UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Monza - Apr 14

[Hristo Itchov]

Complete rules I don't think so.

You seem to have left out the single letter I at the start of the rules 

That would read IF would it not. Since No fault shift-r rules are NOT in operation you are obliged to take a shift-r whether at fault or not. Only one per race mind.

Yes, it says "If 'No-fault' Shift-R rules are operating" and they currently aren't. We've dropped the use of that rule since it was too prone to bad judgement by those involved in accidents.

[tintin]

Complete rules I don't think so. You seem to have left out the single letter I at the start of the rules 

LOL Yes that's right !! 

[tintin]

it says "If 'No-fault' Shift-R rules are operating" and they currently aren't. We've dropped the use of that rule since it was too prone to bad judgement by those involved in accidents.

Perhaps , but even in this case the worst sanction is a time penality not an exclusion.
Happy to learn  the rule is changed. You said the rule is "dropped"  (reduced use) or "cancelled" ?

PS: I'm sure ED will be happy to know it would have been difficult to judge if he had a non negligible part of responsability for the 2 encountered problems during this race.

[maddog]

It's my guess an incorrect stop and go, would be a driver entering the pits, but failing to completely stop.   He's acknowledged the requirement, but continues to flaunt his unbending ways, rather than amending ways, to avoid further bending.

[Hristo Itchov]

By dropped I mean the rule was used in the past, but is not used this season. In other words, everyone has to make a stop/go after a Shift-R, regardless of whether they're at fault for the incident or not.

[BadBlood]

Guys,

I recently modified the Sporting Regs to make it crystal clear that No-Shift is not a get out.  (I added the 'If' clause). Their presence there was to lay out the procedure, not to give people a 'get-out'. We currently DO NOT operate them. We believed that was well understood.

An incorrect stop is one where the procedure is not followed. Taking a stop several laps late IS a contravention of the rules. It IS fair to say that we have not laid out the rules to be watertight but we would hope drivers would abide by the spirit of the rules. We will add text to the race post but it is a shame that it is necessary.

To be clear:

There are NO no-fault Shift-R. You MUST take a stop within 2 laps of the incident unless on the last lap (when a time penalty will be added in lieu). Failure to do so will result in exclusion.

The number of resets permitted in a race is detailed in the Series Details page and taking more than permitted will result in exclusion.

Since the rules were not clear up to this point, we will consider the circumstances and see if a time penalty is more appropriate in this instance only

[ed76]

That is not a question of clarity in the rules, I knew I had to make a stop and go as I did but I did not remember that I was only two laps to do. (I make several championship and the rules are never the same, I do not think the check before each race)
So I made ​​late.

So to simplify the problem I am withdrawing from the championship

[BadBlood]

No - it is fine Ed - it has highlighted an issue that we have.

See you at the next race hopefully!

[tintin]

time: 0h05m50s
Tin Tin avoids the previous incident with DC & Ed - he loses shape which allows Boggy to slip through.
There is clear air between the cars & the contact is down to warp.

Boggy (Boggy Marshall) — Racing incident

No sanction for an obvious lack of care with a major knocked off : Boggy ran flat out till the impact although he was seeing the scene of the accident btw ED and Dave Curtis. Do you encourage this kind of behavior?      

[tintin]

time: 0h05m50s
Tin Tin avoids the previous incident with DC & Ed - he loses shape which allows Boggy to slip through.
There is clear air between the cars & the contact is down to warp.

Boggy (Boggy Marshall) — Racing incident

No sanction for an obvious lack of care with a major knocked off : Boggy ran flat out till the impact although he was seeing the scene of the accident btw ED and Dave Curtis. Do you encourage this kind of behavior?      

OK that's clear

[Boggy]

Hi Tintin
Well I'm glad tha'ts cleared that up

Boggy

[Billy Nobrakes]

Mod report updated.
1/ Ed / Shunji's disqualification has been lifted. UKGPL rules require that a Stop & Go is taken within 2 laps of the Shift R. The moderator will check the drivers following laps - if you have not taken a SnG within two laps we will assume you have forgotten about it. As Ed is relatively new & may not be familiar with all the rules  I am reducing the Disqualification to an Incorrect Stop & Go with a 30 second time penalty.
2/ Tin Tin - Disqualification for two Resets. The rules for the Formula 2 series are quite clear & the decision stands. We do not allow a No Fault Shift R in this series. This can sometimes feel quite harsh (when you were not in any way at fault) but that's racing. Think of One Shift R as the same as Pro Rules but you get one extra life. I have reviewed the incident between Boggy & Tin Tin at 05m59s - there was no physical contact between cars & this has been declared as a warp contact / Racing Incident. Boggy could perhaps have taken a slightly wider line but I can't see that he should be penalised.