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  • S2467F2 Mosport: May 26, 2013
May 26, 2013, 09:36:53 PM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.334
106.897mph
1 39:07.232
105.574mph
28 1:23.149
106.438mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 3 +0.840
106.248mph
2 +9.023
105.169mph
28 1:23.084
106.521mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 6 +1.150
105.854mph
3 +27.562
104.348mph
28 1:24.052
105.295mph
Goodyear  
Hristo Itchov
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 1 1:22.458
107.330mph
4 +32.333
104.139mph
28 1:22.292
107.547mph
Dunlop  
robert john
 
McLaren M4A GPL F2 14 +2.087
104.681mph
5 +33.602
104.084mph
28 1:23.371
106.155mph
Goodyear  
Dean_0
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +1.072
105.953mph
6 +39.336
103.834mph
28 1:23.188
106.388mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 8 +1.560
105.337mph
7 +53.231
103.233mph
28 1:23.314
106.227mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 7 +1.414
105.521mph
8 +1:01.491
102.879mph
28 1:23.970
105.397mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +1.573
105.321mph
9 +1:03.710
102.784mph
28 1:24.045
105.303mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 12 +1.873
104.946mph
10 +1:13.913
102.351mph
28 1:23.759
105.663mph
Dunlop  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Matra MS7 GPL F2 13 +2.069
104.703mph
11 +2L
94.964mph
26 1:23.824
105.581mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 10 +1.670
105.199mph
12 +6L
102.082mph
22 1:23.917
105.464mph
Disco
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
Lotus 48 GPL F2 4 +1.010
106.031mph
13 +11L
101.383mph
17 1:23.814
105.594mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 11 +1.770
105.075mph
14 +15L
103.123mph
13 1:24.243
105.056mph
Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 15 15 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Red zone was clear - but it all gets messy after that. There were a tight calls here & these have been looked at by other moderators to ensure a fair outcome.


Server replay time: 0h02m06s

The server loses Al & Arf & finds them again on the same spot of tarmac.


Server replay time: 0h07m10s

Hristo rejoin on the entry to Moss. this was a rather high risk as H crosses the tarmac onto the opposite verge with cars approaching. Natan & Dean show good reactions to avoid Hristo. In these circumstance you should wait for a gap in traffic.


Server replay time: 0h12m11s

Hristo is us pursuing Dean 0 through T3. Hristo attacks the inside but brakes to avoid contact. Dean's car clips the kerb & Hristo can avoid hitting him. Whilst Hristo's car was very close to Dean there is no evidence of either direct or warp contact.


Server replay time: 0h12m53s

Ronnie passes Hristo recovering from the previous. He keeps to the left & there is a partial gap to the outside, although it does not look like a feasible opportunity to overtake. Hristo has part overlap but Ronnie squeezes the gap & they crash. Ronnie was entitled to his line but with a following car in close attendance moving across the track was asking for trouble. Hristo could have been a little more patient.


Server replay time: 0h13m03s

Ronnie's rejoins after the incident - he keeps tight to the left & all the following cars which got caught up in this really should have taken greater notice of the waved yellow flags. Ronnie did not noticeably pause to check the track was clear. The corner obscured the following cars from view but more care could have been taken.
The following driver's are technically due a caution for failing to abide by yellow flags - but this report is long enough already.


Server replay time: 0h20m29s

Axel is caught by Dean in the corner at the end of the long straight. Dean has virtually 100% overlap & Cookie turns into him. Dean would have been in Cookie's blindspot & it is a very fine margin when looking at fault. The guidance
is "you must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before a corner's turn-in point to have the right for room to be left for you by the ahead driver. Substantial overlap means at least that the front of your car is up to say the driver's position in the ahead car - and that's at the very least. You probably should have more in many circumstances. The ahead driver has ever right to be fully committed to the racing line of his choice without any interference if there was no overlap before he turned in". In this case Dean did just have sufficient overlap. In his report he asked for no penalty to be awarded.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:22.458
107.356mph
Hristo Itchov
Qualifying
Cooper T84May 26, 2013, 09:36:53 PM +0100
S2467F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:22.292
107.557mph
Hristo Itchov
Race
Cooper T84May 26, 2013, 09:36:53 PM +0100
S2467F2
May 26, 2013, 09:37:14 PM +0100 - Mosport - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T84 GPL F2 2 +0.098
104.352mph
1 40:08.421
102.902mph
28 1:25.067
104.049mph
Dunlop  
ed76
 Team Coyote
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:24.722
104.472mph
2 +23.377
101.913mph
28 1:25.779
103.185mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 3 +0.209
104.215mph
3 +26.898
101.765mph
28 1:25.828
103.126mph
Firestone  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 4 +0.388
103.996mph
4 +27.604
101.736mph
28 1:25.222
103.859mph
Goodyear  
tintin
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +0.925
103.344mph
5 +28.158
101.713mph
28 1:25.560
103.449mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +0.478
103.886mph
6 +28.551
101.696mph
28 1:24.379
104.897mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 6 +0.655
103.671mph
7 (+5) +59.550
100.419mph
28 1:25.284
103.784mph
Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 11 8 +4L
101.479mph
24 1:25.047
104.073mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 8 +3.931
99.840mph
9 +18L
97.656mph
10 1:26.952
101.793mph
accident
Dunlop  
Boggy
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +57.142
62.391mph
10 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 10 11 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Red zone is clear - although Badblood has a comedy moment through Moss.


Server replay time: 0h29m41s

Fran runs off track & is very careless on the rejoin. Tin Tin only avoids Fran by spinning off track. Billy is closing at normal speed & takes the inside line. There is contact between Fran & Billy. Fran really should have kept to the outside but I will deal with this as one incident.
NOTE - as is usual incidents involving the moderator are decided by an independent moderator.

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« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2013, 05:46:00 PM +0100 »

I reported both, don't worry. Your arrogance and ignorance are incredible if you still believe you did nothing wrong in that situation.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2013, 06:16:29 PM +0100 »

What you did to me was exactly what Chilton did to Maldonado in the Monaco GP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUd83lpZa2Q
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« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2013, 08:41:00 PM +0100 »

Congrats to Tristan, Evil, and Natan    

Some laps with Dean-O and Martin on Sat night and a quick run on the practice server had me feeling pretty good about the handling of the Mclaren. Considering my absence from the majority of the season I decided not to try a hot lap in qualifying. I was behind Fulvio and Axel on lap 2 and managed to get it wrong and half spin in the dirt. Ronnie came along and hit me just right to straighten the car out. A lap or two later Axel ticked the curb at 5a and I swung wide to avoid his car. Ronnie was closer than I thought and when I rejoined @Moss we clashed wheels a bit. Luckily no damage to either and I set off after RP and Axel. Their pace was good and my plan of leaving some space to the car ahead was made easier.    Wink   Things became very interesting when Dean-O and Hristo re-joined the track and the results left me with a nice gap behind. Now I had Dean-O pressuring Axel ahead of me and my telepathy paid off when they touched @turn 8. With some clean air ahead I upped my pace a bit in hopes of catching Natan. My concentration was quickly averted to a new and unwanted threat out of nowhere. Who is this in the green car behind? The next lap my pitboard gives me the news that it's indeed Hristo. My efforts to go faster were in vain and only led to erratic driving. It didn't take long for H to disappear and my only concern was to keep the position I was in. I tried to set a clean lap towards the end and on the last lap I can see a car going slower ahead. Turns out to be H sputtering home in the Cooper. One litre of fuel was all that hindered my quest of beating Hristo fair and square in a race before I croak.    Grin Grin

Thanks for the race gentlemen.

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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2013, 09:37:06 PM +0100 »

I tried to set a clean lap towards the end and on the last lap I can see a car going slower ahead. Turns out to be H sputtering home in the Cooper. One litre of fuel was all that hindered my quest of beating Hristo fair and square in a race before I croak.    Grin Grin

I didn't realize you finished so close behind! I guess I was very lucky!  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2013, 11:21:20 PM +0100 »

First :

Grats to the leaders :

My race started badly as N. Vix got the jump on me at the start ,that lead to a multi lap battle for me ,which was fun  Grin

Later on i found myself behind Cookie,after struggling to find a place for a pass for many laps ,we came together at the entry to the fast right hander ,Sry about that one , i thought you knew i had made a move for the inside ? i dunno.

Luckily no reset's were taken in all the mayhem  Cheesy

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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2013, 11:02:58 PM +0100 »



I guess congrats to JonnyO  for scoring 11 points in the Lights & 17 points in the heavy event,  despite not taking the start... Smiley

[Unlucky Billy - looks like you miss out by a couple of points come the end of the season!]


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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2013, 11:34:49 PM +0100 »

Corected that one Dave... Wink
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2013, 11:44:56 PM +0100 »

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2013, 12:35:47 PM +0100 »

Moderation published.

Thanks for the mod Billy and your appreciation and understanding of what a yellow flag means. Hopefully others, who can count themselves lucky for not being penalised, will be less quick to condemn others in future.
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2013, 01:01:41 PM +0100 »

Appalling driving from some people in the mid-field, especially Ronnie. It just reinforces my view that he is simply unable to race other people in a constructive manner.
Gotta disagree with that. Wink

Your arrogance and ignorance are incredible...
I laughed so much some wee came out angel
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2013, 01:11:31 PM +0100 »

Moderation published.

Thanks for the mod Billy and your appreciation and understanding of what a yellow flag means. Hopefully others, who can count themselves lucky for not being penalised, will be less quick to condemn others in future.

LOL, you should count yourself lucky for not being penalized. You caused a mass incident with your ridiculous rejoin in a blind spot on the ideal line. I rejoined outside the ideal line and didn't cause any problems. I find it rather odd that we're both getting the same verdict though, but whatever.

Appalling driving from some people in the mid-field, especially Ronnie. It just reinforces my view that he is simply unable to race other people in a constructive manner.
Gotta disagree with that. Wink

Your arrogance and ignorance are incredible...
I laughed so much some wee came out angel


You're free to disagree and laugh, but until you point out how the driving was not appalling, it doesn't mean anything.
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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2013, 01:26:25 PM +0100 »

You’re right as always H. I disagree with your generalised “view” of a drivers ability, whom I have shared many a good race, based on the one incident and the onus is on me to “point out” why your "view" is erroneous.

You should read Law, as that is exactly how it’s done. A claim does not need to be proven it is of course for the respondent to prove the opposite.

UKGPL would be so boring with out you  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2013, 01:28:48 PM +0100 »

You’re right as always H. I disagree with your generalised “view” of a drivers ability, whom I have shared many a good race, based on the one incident and the onus is on me to “point out” why your "view" is erroneous.

You should read Law, as that is exactly how it’s done. A claim does not need to be proven it is of course for the respondent to prove the opposite.

UKGPL would be so boring with out you  Grin

It's not exactly a generalized view. It's a continuous experience with the same driver, whom I have shared and/or witnessed mostly dangerous situations and needless accidents. When it keeps on happening over and over again, it just pokes you in the eye.
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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2013, 02:08:31 PM +0100 »

You take it all far too seriously mate. Rather than taking a win as a positive you take not winning as a failure, as a negative. Think of some of these poor buggers who don’t win from one season to the next. I make as many mistakes and crash as much as anyone else and almost always because of (but necessarily the fault of) someone else and who cares, I ranted once and later apologised, you rant every time you don’t win. This is, after all, a game meant for fun. Some of your post are not a debate but are borderline abuse. Maybe a break will do you and your blood pressure some good. cursing

Chill mate Grin
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2013, 02:36:32 PM +0100 »

You take it all far too seriously mate. Rather than taking a win as a positive you take not winning as a failure, as a negative. Think of some of these poor buggers who don’t win from one season to the next. I make as many mistakes and crash as much as anyone else and almost always because of (but necessarily the fault of) someone else and who cares, I ranted once and later apologised, you rant every time you don’t win. This is, after all, a game meant for fun. Some of your post are not a debate but are borderline abuse. Maybe a break will do you and your blood pressure some good. cursing

Chill mate Grin


It's not about winning or losing. It's about respect on the track. When someone does things where he puts others in a situation that they either move out of the way or an accident happens, that's rather disrespectful and it ruins the fun. I'm not talking about the odd mistake now and then, everyone has those. I'm talking about one's principles when racing against others. Whether it's intentional or not, I can't say, but the outcome is obvious every time.
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