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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2013, 10:24:43 PM +0100 » |
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No brake test Maddog i only slightly stop to accelerate at maxi speed (maintained only at about 270 km/h since several seconds) in order to facilitate the overtaking and avoid any risk at the brake zone. I recognize it was a bad idea, seen the consequences. And what is the reason of the other hit ? Glad we are Ok on the first hit. I do come closer than some drivers when racing, so this makes a bigger problem when there is a surprise. Second hit was because I followed you to the pit entrance. You are my guide. I am faster because you show me where the entrance is. But you are suddenly very slow, and in the wrong place! My race is ended, but I give your car new life - it's not a very happy life . . . . sorry! So I was not angry - I was confused. You decide if we make work for the Moderators.
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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2013, 11:31:46 PM +0100 » |
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So I was not angry - I was confused. You decide if we make work for the Moderators.
Keep in mind, Tintin, that Maddog has friends among moderators... Rather eventful race for me, not in too good way... After so-so decent qualifying time it seemed that I could take the first place if I build a nice gap to second... but Cookie passed me at turn 1, lap 1, and there was no way to take the position back...he used the tactic of being fast as alien at the places where there were passing opportunities and slow as snail on the other places. In result, soon Dean catched us, and I started doing stupid things... First i almost rearended cookie at the hairpin, and Dean passed... then i tried to go deeper into last turn to get a faster exit at the straight, and span...already fifth, i tried to catch up, setting my fastest laptime... then I made an awful pass in turn 1, span and crashed into the guy i tried to pass... then the car was damaged, and I considered quitting, but pushed on. Suprisingly, on the next lap, on turn one again, I found Cookie and Florian having a nice tangle. I found myself back in second with Dean miles ahead and Cookie and Florian farther and farther behind despite my damaged car. And so it ended... Sorry about that awful pass, I think it might have been Bernie that was involved.
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 09:03:13 AM +0100 » |
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A bit out of topic, but it caught my eye - how come there are Works material drivers sandbagging here in Privateers? Drivers who in other divisions such as Pros or Lights are right there in the fight for top 5...
'The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part' Pierre De Coubertin whereas for some in GPL it is not the taking part but the winning. Hence the arrogant and aggressive attitude that we sometimes see demonstrated towards drivers of lesser ability.
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2013, 09:47:50 AM +0100 » |
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'The most important thing in the Olympic Games is not winning but taking part' Pierre De Coubertin whereas for some in GPL it is not the taking part but the winning. Hence the arrogant and aggressive attitude that we sometimes see demonstrated towards drivers of lesser ability.
Well, I'm just surprised some of the drivers here were even allowed to take part by the moderators, as they should know very well their level of ability. I thought divisions are not exactly without limits as to who may enter which division. As for winning and participation, I think both matter, but we're not the Olympics and that's why for fairness sake we have divisions for different levels of ability. Anyway, it's in my control, luckily for some.
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2013, 10:03:53 AM +0100 » |
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A bit out of topic, but it caught my eye - how come there are Works material drivers sandbagging here in Privateers? Drivers who in other divisions such as Pros or Lights are right there in the fight for top 5...
As I feel that this comment refers to me as well, I will explain it. At the start of the season I talked to my father about which league to join. He said because its the first season, lets start privateers, if it all works out fine we can still move up next season. And I said ok thats fine with me. Btw. I hadn´t touched the original 67 cars for years and this is no exaggeration. I mainly drove 65 and 69. I dont feel like it was a bad decision since the competition is good with drivers like Dean, Cookie, and Sky. Ofc not mentioning my father. He is plain bad. But in this dangerous straight line , Florian G. is arriving and it is a new hard contact. I think he didn't see me and cause the differential of speed it was a fatal shock. Sorry for you second place lost by that . Complaints: see with Maddog.
I am sorry for that TinTin. I checked Pribluda at the straight much longer than it was good for me. Didnt see anyone at the beginning of the straight and it took me totally by surprise. After an incident with Billy I totally f... up my race, couldnt get back into concentration and made not so many mistakes afterwards its not funny.
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2013, 10:12:34 AM +0100 » |
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Florian, if it was just you, since it's your first season, it would be fine. The problem (as I see it) though is that currently at least some 4-5 drivers who are Works material are racing here and robbing the chance of slower drivers (whom the division is meant to be for) to fight for victory. You can clearly see the gap in lap times. I don't know whether this is how the divisions should operate right now or not, but it wasn't like this in the past, just saying.
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2013, 11:57:48 AM +0100 » |
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I think I am another driver you are referring to... I am driving privateers as I am a real novice in 67s! I did never race them before last season, where I joined some events on tracks I liked. So this is my first full 67 season! If you look at the time differences to real works drivers e.g. for Kya -> 2-3 sec! I am still learning how to setup and drive a 67 F1. Maybe we need an Intermediate grid for 67s too!? To my race... Yes Sky, I was a snail in the twisty parts as my front tires were cooking with ~150° after 9 laps, so I had to be extra carefull I had 2 spins due to this and was lucky to gain 3rd.
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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2013, 02:30:05 PM +0100 » |
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aha - so anyone who qualified at Kyalami within say (picking a number from the air) 1.185 seconds of the pole time should be potentially dropped into the shark-fest of works? Sounds good to me! Just kidding chaps
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 02:49:59 PM +0100 » |
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Maybe we need an Intermediate grid for 67s too!?
I believe we need 3 grids for all divisions without handicap (or even with), yeah.
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 03:19:20 PM +0100 » |
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A bit out of topic, but it caught my eye - how come there are Works material drivers sandbagging here in Privateers? Drivers who in other divisions such as Pros or Lights are right there in the fight for top 5...
Yep. I said the same thing in the mid-season review. The top runners in Privateers are regularly fighting with me (and regularly beating me too) in mixed ability grids in other divisions, yet race in the second tier of 67's It doesn't make any sense to me & I'm afraid I don't buy this notion that it's an unfamiliar mod - in my experience quick drivers remain quick no matter what mod they race. This is borne out when you compare times between Privateers & Works; at most of the races this season the top Privateers guys are going quicker than me & the majority of other Works runners in qually times, race laptimes & average race lap... I don't think comparing headline times between the 2 divisions is all that relevant either - H, John Bradbury & Art can post some stunning times but if being slower than them is the yardstick for dropping down a division then Privateers will need a grid of 40 cars! That would be the problem for an intermediate grid - to my mind it's just a way to avoid the few super-quick drivers we have.
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2013, 03:40:23 PM +0100 » |
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Well, when the season started I was 50 times slower than I am now, mostly because I was in the process of changing my controller every 2 hours.... And you might notice I'm still doing terrible in all championships. Btw, half of the works drivers can beat my kyalami qualifuyng time by 2 or 3 seconds, and drive consistently at that speed at that... I will still move up next season, and hopefully till then I will be fast enough to not be last...
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The Red City, 43 Novctober 2173.
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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2013, 03:54:50 PM +0100 » |
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Btw, half of the works drivers can beat my kyalami qualifuyng time by 2 or 3 seconds, and drive consistently at that speed at that... I will still move up next season, and hopefully till then I will be fast enough to not be last...
Hmm not sure about that Sky - OK it was a couple of seasons since Works last raced at Kyalami but your time would still have put you 2nd (behind H)... https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9583#event2709. But I wasn't really including you in my comment really - you already tried to compete in Works for a season & struggled a little to find consistency, so I could see the logic in why you would go to Privateers. Especially while having controller issues.
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2013, 04:25:57 PM +0100 » |
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We all have really good excuses, don't we?
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Who is the living, loving city of people without faces? The elevator is screaming in his claws.
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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2013, 05:02:50 PM +0100 » |
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Maybe we need an Intermediate grid for 67s too!?
I believe we need 3 grids for all divisions without handicap (or even with), yeah. Veterans will recall that until a few years ago there were indeed 3 grids for the 67s which worked very well.. Sadly the numbers participating fell away and it was decided to reduce the grids to two to ensure a reasonable turnout on each grid. At present numbers are probably still only sufficient to support two grids but if more drivers could be recruited........well maybe.
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2013, 06:18:00 PM +0100 » |
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If we have to run 2 grids, then there should be stricter monitoring of who races where. I remember years ago when I was even banned from D1 2 races into the season because I won them in BRM. Compared to now it was just much stricter and that's why you see some genuine Privateer champions in the past season statistics, instead of fast drivers dropping down and having it easy. While speed and race craft/consistency is not the same thing, the grid separation should be based on potential rather than current overall ability, otherwise some hotlappers who tend to crash out in races would be allowed to race amongst slower drivers, which seems just wrong.
Of course drivers who improve rapidly during a season is fine. People who are still developing and who were slower at the start and then gain an advantage through improvement should be allowed to win the championship as they deserve.
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