that it is unlikely that they can even stay in the slipstream over such a long,flat out lap and they would certainly lose pace if they pulled out of the slipstream, making a pass impossible. I would support the option of the Lotus 48 for the handicapped drivers in this race.
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BadBlood
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 09:59:20 AM +0100 » |
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Bill is away for this one so the Mod is unavailable. I would add the Lotus 48 for Group II this race only and face his wrath when he comes back. In my defence I have to say I am just as quick in the BT14 and Fezza as in the others as they are just as good at driving through hedges, gravel, armco etc. which is where the majority of my lap is spent...
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Hristo Itchov
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 12:33:57 PM +0100 » |
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We are still learning about the F2s. Last season we made a special case for a similar fast track, Hockenhiem, and allowed the Lotus 48 to be used by the championship leader. Perhaps the moderators could be persuaded to introduce a similar concession for this race. I wish I saw that change on time... I used the Ferrari instead, lol... @Dean - at least you can actually take the Cooper and it's not bad AT ALL. It's not a winning car of course, but then again the point of handicap is to make it difficult for the championship leader to win. It can still get a top 3 with proper slipstream and safe driving.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 09:50:29 PM +0100 » |
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Hi, got a good praccy for a change, but once i realised I had qualified on race fuel with really tall gearing was then worried about not getting off the line well. just quicky lowered 1st gear and hoped. it helped and got away OK. big jump to 2nd though which i hope didnt cause anyone behind to many probs wanted to settle down but not really used to being a front runner So I was a little worried about all the cars around me all trying to win the race in the frist 2 or 3 corners . didnt get into too much trouble until having a spin trying hard not to run wide into other cars at the lesmos. thanks to all behind me who didnt run up my rear.. anyhow, got through that Ok until dropped out of another cars slipstream on the banking and took on a wobble that turned into a lurid slide and spin. took my shift R but was suprised when I obviously re appeared on the banking.. I really couldnt seem to get under way and thought i was only going to spoil anothers race so took another shift R and an early bath. hope all went OK for the ones left and i think it had the makings of a good race. first time ever at this track. i think Im going to like it if we race it again. heres to the next one. Paul V.
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2013, 09:57:46 PM +0100 » |
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I was running 6th when two cars ahead crashed at Para. I hit one of them and got flying and got a black screen. Game over Ciao
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2013, 09:58:12 PM +0100 » |
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Just after the qualification I was discoed.
Hope you had some fun...
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 10:39:39 PM +0100 » |
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At the start, I had no hope to win with the Lola FVA, and it was even worst after the 3rd turns (Lesmo) of the 1st lap : I was rear ended (by Fabio's car ?) and made an impressive flight in the air before hitting the Protos of the poor Ed/Shunji Ed's Protos engine exploded ...but my Lola was absolutly not affected (congrats Mr Eric Broadley to make such reliable cars !!) in the meantime, Bernie had taken an advantage of 8 seconds ...but thanks to Fran Molteni' s slipstream we could easily re-join him. During 6 or 7 laps we made a nice (and sometimes dangerous) race, Francesco-Bernie-me ...until Fran and Bernie had a side by side contact at the entry of the Parabolica. So I could win this race, something looking not possible at the start, with my underpowered car ! ...but it was my day.
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2013, 12:39:15 AM +0100 » |
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Sorry to Dean_0 for the bump into Lesmo2, and to everyone involved in the aftermath (Clive, Towlie, Phil, might be others but can't tell from my replay). And sorry to Al for the bump in qualifying.
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2013, 01:12:54 AM +0100 » |
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and made an impressive flight in the air before hitting the Protos of the poor Ed/Shunji Ed's Protos engine exploded ...but my Lola was absolutly not affected (congrats Mr Eric Broadley to make such reliable cars !!) yes, I had to make a shift-R in the bank but it is almost impossible especially as cars arrived, I found myself last. already earlier I was hit by another car accident. And I expected the replay to see who sent me in the Armco before the line at the end of 1st round ... I do not understand how he could think of to fall back on me at this point, he knew that I was there since he doubled me ! I wonder if he has his license on the road it must be very dangerous . So, it was not a race with a lot of fun for me ...all day had already been catastrophic (apartment flooded, PC down .... etc) ;
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2013, 11:18:45 AM +0100 » |
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And sorry to Al for the bump in qualifying.
No probs Dean. Me & Tom were attempting to line up a slipstream-share around the banking & were just about to start our Q lap when you hit me hence I was a tad exasperated at the time but I saw from the replay that it was completely accidental. It looked like you just touched the inside kerb on the banking & got launched sideways - I've done the same coming off that tricky final section onto the straight. As regards my race, well if you'd offered me 2nd behind Hristo before the race I'd have taken it, but I admit to being a tad disappointed at not taking my chance to nick the win... With such a huge slipstream here I was happy to sit at the back of the leading group during the early laps but the big pile-up at Para on lap 4 allowed me & H a chance to break away alone. With 3/4 of the race still to go, I knew squabbling over the lead would only slow us both down & allow the following group to quickly catch our tow, so I tried to drive in tandem with H so we could both extend a gap over the others. I guessed H knew what I was playing at - I tried to stay behind during corner-entry where I knew H would be quicker but I would pass on the long straights where the Matra had an edge over the Brabham then hand back the lead to H before we reached the corners. This tactic worked pretty well & by the closing laps we had eked out a sizeable lead over Doni in 3rd - just as well as H lost it out of Lesmo 2 & collected me in the process - by the time we got going again, our lead was cut down to just a few seconds. All that passing of Hristo on the straights had proved a useful rehearsal for the final lap & I'd worked out just where I needed to be on final run around the banking in order to try & steal the win but then as we entered Para for the final time, H buggered up my carefully-laid plan by running wide & going off into the gravel! I couldn't believe my luck so just floored it & made a dash for the line. In my mirrors it looked like H was miles behind, but sadly for me he'd managed to rejoin rather quicker than I'd imagined - and to make matters worse was now perfectly placed to use my slipstream to catapult his car ahead out of the final banked turn. With hindsight there were several other things I could've done, but it just looked like I was far enough ahead to make it. Bloody slipstream! Lost out by a tenth on the run to the line... congrats to Hristo on the win & to Doni on 3rd.
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2013, 03:52:48 PM +0100 » |
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Big apology to Clive. I was overly concerned about breaking hard and/or taking too tight an inside line because of people behind possibly going for the same space. Poor decision on my part and I'm sorry I ruined your chance of a race win. Likewise TOulieF2, I thought I had cleared you when I turned in but I was wrong, my fault I think.
However Natan, I thought you had more than enough space on your side of the track on the run down to curve grande, but sorry for the contact anyway.
Grats to the podium.
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