UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Formula 2 Trophy - Mosport - May 26

[garethhall]

Our very presents here means we are not professional drivers. No one has an accident on purpose, nor is it personal, it's iffy judgement which does happen all too often. We all have, and are subject to, a Grosjean moment. The winner is he who has less and deals with others better. It is one of the measures, its not all lap time. If you are being subject to others brain fade more than anyone else, then the lowest common denominator is you.

[Hristo Itchov]

Our very presents here means we are not professional drivers. No one has an accident on purpose, nor is it personal, it's iffy judgement which does happen all too often. We all have, and are subject to, a Grosjean moment. The winner is he who has less and deals with others better. It is one of the measures, its not all lap time. If you are being subject to others brain fade more than anyone else, then the lowest common denominator is you.

You still don't get it. I didn't say I'm involved in more incidents than anyone else. I'm being a witness of incidents most of the time and many of those incidents almost always involve the same subjects. And if you were to watch those situations, it just becomes clear the incidents are usually very easily avoidable if some leave enough room and stick to their lines, or do not dive bomb into corners. You're just being a philosopher here and speaking theoretically while my discussion was about something specific that I personally witness on a regular basis, in all the divisions I race.

[garethhall]

So you get grosjean’d as much as every one else (yes I did use his name as a verb, poor bugger, if only he knew) and you appreciate the every one else is doing the best job they can, what are you trying to achieve with your post race verses? It has been scientifically proven that telling someone they are a crap driver does very little for their race craft.

[Hristo Itchov]

So you get grosjean’d as much as every one else (yes I did use his name as a verb, poor bugger, if only he knew) and you appreciate the every one else is doing the best job they can, what are you trying to achieve with your post race verses? It has been scientifically proven that telling someone they are a crap driver does very little for their race craft.

So let's all just keep quiet and keep suffering from drivers who think they can do whatever on the track without consequence, who think saying "sorry" (or nothing) is sufficient, instead of changing something in their approach? Not my thing, no. I'm saying it because I feel like it and that's more than enough reason for me. You should be worried about the quality of racing if it's deteriorating instead of improving, which is what I've been witnessing for the past couple of seasons.

[garethhall]

So you get grosjean’d as much as every one else (yes I did use his name as a verb, poor bugger, if only he knew) and you appreciate the every one else is doing the best job they can, what are you trying to achieve with your post race verses? It has been scientifically proven that telling someone they are a crap driver does very little for their race craft.

So let's all just keep quiet and keep suffering from drivers who think they can do whatever on the track without consequence, who think saying "sorry" (or nothing) is sufficient, instead of changing something in their approach? Not my thing, no. I'm saying it because I feel like it and that's more than enough reason for me. You should be worried about the quality of racing if it's deteriorating instead of improving, which is what I've been witnessing for the past couple of seasons.

That’s the moderator job to judge and hand out penalties. Those who balls it up are accountable. Do you think the moderators and/or penalties are too soft? Trying to raise the standards of judgement, race craft and car control throughout gpl by means of persistent and questionable post race statements is the wrong way to go about it.

On a serious note; I cannot wait to be in a race you moderate

[Ronniepeterson]

So let's all just keep quiet and keep suffering from drivers who think saying "sorry" (or nothing) is sufficient

My apologies Hristo for saying nothing to your various balanced comments throughout this post concerning the driving of myself or whoever you were refereeing to. I'm sorry my driving does not meet with your approval or high standards of behaviour on track. Honest, I'm really sorry.

I only hope I'm good enough to register for the Pro 65 championship again, if its run, as I am already worried about spending a lot of time in the headmasters office if I have to enter the Inters 

Hold on that looks like an incoming sense of humour failure missile heading my way, gotta run.

[Hristo Itchov]

My standards are neither high or mine really. It's normal standards that maintain respect between drivers on the track and prevent accidents. You and some other people seem bent on simply driving the only way you know, and keep on apologizing without changing anything in your approach. If that's what you call high standard then your "normal" standard must be rather low.

[Ronniepeterson]

Normal people don't have a problem apologising or accepting apologies unconditionally. Normal people don't have a problem admitting when they get something wrong.

Rest assured I have no concerns with my driving standards or respect for my fellow drivers. When incidents arise whether at fault or not, and they do for everybody, I remain happy to resolve them in chat, via the forum or the incident report system.

As for me and other people simply driving the way we know and not changing our approach? This almost sounds like you want us to drive more carefully or should I say slower, not get in the way, roll out the white flag when we see you coming? I cannot speak for the others but for me that would be a no.

[garethhall]

As for me and other people simply driving the way we know and not changing our approach? This almost sounds like you want us to drive more carefully or should I say slower, not get in the way, roll out the white flag when we see you coming? I cannot speak for the others but for me that would be a no.

I'm sure that is not what is meant at least I hope so. I infer from you comments that you feel there is some pre-meditation to an incident (or at least not to try to prevent one). Incidents are not pre-meditated or on purpose, no one wants to ruin their race or any one else’s. The thing that you don’t seem to consider, H, is that everyone drives to their ability, doing the best job they can, as fast as they can and it is not for you to affront others for not coming up to your standard. Even if your standard is normal and others low.

[Hristo Itchov]

Gareth, you still don't get my point. I'm not telling people to become quicker. I'm telling them they're overdriving and going above their ability, in situations that are beyond their awareness, thus incidents occur. When you have someone in your blind spot, you can't just cross over to another line. When you're on the inside of someone going into a corner, you can't just brake later and hope the other driver gives you the whole road. Etc., etc. This has nothing to do with how good or bad you are in terms of pace, it's just knowing your limit, particularly when you're racing others. It's about respecting the kind of result a contact online usually leads to and do your best to avoid it, instead of causing it because of negligence or some twisted idea of "fun". It's not fun for those who suffer from it, who get their races ruined.

[garethhall]

Gareth, you still don't get my point. I'm not telling people to become quicker. I'm telling them they're overdriving and going above their ability, in situations that are beyond their awareness, thus incidents occur. When you have someone in your blind spot, you can't just cross over to another line. When you're on the inside of someone going into a corner, you can't just brake later and hope the other driver gives you the whole road. Etc., etc. This has nothing to do with how good or bad you are in terms of pace, it's just knowing your limit, particularly when you're racing others. It's about respecting the kind of result a contact online usually leads to and do your best to avoid it, instead of causing it because of negligence or some twisted idea of "fun". It's not fun for those who suffer from it, who get their races ruined.

Well if you wern't so damn quick, and handsome you beast of a man you, people would not need to overdrive.

[BadBlood]

I shouldn't laugh Gareth... but I did