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May 28, 2013, 09:36:36 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Classic) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Andy Miller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.191
117.009mph
1 39:15.296
116.000mph
33 1:10.677
117.142mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 4 +0.255
116.904mph
2 +6.807
115.666mph
33 1:10.796
116.945mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 1 1:10.566
117.326mph
3 +10.143
115.503mph
33 1:10.130
118.056mph
Dunlop  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +0.264
116.889mph
4 +27.333
114.669mph
33 1:11.035
116.552mph
Goodyear  
PaulV
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 12 5 +43.248
113.909mph
33 1:10.862
116.836mph
Dunlop  
Ross Hawkey
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 8 +1.418
115.015mph
6 +53.564
113.421mph
33 1:10.809
116.924mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 2 +0.029
117.278mph
7 +55.229
113.342mph
33 1:10.421
117.568mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +0.419
116.634mph
8 +58.811
113.174mph
33 1:11.003
116.604mph
Dunlop  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +1.452
114.961mph
9 +1:07.348
112.775mph
33 1:11.998
114.993mph
Dunlop  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +3.481
111.811mph
10 +2L
107.465mph
31 1:13.456
112.710mph
Goodyear  
Boggy
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +0.582
116.366mph
11 +12L
109.414mph
21 1:10.503
117.431mph
Disco
Goodyear  
UKGPL 3
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 12 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

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Server replay time: 0h00m41s

Badblood is stranded on the line after his engine blows. Rog clips him but continues. Billy does well to avoid Rog as he comes across him. Dave then realises the Honda is going nowhere and makes valiant efforts to stop but can't quite. Ross is just intent on getting away and rear ends Dave and then spins into Johnny. Tony amazingly steers through the carnage and zooms away. Paul V is having a nice cigar at the back watching the latest action movie 'The Slow and the Pretty Cross 10' unfold in front of him.

Badblood sadly resets, his dreams of glory up in smoke (literally).

I am not going to penalise anyone BUT I would remind you all that you cannot win off the line, but you CAN lose it. You always need to be cautious at the start. These collisions could, and should, have been avoided. Having said that, I shouldn't have blown my engine :(

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« on: May 22, 2013, 12:34:53 PM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 24 65 Novices Trophy
Race 9 Watkins Glen

Welcome back for the ninth round in the Season 24 Novices Trophy. We are at the sharp end of the season and we leave Europe for good (at least until Season 25!)

Across the 'pond' to Watkins Glen in upstate New York. The first Watkins Glen Grand Prix took place in 1948 on a 6.6-mile (10.6 km) course over local public roads. For the first few years, the races passed through the heart of the town with spectators lining the sidewalks, but after a car left the road in the 1952 race, killing one spectator and injuring several others, the race was moved to a new location on a wooded hilltop southwest of town. The original 6.6-mile (10.6 km) course was used from 1948-1952 and is modelled as 'Watkins 1948' in the track database.
 
The first permanent course was constructed on 550 acres, overlapping part of the previous street course. It was designed by Bill Milliken, and engineering professors from Cornell University. The layout measured 2.35-mile (3.78 km). This course was used from 1956-1970 and is the layout we use.

The United States Grand Prix here quickly became an autumnal tradition as huge crowds of knowledgeable racing fans flocked to 'The Glen' each year amid the spectacular autumn colors of the region. The race was also among the most popular on the global Grand Prix calendar with the teams and drivers because its starting and prize money often exceeded those of the other races combined. The race received the Grand Prix Drivers' Association award for the best organized and best staged GP of the season in 1965, 1970, and 1972.

One fixture of the USGP at The Glen was the starter for the races, Richard Norman "Tex" Hopkins. Wearing a lavender suit, clenching a big cigar in his mouth, and giving the job everything he had, Hopkins was the most recognizable starter in Grand Prix racing. Once the cars had taken their places, Hopkins strode across the front of the grid with his back to the field, turned, and jumped into the air while waving the national flag to start the race. At the finish, he would meet the winner in similar fashion, this time waving the checkered flag as the car crossed the line.

The course is well known and as long as we are patient through the complex from the start and are careful at the bottom of the back straight we will be OK. If drivers are not patient, there WILL be crashes. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the whole of the first lap.

Please check the Season 24 pages for details regarding rules and the Novices Trophy pages in particular.

HANDICAPPING will be applied to any drivers in the top three who are within 20 points of the leader.

Johnny P is again limited to the BT7
Dave Curtis is asked to limit himself to the BT7 or Cooper
RogUK has the choice of BT7, Cooper or Honda


Race ListIGOR
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IP Addressping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date28-05-2013
Qualification Time  ~20:45  UK time (minimum of 30 mins)
Race Timerace starts at 21:30 UK time
TrackWatkins Glen (Papy)
Variant65F1 the 2.02 Release of the 65mod should be used
Damage ModelINT
Race length33 laps
RED ZONE Start of Lap 1 to the exit of the first hairpin
Passwordsee above
Replayavailable after the race here

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the whole of Lap 1. There is no limit on the amount of resets but EACH Shift/R MUST be followed by a Stop n Go.

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here

Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 11:44:07 AM +0100 »

Went practising yesterday and was super pleased with how much better I was than in Season 21 when we last raced here... checked where I would have qualified... front row perhaps?

Errrr. No. 12th Sad

Still, 1:10.65 with a 1:11.2 average over a long run (20 laps) is a big improvement for me. How are you guys doing?
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2013, 12:47:18 PM +0100 »

I can't match that- low 1.12's with a very rare high 1.11 for me. Difficult to setup without melting my front left tyre.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2013, 01:46:20 PM +0100 »

Only been here a couple of times in a '65  (so last season & Santa vs. Elves),  so only tried a couple of cars.    Shame, after last time out - the Honda seems ok!   I'll be visiting the Internet setup repository at some point for Cooper/BT7 spanner-work.

Then during the race,  I'll undoubtably be visiting some (or should I say *those*) bales...!

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2013, 02:26:28 PM +0100 »

I can't match that- low 1.12's with a very rare high 1.11 for me. Difficult to setup without melting my front left tyre.

Sandbagger... Wink

I'll be visiting the Internet setup repository at some point for Cooper/BT7 spanner-work.

Track database is still down unfortunately Sad
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2013, 04:02:33 PM +0100 »

You can get Steve Cloyds setups on GPLRank -> world records  Wink

I use his BT11 setup with fine tire temps...
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2013, 05:12:02 PM +0100 »

Only been here a couple of times in a '65  (so last season & Santa vs. Elves),  so only tried a couple of cars.    Shame, after last time out - the Honda seems ok!   I'll be visiting the Internet setup repository at some point for Cooper/BT7 spanner-work.

Then during the race,  I'll undoubtably be visiting some (or should I say *those*) bales...!



I have some excellent BT7 setups in my setup pack.
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2013, 05:16:18 PM +0100 »

Shhh you two, I was trying to sound sympathetic whilst simultaneously putting the skids under their challenge...  Grin
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2013, 06:20:50 PM +0100 »

Shhh you two, I was trying to sound sympathetic whilst simultaneously putting the skids under their challenge...  Grin

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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 07:20:03 PM +0100 »

No sandbagging- they are my true times. Not sure where I'm loosing out but I think I'll improve with a good tow Wink
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 11:26:32 PM +0100 »


had 5-6 laps in the 33.

with the default setup and race fuel doing low 1.12's.

NS tyres gettign hot and gearing far too high at present.

a few mods to the setup will help but seems OK so far.  does make a nice change knowing the track well.

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 11:28:00 PM +0100 »

with the default setup and race fuel doing low 1.12's.

Don't ever use the default setups...
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2013, 12:01:06 AM +0100 »

Happy to share set-ups (designed with the Novice in mind) Lotus, BT11, BT7 or Cooper. If required send me a PM with an e-mail address.
I can hit a 1.10.xx in the BT11 (occasionally).
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2013, 12:35:14 AM +0100 »

The only one I have is for the Honda.

Ran three long stints on race fuel, 35 laps, 16 laps, and 17 laps. Averaged 1:12.1, 1:11.8 and 1:11.9 but fairly inconsistent within those so 1:10.8 was the best and 1:12.9 the worst. usually early 1:12's or high 1:11's. That was not counting the 1:18 and 1:21 I did when I had a spin but that would have added 0.35 - 0.5 sec to the average laptime. Still a lot better than last time out and I am hoping for a decent race BUT these are on a solo track with nobody biffing me off...

One thing I did find - definitely need to brake nice and early for better lap times - especially into the last corner.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2013, 01:10:14 PM +0100 »

You are bang on about the last turn Paul I find it probably the trickiest turn on the circuit. I tried some changes to my setup but my front left is still getting really hot after about 5 laps. I need to add a load of negative camber but that makes the car pull to one side- I've stiffened the corner a little but I think the answer is to hug the inside of the banked turn and not run too wide.
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