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May 03, 2013, 09:37:37 PM +0100 - Daytona (Road) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Extra Trophy (69X)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:46.949
128.242mph
1 49:24.902
124.899mph
27 1:48.329
126.608mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.689
127.421mph
2 +3.459
124.753mph
27 1:47.933
127.072mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +3.044
124.692mph
3 +1L
118.769mph
26 1:51.409
123.108mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +4.929
122.592mph
4 +8.450
118.436mph
26 1:50.558
124.055mph
Firestone  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.378
127.790mph
5 +18L
123.177mph
9 1:47.388
127.717mph
Disco
Firestone  
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McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 6 6 DNS ---
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Not much in the Red Zone. Jonny blows an engine off the line and Fran misjudges the pass as Jonny has started then halted. Fran knows he got this wrong but although he baulks Bernie there isn't much to say.

May 03, 2013, 09:39:23 PM +0100 - Daytona (Road) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Extra Trophy (69X)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 6 +1.032
131.480mph
1 47:32.651
129.808mph
27 1:44.149
131.683mph
Firestone  
MagicArsouille
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.114
132.648mph
2 +5.585
129.554mph
27 1:43.223
132.865mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.688
131.915mph
3 +5.666
129.551mph
27 1:43.782
132.149mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +1.789
130.533mph
4 +29.939
128.460mph
27 1:44.676
131.020mph
Dunlop  
Artiglietti
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 5 +0.801
131.772mph
5 +32.004
128.368mph
27 1:44.514
131.224mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 7 +1.102
131.392mph
6 +39.252
128.046mph
27 1:45.064
130.537mph
Firestone  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +0.756
131.829mph
7 +46.290
127.735mph
27 1:44.090
131.758mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:43.278
132.794mph
8 (+1) +46.566
127.723mph
27 1:44.907
130.732mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 10 +3.305
128.676mph
9 +1:12.055
126.610mph
27 1:45.440
130.071mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 12 +4.568
127.169mph
10 +1L
124.885mph
26 1:46.597
128.659mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 11 +3.894
127.969mph
11 +26.270
123.746mph
26 1:47.435
127.656mph
Dunlop  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 8 +1.249
131.207mph
12 +9L
109.069mph
18 1:46.229
129.105mph
Disco
Firestone  
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McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 13 13 DNS ---
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Moderator's Report

Not too much action in the Red Zone


Server replay time: 0

Marco sees Art spinning on the banking ahead and drifts wide to avoid him. Sadly Andreas is already there and Marco was unaware of him. He should have slowed as well as moving wide. Phil is caught up in the carnage.


Server replay time: 0h06m38s

Dean slightly misjudges the braking point of Piero ahead and rear ends him

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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1969
1:43.278
132.794mph
DLogan
Qualifying
Matra MS80 (DFV)May 03, 2013, 09:39:23 PM +0100
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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1969
1:43.223
132.865mph
MagicArsouille
Race
Matra MS80 (DFV)May 03, 2013, 09:39:23 PM +0100
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« on: April 26, 2013, 11:48:33 AM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 24 Extra Trophy (69X)
Race 7 Daytona

Welcome to the seventh round of the Extra Trophy for 69 Extra chassis. Daytona. 1967 road course. Looks easy, mostly is. Daytona is a circuit that would seem to favour the more powerful cars with that loooong straight section, but surprisingly the more agile cars can make up a load of time through the twisty infield section. Plenty of drafting available!

The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the whole of the first lap.

Please check the Season 24 pages for details regarding rules and the Extra Trophy pages in particular.

It is very important that drivers are FULLY familiar with the rules relating to Shift-R. ONLY ONE IS ALLOWED and a Shift-R MUST be followed by a Stop-and-Go or the driver will be excluded.

If two servers are required they will be as below but if only one grid is required, we will race on T7.

Race listiGOR
LIGHT ServerUKGPL_T7_2
IP address62.149.202.168
HEAVY ServerUKGPL3
IP addressping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Date03-05-2013
Race timeRace starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying timeBetween 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
TrackDaytona Speedway (dayto24h)
Mod69X
Damage modelINT
Race length27 laps
ReplayAvailable here


Reserve drivers please note; you must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 10 minutes, to allow full timers to join. FULL TIME DRIVERS GET PRIORITY.

Heavy and Light drivers will drive on separate servers. Please ensure that you know which class you are and that you join the right server

LIGHTS on UKGPL_T7_2; HEAVY on UKGPL3

The Light and Heavy Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 06:02:28 PM +0100 »

T7 server is set for 27 laps Long race and listening on Igor in Consolle session.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 07:55:34 PM +0100 »

Hmmm ! track doesn't want to download for some reason  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 08:04:21 PM +0100 »

Got it ! ta for all your help  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 09:47:44 PM +0100 »

BLAST! Got home at 9:35 - hope it was fun...
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 10:41:53 PM +0100 »

incident at the start with Johnny.I don't know why Johnny was immobilized at the green flag.
The mod can judge,i don't send incident report.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 10:54:26 PM +0100 »

All in all pleased with 6 th concidering I should have smashed my car on lap one but was lucky. I thought there was one more straight eek hang woooheeee bam bam, Still hole. Then later I was behind ronnnie and AA and I found myself on AA s tail after the speedsection. I braked earlier than usual but AA really braked early. looked some rpy laps and he did brake early a lot there , but this time was even earlier than usual. Maybe missed brakepoint while checking mirrors I don t know but I had to throw the car out not to hit . After that I never really regained full contact and finished 6 th. Gz winner (atm I forgot who)
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 11:16:44 PM +0100 »

Well, my turn to apologize for the usual L1 carnage, I made the classic mistake to put a wheel off the bank, which made me spin as per the textbook    Sad Apologies to the guys involved in the accident, they were all very successful in avoiding me, not so much in avoiding each other, sorry chaps, it was a genuine mistake.

Apart from that, not my greatest showing, but I had company all the way through thanks to Ronnie. Quite fun I have to say, as, although the track must be the ugliest I have driven in GPL, passing safely requires to gauge the timing well, since the bankings are not that easy to go round side by side. Pity I obliged twice after completing the pass through rather clumsy mistakes, especially considering I had so little wing Ronnie couldn't keep up on the straights even sitting in my tow  Grin. It was good racing though, grats for pulling it off RP. Also grats to Clive and podium.

@Tom, I saw that mate, I think if you check some more laps you will see I was braking a lot earlier when following closely another car, as I didn't really know how much quicker I was getting there because of the tow. Admittedly, it was invariably too early, but it is so easy to fly off the road in that corner...sorry it caught you out.
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« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 12:27:53 AM +0100 »


@Tom, I saw that mate, I think if you check some more laps you will see I was braking a lot earlier when following closely another car, as I didn't really know how much quicker I was getting there because of the tow. Admittedly, it was invariably too early, but it is so easy to fly off the road in that corner...sorry it caught you out.
Yes I checked and your right you did brake very early other times when behind Ronnie and thats a good thing. I am an early braker but with my 8 12 wings (I suspect you had half of that or at least less rearwing) and some numbers from wizzard John Roberts I got a very stable car. I noticed your car was more a handful to handle than mine. I had similar problems when trying out low wing settings but tuned them up much  because of that exit from the speedsection. I was afraid I would be smashed from behind with too little wings that required earlier careful braking.Ironic that my nice stable car became my reason for going out in that specific turn. different wingsettings is a faxctor to be reconed with in the "wingraces" and I don t hold it against you. but right there and then I felt WTH that was early!
Anyway nice that you still are around I thought you were leaving. Cya next race.
EDIT: Why didn t you wait with attacking Ronnie until just before finish?Wink  I have some experience fom oval races in indycar during the ninetees ...
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 03:57:23 AM +0100 »

 Bravo Phill!!!!!  clap
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 07:20:59 AM +0100 »

my second victory on a fast track, like Monza.
I like the mod 69, especially on speed tracks.
I go on pole, and I'm head all the time, this is the first time for me.
Dave was very dangerous, he put pressure on me, but I have resisted.
It was intense from start to finish.

Jonny, what's happened to you Huh

thank you to the organizers and congratulations to all
go to Bridgehampton (this is a "slow track" ...) so the victory will not be for me, lol
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 08:09:25 AM +0100 »

Apart from that, not my greatest showing, but I had company all the way through thanks to Ronnie. Quite fun I have to say, as, although the track must be the ugliest I have driven in GPL, passing safely requires to gauge the timing well, since the bankings are not that easy to go round side by side. Pity I obliged twice after completing the pass through rather clumsy mistakes, especially considering I had so little wing Ronnie couldn't keep up on the straights even sitting in my tow  Grin.

Yeah thanks AA, that could have been a lonely race otherwise. I thought it was hilarious the way I would get in your slipstream and proceed to go almost backwards laugh laugh. I was just grateful I had a a ton of wing to give me a decent car under braking which kept it interesting. Good fun.

Grats again to Clive, Tristan and Axel. See you all at the next round.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 08:32:36 AM +0100 »

@ Tom, yes I guess 10 days were enough to heal my broken heart for not having been able to race at solitude.. Grin That and some of the latest moderating work I suppose..

As for the race...I had 2.75 for both wings..I usually run with a lot of wing, as the laptimes are quicker in that configuration, and the cars way more fun to drive. However, this way I found myself too many times trapped behind people who were dead slow in the bends, desperately early on the brakes, but untouchable on the straights. So, I went full attack for this one, as the laptimes are still good given the endless flatout section and the fact the bends are practically all slow hairpins (my pb on Thursday night was mid 43s, with a lot of time to find). The problem I had was that in order to be quick in the corners I really had to harass the car and keep the revs so high that the engine wouldn't have lasted the race. I am sure it can be done, but it would have needed some more practice. As for Ronnie's pass, he would have never been able to repass me on the straights, as he said, he was losing ground in the tow, which was bizarre to see  Grin. So I just needed to drive home really, I simply went wide at the last corner all by myself, and there was only one lap to go so no time to recover... Roll Eyes.

Agreed that this mod has a very particular strategic element in it. That's one of the reasons it is so fun, pity races end up in a crashfest so often. Also, I am not really sure why we keep racing cars with wings on tracks that require you to remove them...anyway, see you at the next one. 
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2013, 09:40:20 AM +0100 »

Also, I am not really sure why we keep racing cars with wings on tracks that require you to remove them...anyway, see you at the next one. 

The main issue this season, choice of tracks.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2013, 10:34:20 AM +0100 »

Interesting discussion about wings here and the various benefits. I am sat here loafing on Saturday morning...so here are my thoughts about the race and setups.  Wink

For this race I was split between the "obvious" Matra for the speed sections and the sweet handling Brabham. But with just 30 mins to go before qually began, I tried the Mclaren...just for something different I suppose, and found it had possibilities.

Initially I worked on the race setup through qually and although my lap times were respectable with full tanks, I was slipping down the grid. Experience of other races around Daytona has taught me that any incident will usually involve several of the following cars, especially into T1 with the heavy braking zone. So being near the front in the early laps is probably safer if you can be there. I realised that I had to break my normal practice of qualifying on race fuel and go for a true qually run and the best I managed got me up to 5th, but I could not find a convenient tow truck, so it would have to do.

I had 4 matras in front of me on the grid and some pretty quick drivers in each of them!! It was vital that I stayed with them in the early laps and took advantage of that lovely slipstream Wink
I had gone for a compromise setup for the Mclaren with 5.5F and 8.5R wing settings and a high 5th gear to protect the engine in the slipstream. This gave me some very predictable handling around the infield and  respectable speed on the banking. I was unsure if I had actually used too much wing because I had not been able to really test my top speed in the slipstream behind a fast Matra in qually. So the first laps would show me if I was wise or foolish Roll Eyes.
The start was OK and I held the inside line around the all important T1, sweating about being collected by someone from behind. The infield section gave me confidence as I easily stayed with the Matras through the twisty bits and we exited on to the banking for the first time. Although I lost a little ground ( I was too far back to get the full tow) I closed up easily under braking at T1.............. ;)That was a huge relief!!

Lap 2 ( I think) and two cars tangled (Ronnie and AA?) on the banking. As they discovered the lack of stability with low wing settings. Incidentally I found that raising the ride height slightly stopped the car bottoming out around the banking and made it much more compliant.
That left me behind Axel's Matra with Tristan setting a cracking pace in the lead. Tris steadily pulled away and I tucked in behind Axel hoping that he would pull us clear of the chasing pack. I reckoned that we needed at least 250mtrs to get clear of the slipstream and prevent cars drafting up behind us, so I did not challenge Axel and let him pull us clear.
During this phase I was pleased to find that if I was correctly placed behind the Matra as we entered the banking, my high 5th gear gave me some potential for a pass as we approached the S/F line......maybe useful info for the final laps Wink. Each time I backed off and allowed Axel to continue to lead us around and extend our safety cushion.
Then with about 12 laps to go? Tris was suddenly just ahead again..looked like he had gone off and was recovering, so it was a 3 way fight again. A lap later it seems that Tris was making a SnG and that let Axel and myself into 1st/2nd.
With 8 laps to go and a reasonable gap back to a recovering Tris ( who now had full tanks of fuel) I decided to apply some pressure to Axel as I had given him a hassle free race until then  Grin. and I thought he ought to have something to think about for the final laps. Roll Eyes
I used the slipstream again to get right under his wing approaching T1 and might have distracted him enough to cause him to go wide. I was through and knew I had half a lap before the banking, and the advantage of my extra wing, to ensure that I had a defendable gap when we got to the fast bit....so I blitzed that section and arrived on the banking with 300mtrs lead....phew!!! Now it was a case of making sure that I had the same gap for the last 6 laps each time I started the fast bit, which meant nailing the infield section without mistakes. This was where I was glad I had given myself the extra wing angles as it made the car very sure footed.

I think I maintained the "safe gap" until the flag and was quite chuffed to have taken on the Matras on a speed circuit in a slower car and stolen the win.
Grats to Axel for the tow  thumbup2 and to Tris for some stunning pace as he pulled away.
Bridgehampton will be a different challenge which will probably need slightly more wing???  lol.

Back to the debate about wings. My thoughts are always that I need a car that is comfortable and predictable first, which usually means I can drive it at 100% if I need to, without getting bitten in the a** by a sudden snap.
 For the 69's I tend to setup the handling WITHOUT wings first...looking for mechanical grip ( if there is such a thing!!). A few laps will set a benchmark time for a wing free car.. Then I make a guess about the max wing angles that a circuit might need and do a few more laps, adjusting the balance of wing angles front/rear to preserve the handling balance. Once I feel I have the ratio front/rear of wing angle about right to dial out under/oversteer and give plenty of traction out of the turns, I then save that setup so that I can go back to that baseline if I need to.

 I save a second setup where I knock a couple of degrees off both front and rear wings to see if it gains me anything on overall laptimes..especailly at somewhere like Daytona where there are long fast sections. I am not concerned with the max top speed ( although that will help make a pass) but with outright lap times as this will dictate overall race time and position. During each phase I tweak gears to ensure that I am using all of that lovely torque without over revving the engine. Unless I have made some really bizarre guesses en route, I normally have a car that goes well and is driveable.
This method might help some get a handle on the setup of these beasts or it might confuse things even more. I guess everyone has their own methods of achieving their setup but of all the mods I think the 69's repay a methodical setup handsomely because of the extra grip/drag factor of the wings and how they relate to each circuit.
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