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June 02, 2013, 10:36:45 PM +0100 - Brands Hatch (GP) - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Works Trophy (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 1:32.571
102.978mph
1 50:32.293
100.600mph
32 1:33.254
102.224mph
Firestone  
Podkrecony_Ziutek
 Clark-Hill Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +0.422
102.511mph
2 +10.331
100.258mph
32 1:33.738
101.696mph
Firestone  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 2 +0.302
102.643mph
3 +23.732
99.819mph
32 1:33.340
102.129mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +2.541
100.227mph
4 +31.524
99.565mph
32 1:33.921
101.498mph
Goodyear  
Al Heller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.775
101.040mph
5 +40.086
99.287mph
32 1:34.827
100.528mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 10 +3.223
99.513mph
6 +1:02.560
98.566mph
32 1:35.202
100.132mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 11 +3.653
99.068mph
7 +1:13.174
98.229mph
32 1:34.406
100.976mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.043
101.831mph
8 +6L
99.108mph
26 1:34.473
100.905mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 6 +1.119
101.748mph
9 +20L
99.081mph
12 1:33.715
101.721mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +10.316
92.653mph
10 +21L
90.472mph
11 1:36.420
98.867mph
Disco
Goodyear  
AndyL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +2.685
100.075mph
11 +27L
94.472mph
5 1:36.147
99.148mph
accident
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +0.973
101.907mph
12 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 13 13 ---
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Firestone  

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Another brilliant drive by Attilio to secure his fourth win of the season and confirm him as the Works Champion for Season 24. Attilio was pushed hard by a gaggle of drivers fighting over both second place in the race and second place in the championship. The runner-up spot in the race was claimed by Bartosz after a race long duel with Bob Whitwell. Fulvio grabbed fourth place in the race which was enough to nick second place in the championship from Al Heller.

A very clean race with no reported incidents and nothing in the red zone.

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« on: May 29, 2013, 10:46:24 PM +0100 »

Season 24 Works Trophy (67) - Round 10 - Brands Hatch

For the last round we hop over the channel to Kent, the "Garden of England" and the home of Brands Hatch.  The British Grand Prix has been held at Brands Hatch on 12 occasions and the European Grand Prix has been held there twice.  The 1966 Grand Prix was won by Jack Brabham and the 1968 race by Jo Siffert driving a Brabham Repco BT19 and a Lotus-Cosworth 49B respectively.  There have also been numerous non-championship Formula 1 races most noteably the Race of Champions in 1967 which was won by Dan Gurney in the Eagle-Weslake T1G.   

The track is particularly appropriate for Grand Prix Legends as it was widely used by Formula 1 cars in the 1960s.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_GPG
IP address = 62.195.2.111
Race date = 02-06-2013
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time
Track = Brands Hatch 67
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = PRO
Race length = 50 minutes (laps 32)
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Driver lists and token rules can be found on the championship standings page
The track can be downloaded from : Brands67
The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under PRO rules so no resets are allowed.

The chassis token system is explained on the Works standings page. Please ensure you choose a chassis that is within your budget, which can be seen by hovering the mouse over your points total in the standings.

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start line to Pilgrim's Drop. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2013, 11:52:59 AM +0100 »

GPG server is set to 32 laps Long race.
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2013, 09:45:58 PM +0100 »

Lost all sound right at the end of qualifying and did not have time to get back in before the race had started  :'( Have fun everyone and grats to the podium whoever it turns out to be.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 12:37:18 AM +0100 »

Congrats to Art for the win and championship! I forgot about the race...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2013, 08:36:01 AM +0100 »

Congrats to Art for the win and championship! I forgot about the race...  Roll Eyes

Ah, that's why we had fun then  Grin Grin

Guys, I am going to ask it on here again. Yesterday I had crazy temps in my front right tyre after a few laps (like, 160 degrees..). I tried to soften everything possible and lower the pressures during practice (I already had 50% brakes bias), but to no avail, so I figured it was a track related issue. Then I realised I am actually blocking my front right at almost every single right-hander, and only that wheel. I wonder if some of the setup gurus/resident alien organisms can be of help about this. Yesterday someone suggested a very interesting gyzmo (which is probably going to be considered at some point in the future, as the driving experience with a brake pedal that can measure pressure must be so much more rewarding), but I didn't use to have this problem in the past, and I started noticing it now (although this track was especially bad). I wonder if  it could be the controller in need of some cleaning, or is it just wishful thinking?

As for my race, it was fun as I had to push all the way through. Bob was just as quick, with Pod very close behind. We played all race long at 'hand back the lead' with Bob, and in the end he was the most committed, with a generous  spin just a few laps to the end  Grin. Very surprising the win in the championship, considering half way through I was all de-gpled and thinking of bailing out, you really never know  Cool.

Thx to all racers for the season, and to Phil and the other Mods for organising.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2013, 11:01:31 AM +0100 »

Yesterday someone suggested a very interesting gyzmo (which is probably going to be considered at some point in the future, as the driving experience with a brake pedal that can measure pressure must be so much more rewarding), but I didn't use to have this problem in the past, and I started noticing it now (although this track was especially bad). I wonder if  it could be the controller in need of some cleaning, or is it just wishful thinking?

I don't know if that's the solution for your problem, but here I've posted few things about that brake mod Wink

As for my race:

In qual I've beat my PB. probably I would be able to go little bit fasther, but I was so happy with this time, that I've decided to leave it as it was and try few laps with full tank.

Race started well, Art and Bob were pushing hard so I had to drive as fast as I could to keep up. Afther few laps I made mistake and I run too wide on the last corner. Afther this mistake I had a very fast Evil drifting on my tale, but afther a while he made mistake and I was able to concentrate on chasing Bob.
I've spend most of the race watching Bob chasing Art.

At the end of the race Bob and I were playing in a game callego who don't want 2'nd place. I guess I lost the game lol

Grats to Art for the win and the title, thx to all the drivers and especially to Phil and the mod team for organising this great championship. Cya all in S25 Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2013, 11:07:30 AM +0100 »

Another wood medal that made me stole 2nd place to Al and Andy for a couple of points, sorry  Grin
Really I never paid attention to the standing cause I wasn't sure to partecipate to every race, but in the end I nailed a sequel of 4th places always starting from the back and trying to keep the thing on tarmac. Who knows how would ended at Rouen without the pile up at start?  Cheesy
Thx all for the season and grats Attilio!

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2013, 12:06:47 PM +0100 »

Had screen-freeze just about every time I've raced here so was amazed to get to the finish. Still my fave track for watching racing in real life, but hard work to drive around with these cars. Although Fulvio started behind me on the grid, I know he likes to qualify with a few bags of cement in the boot (!) & sure enough once the race started he was going like a rocket. Fulvio also seemed to be exploring the limits though, so every now & again would kindly allow me back ahead of him. I didn't realise we were effectively fighting over 2nd in the championship, though even if I'd known it wouldn't have made any difference as I simply wasn't as quick. Not a vintage season for me overall so rather amazed to end up 3rd in the standings - it was so close on points with Arf & Andy which just shows how competitive it was through the field. Congrats to Art for wrapping up the title in style & also to Bartosz & Bob. Thanks for some great racing chaps & hope to see you next season (though real-life might be a bit too busy...)       
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2013, 01:10:24 PM +0100 »

Guys, I am going to ask it on here again. Yesterday I had crazy temps in my front right tyre after a few laps (like, 160 degrees..). I tried to soften everything possible and lower the pressures during practice (I already had 50% brakes bias), but to no avail, so I figured it was a track related issue. Then I realised I am actually blocking my front right at almost every single right-hander, and only that wheel. I wonder if some of the setup gurus/resident alien organisms can be of help about this.

It seems weird to have problems with your right tire, considering the track goes clock-wise and the left tires are the ones which take the most stress. If I had raced, my front right would have been the coolest of them all. Perhaps you're braking too deeply into corners and that locks it up? Or maybe your front is too stiff/rear too soft, I can't say without looking at your setup.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2013, 02:52:21 PM +0100 »

The hardest brake is at the end of the back straight whith a right hander so it's easy that the RF tire looses load and lock at the end of the braking when you begin to turn in cause there is a big dip at the beginning of the braking and a following rebound. The same happens at Druids T2. Maybe this effect is a bit too exagerate in GPL versus real life and put more stress on temps.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2013, 02:57:21 PM +0100 »

Or you're just not braking properly. I never EVER have issues with front inside tire at any track. I try to ease off the brake as early as possible and just let the car drift into the corner, then get on the throttle as early as possible. You don't really gain any time by braking so deep, except for very slow corners and hairpins.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2013, 03:02:24 PM +0100 »

Or you're just not braking properly. I never EVER have issues with front inside tire at any track. I try to ease off the brake as early as possible and just let the car drift into the corner, then get on the throttle as early as possible. You don't really gain any time by braking so deep, except for very slow corners and hairpins.
I didn't say my driving is correct, only arguing on the effect of bad driving or setup issues in GPL  Grin
By the way I usually run GH2 setups.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2013, 03:09:13 PM +0100 »

Yes guys, as far as I know the internal tyre is the one that locks up first under braking. Watching my replay it is pretty clear, in all the right handers I tend to leave a stripe of rubber on the tarmac. I put the temps down to the braking precisely because theres only one left hander which kills the right front, and that is followed by a very long straight plus a series of right handers that should give the tyre plenty of time to cool down. Plus, no one else seems to have had this issue (Fulvio, how were your tyres' temps then?). I suspect it is a combination of driving style and rubbish setup. H, if you cared about having a look when you have time, I would pm it to you  whistling.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2013, 03:44:11 PM +0100 »

Yes guys, as far as I know the internal tyre is the one that locks up first under braking. Watching my replay it is pretty clear, in all the right handers I tend to leave a stripe of rubber on the tarmac. I put the temps down to the braking precisely because theres only one left hander which kills the right front, and that is followed by a very long straight plus a series of right handers that should give the tyre plenty of time to cool down. Plus, no one else seems to have had this issue (Fulvio, how were your tyres' temps then?). I suspect it is a combination of driving style and rubbish setup. H, if you cared about having a look when you have time, I would pm it to you  whistling.

Sure, although, as I said, it also depends how you drive the car really. Not sure you can attach files here on the forums, so send it via FB or email.
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2013, 03:45:16 PM +0100 »

Guys, I am going to ask it on here again. Yesterday I had crazy temps in my front right tyre after a few laps (like, 160 degrees..). I tried to soften everything possible and lower the pressures during practice (I already had 50% brakes bias), but to no avail, so I figured it was a track related issue. Then I realised I am actually blocking my front right at almost every single right-hander, and only that wheel. I wonder if some of the setup gurus/resident alien organisms can be of help about this.

Oh, no Attilio, I have exactly the same problems since some time!
This happens in all mods for me!

I have just watched my own driving and found that my braking seems to be too far into the corner, this works fine as long as the tyres are cool, but as soon as they get the green temperatures, the inside front gets far too hot Shocked

Yesterday in Privs, it was impossible for me to go on...
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