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  • S2467W Brands Hatch: June 02, 2013
June 02, 2013, 10:36:45 PM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Works Trophy (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:32.571
102.978mph
1 50:32.293
100.600mph
32 1:33.254
102.224mph
Firestone  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.422
102.511mph
2 +10.331
100.258mph
32 1:33.738
101.696mph
Firestone  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.302
102.643mph
3 +23.732
99.819mph
32 1:33.340
102.129mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +2.541
100.227mph
4 +31.524
99.565mph
32 1:33.921
101.498mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.775
101.040mph
5 +40.086
99.287mph
32 1:34.827
100.528mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 10 +3.223
99.513mph
6 +1:02.560
98.566mph
32 1:35.202
100.132mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 11 +3.653
99.068mph
7 +1:13.174
98.229mph
32 1:34.406
100.976mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.043
101.831mph
8 +6L
99.108mph
26 1:34.473
100.905mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.119
101.748mph
9 +20L
99.081mph
12 1:33.715
101.721mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +10.316
92.653mph
10 +21L
90.472mph
11 1:36.420
98.867mph
Disco
Goodyear  
AndyL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +2.685
100.075mph
11 +27L
94.472mph
5 1:36.147
99.148mph
accident
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +0.973
101.907mph
12 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 13 ---
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Firestone  

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Another brilliant drive by Attilio to secure his fourth win of the season and confirm him as the Works Champion for Season 24. Attilio was pushed hard by a gaggle of drivers fighting over both second place in the race and second place in the championship. The runner-up spot in the race was claimed by Bartosz after a race long duel with Bob Whitwell. Fulvio grabbed fourth place in the race which was enough to nick second place in the championship from Al Heller.

A very clean race with no reported incidents and nothing in the red zone.

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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2013, 04:06:52 PM +0100 »

Gosh - so your tyres overheat?

It took me six months to realise that the tyre temps were colour coded! I just though blue was what they had chosen!  Grin
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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2013, 05:19:31 PM +0100 »

Yes guys, as far as I know the internal tyre is the one that locks up first under braking. Watching my replay it is pretty clear, in all the right handers I tend to leave a stripe of rubber on the tarmac. I put the temps down to the braking precisely because theres only one left hander which kills the right front, and that is followed by a very long straight plus a series of right handers that should give the tyre plenty of time to cool down. Plus, no one else seems to have had this issue (Fulvio, how were your tyres' temps then?). I suspect it is a combination of driving style and rubbish setup. H, if you cared about having a look when you have time, I would pm it to you  whistling.
Attilio I had the same issue with RF, and when it went too hot I had a wide at Surtees, but I didn't check how hot were in that occasion cause I was too busy to battle with Al coming on my gearbox soon after  Grin
I thought to find tires temps in GPLRA, but no available.
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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2013, 05:50:16 PM +0100 »

Aha, so other people had issues then..I suppose this track does something to that tyre with the killer corner before the back straight, which compounded with my brake lockups must have sent the temps into the stratosphere.

I actually never have problems with any of the mods, in fact tyre temps almost never get out of the blue colour for me as well. But I did notice that I tend to lock up much more than the other drivers in any case, I suppose with the mods it doesn't create the same problems. Even with the 67s it happens only in specific tracks, and always with the front tyres. Another bad one was Dijon, but it went away after a few laps of praccy, I guess that was more about sliding wide than locking brakes...Anyway, thanks for your input guys, and H I will email you my setup if you can spot something obviously wrong, thank you.
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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2013, 06:44:05 PM +0100 »

I wonder if  it could be the controller in need of some cleaning, or is it just wishful thinking?

just re-calabrate it and see how it registers your inputs, mine are now either on or off lol Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2013, 08:50:24 PM +0100 »

Grats to Art on a deserved championship with some very fast performances on all tracks.

Hot front tyres?, even tyres into the green range at the front would be a novelty!!! i rarely even get the fronts out of the dark blue range in any mod unless I have made an horrendous mistake somewhere or bent the steering/suspension.

Now if you want to talk about rear tyre temps...........I can write a thesis on the infra red range of rear tyre rubber and how it affects handling. I actually does not affect handling so much as remove it altogether!!! Roll Eyes Which is exactly what happened to me at Brands Hatch last night. I paid the price for pushing too hard and too early.

As to the locking of the inside tyre Art, my highly trained pit crew reckon it could be partially related to roll bar settings. If the physics in GPL correctly mimic real life, the roll bars could be allowing too much weight to transfer across to the outside wheel. Roll bars are there to control the natural inclination of the car to place all of its weight on the outside wheel at a corner and attempt to keep the pressure upon the inside wheel by mechanical means.
 I wonder if you run very soft or very stiff rollbar values. But as with all things related to setup in GPL no setup value works alone, each setting's effect is modified or accentuated by the value of other parameters in the setup and all we try to do is find the sweet spot that suits us.

Given your pace at most tracks, which is often close to WR pace I suspect that you are approaching the event horizon of setups, beyond which you will not spin off at a corner but vanish into a black hole of your own making.
 Just my considered opinions......I could of course be wrong and talking total bu**sh*t  Roll Eyes shifty
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2013, 09:59:40 PM +0100 »

  Well, I have no idea how to do setups, but the power/coast angles might have something to do with it... being very terrified of this track, i tried running a safer 85/45 ramp angles, which ended up in terribly overheating rf/rb tyres. Then I got back to 60/60 and softened the front rollbar, and the tyre temp problems went away...  I might be doing the track quite wrong, but it seemed that despite it having very few left handed turns (maybe three in total) I had to literaly trow the car into them, and if i didnt slow enough prior to that, i could see the right front smoking alot... I had the car setuped asimetrically to turn easier to the right tho, so that might have something to do with it.

Also, if you run GH2 setups... as any alien setups these are made for to be driven almost with the rear tyres only, and the fronts have about 160 kpa just to get any heat possible in them... but if you want to turn more with the fronts, you need like 128-134 kpa in them, or they will go constantly in the red.

And you might have brake potentiometer problems, so check in your profiler/whatever if the brake slides smoothly whitout spiking. Or try to calibrate again...
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