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June 11, 2013, 09:37:14 PM +0100 - East London - UKGPL Season 24 (2013) Novices Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Andy Miller
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 1 1:26.763
100.915mph
1 39:52.762
98.800mph
27 1:27.689
99.850mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 6 +1.839
98.821mph
2 (+1) +28.065
97.655mph
27 1:28.508
98.926mph
Dunlop  
Ross Hawkey
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +1.805
98.859mph
3 +35.326
97.362mph
27 1:27.794
99.730mph
Dunlop  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.331
100.532mph
4 +44.066
97.013mph
27 1:27.049
100.584mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 4 +1.736
98.936mph
5 +55.348
96.566mph
27 1:28.731
98.677mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 3 +1.465
99.240mph
6 +1:04.129
96.221mph
27 1:28.416
99.029mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 12 7 +1:04.396
96.211mph
27 1:28.193
99.279mph
Dunlop  
Nigel Smith
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 7 +1.867
98.790mph
8 +1:25.946
95.374mph
27 1:28.965
98.418mph
Dunlop  
Boggy
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +2.626
97.951mph
9 +1L
94.495mph
26 1:29.653
97.662mph
Goodyear  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 10 +7.949
92.446mph
10 +3L
88.050mph
24 1:32.357
94.803mph
Disco
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 8 +1.983
98.661mph
11 +21L
94.779mph
6 1:29.408
97.930mph
unknown
Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 12 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Nothing of note in the Red Zone but some nice close racing and plenty of respect...couple of 'off tracks' (you know who you are!) but these were unaided...

The server dropped Fabio's and Billy's original qually times but I can't re-instate that. Odd though.

Well done everybody.


Server replay time: 0h35m33s

BB gets a good run on Rog down to Copacabana. Rog turns in but BB's Honda is already there. Contact and BB spins out.

Rog feels that he turned in just as BB got there but the overhead view does not support that. See the Moderation post below.

Rules have this: "On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake, maintains his line and has achieved 100% overlap but the overtaken driver moves across into him. There was no loss of control. Penalty for overtaken driver."

Normally this would be a two place penalty but it was an unfortunate end to some hard racing and the idea is to allow drivers to learn and improve. Given that it is the last race of the season, and the prizes have been handed out I don't think a two place penalty is required. The apology was also appreciated.

One other thing to note is that if Rog had taken a less defensive line by driving on the centre line there would have been more room for the overtake. As a matter of etiquette, drivers are asked not to drive down the centre.

Please also be aware that this incident was not moderated by me as we never moderate our own incidents so the decision on how to classify the incident is not mine but I do decide on the penalties applied.

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« on: June 06, 2013, 10:09:03 AM +0100 »

UKGPL Season 24 65 Novices Trophy
Race 10 East London

Welcome back for the final round in the Season 24 Novices Trophy. Our final race sees us move to East London in South Africa.

We will race on the 1960's layout of the Prince George circuit.

Opened in the 1930s, it hosted the South African Grand Prix in 1934, and 1936 to 1939 when racing was halted due to World War II. The original circuit was shortened to 17.7 kilometres in length in 1936. Modified to meet Formula One regulations in 1959, the track was built into a seaside amphitheatre. It hosted three rounds of the F1 South African Grand Prix in the 1960s until the increasing power and speed of the cars meant that it became too small for Formula One. The race was moved to Kyalami.

This is a course with a high speed start and then some tight twisty corners. The last corner, in particular can be tricky and is important to set up the next lap. The first lap will be fully moderated within the red zone. The red zone will extend to the whole of the first lap.

Please check the Season 24 pages for details regarding rules and the Novices Trophy pages in particular.

THERE IS NO HANDICAPPING FOR THIS ROUNDF. GOOD LUCK TO ALL CONTENDERS

Race ListIGOR
ServerUKGPL_3
IP Addressping ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Race date11-06-2013
Qualification Time  ~20:45  UK time (minimum of 30 mins)
Race Timerace starts at 21:30 UK time
TrackEast London
Variant65F1 the 2.02 Release of the 65mod should be used
Damage ModelINT
Race length27 laps
RED ZONE Whole of Lap 1
Passwordsee above
Replayavailable after the race here

Qualifying may start before 9pm, if so, Reserve drivers should leave the server when 35 minutes of qualifying remains and only rejoin when 30 minutes of qualifying is left. This is to ensure that Full Time drivers get priority in joining.

Please restrict chat to pit messages if necessary, and this includes the end of the race, until all running drivers have completed the necessary laps.

The Novice races are run under Int Long rules and all incidents in the red zone on Lap 1, at least, will be moderated. For this race, the red zone extends to the whole of Lap 1. There is no limit on the amount of resets but EACH Shift/R MUST be followed by a Stop n Go.

65 Patch: The 2.02 Release of the 65mod can and should be used. You need a working installation of the 65 mod to install the 2.02 Update. All the 65 Mod files can be found here

Password: see above

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2013, 11:57:15 PM +0100 »

I downloaded this track from one of the other pages on this site as I was keen to learn the circuit (it's a new one to me). Tried a race with the AI but they were all so slow they made me look like Hristo! (other aliens are available).
Is this a fault with the track or what?
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2013, 08:59:53 AM +0100 »

LOL

The quality of AI on the GPL addon tracks is a bit mixed.

Some are suicidal, and I remember one lot who beat each other up in the pit lane and hardly ever made it out on track for qually.  At Bremgarten they under fuel them selves if I recall correctly.

How are you progressing with GPL then Tony?
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2013, 09:28:20 AM +0100 »

You may find this useful, Tony:

http://gpl.lineage2universe.com/track-guides/east-london-track-guide-for-honda-ra272-gpl1965-mod/
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2013, 10:19:49 AM +0100 »

I downloaded this track from one of the other pages on this site as I was keen to learn the circuit (it's a new one to me). Tried a race with the AI but they were all so slow they made me looL like Hristo! (other aliens are available).
Is this a fault with the track or what?

Hi Tony,

I remember in the early "pre patched" days of GPL even the AI that came with the original game had their moments...

John Surtess in particular was a real crazy B*gg*r     

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2013, 12:39:14 PM +0100 »

How are you progressing with GPL then Tony?

Erm........it's a learning curve
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2013, 07:57:48 AM +0100 »

I read your track guide Hristo- it's very good- that itchi waza chap can certainly drive. I don't know how he brakes so late, it all looks so fluid and easy. But you only need to try to know otherwise. I've spent some time here recently but I'm fed up going into the same turn backwards- I haven't really got stability under braking.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2013, 10:02:21 AM +0100 »

How are you progressing with GPL then Tony?

Erm........it's a learning curve

I think that Tudor had a dabble at East London in the '65 cars when he was looking at GPL, before I discovered PnG.

You can share notes on the experience.  Grin

Do you always use the Honda?  Not sure that I will have any setups for that car.
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2013, 10:05:55 AM +0100 »

I read your track guide Hristo- it's very good- that itchi waza chap can certainly drive. I don't know how he brakes so late, it all looks so fluid and easy. But you only need to try to know otherwise. I've spent some time here recently but I'm fed up going into the same turn backwards- I haven't really got stability under braking.

It's because I use a more rearward brake bias (50-52% range) and always feather the throttle, even when I'm braking. You can hear me do that into every braking zone, trying to balance the car with the throttle and brakes, plus trying to keep the engine within certain revs by changing gears relatively quick, to avoid any sudden change in the differential lock amount. This also gives me more freedom in rotating the car on entry and setting it up for the apex, and then the exit. It depends on the setup of course, I prefer (especially in 65s) a pronounced oversteer, because the engines are weak vs. the amount of grip, and you can easily deal with instability when necessary by applying opposite lock and momentary throttle lift up.
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2013, 11:07:58 AM +0100 »

How are you progressing with GPL then Tony?

Erm........it's a learning curve
Do you always use the Honda?  Not sure that I will have any setups for that car.

I decided that I would stick to one car for the whole season rather than flit from one make to another. Next seasons car will be be chosen randomly.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2013, 10:42:09 PM +0100 »

Yipee! Very happy to have won my maiden championship here at UKGPL. It's been marvellous with some great dices along the way.

This race started off rather scarily for me. I just wanted to stay out of the way but in doing so i dropped to forth in the early stages. First JP got by at t3. I saw him approaching a bit quick in the braking zone, so i decided to leave plenty of room, to which he gladly took the lead. Then RogUK got by under braking a few turns later and again the honda of Tony (?) got by when i ran wide through t1 on the following lap.

I was then able to settle knowing there wasn't anyone else threatening behind me and began to ease into catching those that had got ahead. But still by no means was it easy. But eventually i worked my way back to 2nd. JP was some 7 seconds up the road by then but for some reason it never dawned on me that it was JohnnyP up ahead, in the lead and running away with the championship. I guess this helped me relax. I gained a second on him over a couple of laps until he had a spin near the end of the lap, t8 i think. From that i retook the lead.

But JP wasn't giving up. That meant it was going to be tough to stay composed and not be troubled by him in my mirrors. I took a few wide lines when he was close and i wasn't sure how close. And that helped him stay with me for a few repetitions of the track. But unfortunately he lost the rear in the middle of t3 (i think) and i was able to get some breathing space.

Finally, further bad luck came to JP and he dropped back further until he was down in 4th. From there I just stayed out of trouble and brought the old girl home.

Hats off to JP for a great finale and being such a gent. Same to everyone else and thanks to BadBlood for running the series. Definitely a place i'll be returning to!

Cheers all, chin chin!  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2013, 10:59:00 PM +0100 »

I had trouble in the braking zone all race which hampered me with the car being unstable, at T3 on lap one I struggled to slow the car down and thankfully Andy knew and went wide- I am sorry Andy I did not mean to bully my way through. I had a few laps of error free running but then it was spin city. A bit disappointed I couldn't give Andy more of a race. I did loads of practice for this race but mainly in the Ferrari- after one spin too many I abandoned it for the bt11. Congratulations to Rog for getting 2nd place and hats off to Andy- a worthy winner. The best man won today. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2013, 11:27:54 PM +0100 »

Yipee! Very happy to have won my maiden championship here at UKGPL. It's been marvellous with some great dices along the way.
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Then RogUK got by under braking a few turns later and again the honda of Tony (?) got by when i ran wide through t1 on the following lap.

Big congrats Andy. Well deserved. But it was me that passed you and it was the only time this year!

Fun race. Spent most of it looking at Rog's exhaust pipes. He seemed to be quicker out of the last corner and I could drag him back in the rest of the lap... he FINALLY made a mistake on that last corner and I caught him up at the start of Lap 24. I outbraked him into the sharp left hander but I think I caught him by surprise as he turned in and tagged me. I span and then my engine let go. Felt like Oulton again but he was leading this time. Same outcome though Sad  Not sure if the Engine failure was caused by the collision or it was a co-incidence or not but it meant that Ross passed me and I had to try and fight Johnny, Billy and Dave off on cold tyres with a full tank. Couldn't hold off Johnny and then ran wide to let Bill through but I still had a lead on Dave. I had to make my stop so I did and watched as the yards between us counted down... arrgggghhhh! Zoomed out of the pits without much regard for the track and span my way across the line killing the flag man...

Big fun, but feeling a bit deflated with the two low placings when I was 2nd and 3rd on those grids...

Still. BIG step forward for me this season and that fifth could have been third...

Great racing with you all and I look forward to seeing you in Season 25! Thanks to EVERYONE who took part.

Get your incidents in ASAP and I will confirm the results at the weekend.
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2013, 10:00:39 AM +0100 »

Whilst the BT11 has served well for several seasons I felt the need for a change so took the BRM. Took a while to find a set up that accommodated my driving & I would probably have been a fraction quicker in the BT11.
I suspect GPL is so used to seeing the Brabham that completely ignored my P4 qualification & started me off at the back of the grid. Quite an entertaining scrap in the midfield. Johnny was very quick but error prone, I kept pace with Ross for a bit but he refused to make any mistakes. Andy was a class apart & will no doubt move up to the Pros. Commiserations to Paul who must have had the worst last lap in GPL history. Thanks to the other drivers for turning out to make UK GPL what it is.

Provided I don’t get anymore grid-drops I’ll use the preseason break to get to know the BRM.
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 10:52:08 AM +0100 »

Paul who must have had the worst last lap in GPL history

LOL - I didn't think it was that bad
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