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August 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Boot) - UKPnG Season 8 Enduro Cup
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71018) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 2 +0.032
97.651mph
1 1:08:58.221
94.401mph
32 2:05.759
97.074mph
Firestone  
Giuseppe Reali
 Team7
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71019) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 1 2:04.984
97.676mph
2 +23.199
93.875mph
32 2:05.732
97.095mph
Firestone  
johnw
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 3 +0.290
97.450mph
3 +42.088
93.451mph
32 2:06.592
96.435mph
Dunlop  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71059) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 9 +2.116
96.050mph
4 +54.670
93.171mph
32 2:07.089
96.058mph
Firestone  
Jarda Zacek
 
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71059) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 8 +1.808
96.283mph
5 +58.452
93.087mph
32 2:07.258
95.931mph
Firestone  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71018) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 7 +1.755
96.323mph
6 +1:37.935
92.219mph
32 2:07.635
95.647mph
Firestone  
fpolicardi
 Team7
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 11 +3.471
95.037mph
7 +2:08.048
91.568mph
32 2:08.646
94.896mph
Dunlop  
robiker
 
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71019) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 13 +3.991
94.654mph
8 +1L
91.143mph
31 2:09.735
94.099mph
Firestone  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 14 +7.683
92.019mph
9 +2L
87.615mph
30 2:12.134
92.391mph
Dunlop  
Syd Drake
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71059) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 12 +3.671
94.889mph
10 +15L 17 2:08.892
94.714mph
unknown
Firestone  
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 914/6 GT (#70040) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 11 +18L 14 2:08.252
95.187mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Animal Ed
 Team Oldie Racing
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65013) P&G Group 3 O2L 6 +1.569
96.465mph
12 +20L 12 2:06.805
96.273mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Oly9
 Drake Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 13 +21L 11 2:13.322
91.567mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 914/6 GT (#71059) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 4 +0.852
97.015mph
14 +25L 7 2:07.272
95.920mph
unknown
Firestone  
Nik
 WSL Racing Team
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65056) P&G Group 3 O2L 5 +1.511
96.509mph
15 7 2:06.821
96.261mph
unknown
Goodyear  
quicksilver384 (John)
 Supersonic Racing
Porsche 914/6 GT (#70040) P&G 70s Gr4 U2L 10 +3.366
95.114mph
16 +28L 4 2:12.157
92.375mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Ferrari 275 GTB/C Speciale (#66015) P&G Group 3 O2L 15 +10.240
90.279mph
17 +29L 3 2:10.098
93.836mph
unknown
Dunlop  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 3 U2L
2:12.667
92.019mph
phspok
Qualifying
Lotus Elan 26RAugust 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100
P8EC
GTR2
P&G Group 3 U2L
2:12.134
92.391mph
phspok
Race
Lotus Elan 26RAugust 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100
P8EC
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
2:05.274
97.450mph
johnw
Qualifying
Ferrari 275 GTB/C SpecialeAugust 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100
P8EC
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
2:06.592
96.435mph
johnw
Race
Ferrari 275 GTB/C SpecialeAugust 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100
P8EC
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr4 U2L
2:04.984
97.676mph
Giuseppe Reali
Qualifying
Porsche 914/6 GTAugust 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100
P8EC
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr4 U2L
2:05.732
97.095mph
Giuseppe Reali
Race
Porsche 914/6 GTAugust 01, 2013, 08:48:28 PM +0100
P8EC
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« Reply #30 on: August 01, 2013, 10:27:02 PM +0100 »

Luck was on my side tonight, as I was able keep up with Clive and Jarda. I am usually much farther down the grid. The beginning of the race was lots of fun with Nik in front of our pack, followed by Clive, Geoffers, myself and Jarda. Geoffers passed Clive and then went on to race Nik. I was following Clive, and defending against Jarda. The pressure was too much, and I spun out in the first turn. I lost 8 or 9 seconds, but at least I had a clear track in front of me. I caught Clive right before his pit stop, and I went a lap further. I came out just ahead of Clive and just behind Jarda. Jarda and I went on to have a great battle. I had to really work hard just to get past him, and then he was able to pass me back in the next lap! I was a bit disappointed and relieved when Jarda lost control in the Bus Stop. I made a mistake of my own later with two laps to go, and he almost caught up. Good Race!
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« Reply #31 on: August 01, 2013, 10:39:53 PM +0100 »

Results and Replay posted
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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2013, 07:04:45 AM +0100 »

My tyre strategy came straight out of the McLaren book of a 1000 ways to sod up a race!

It is always bad news for me when there is a Porsche in the mix, just can't pedal the things fast enough but neither can Matt, so they are usually the car to be in!

Congratulations to Tudor, Giuseppe and John; and to Walter and Jarda for that matter, they had better pace than I did.

If it were not for the team points I would knock these endurance races on the head; especially when some nutter decides to make it a night race!  I hadn't even realised that it was going to be dark.  Must read the small print in future.
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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2013, 09:07:45 AM +0100 »

Yep, the fact it was a night race had also escaped my attention  Shocked

The biggest shock for me though was the tyre wear  Huh Are you sure it was set to normal Matt? I'd done some testing offline, but it was way off in race.

My main concern was getting off the line cleanly and getting to the top chicane with John still behind me, which I managed to do. I then set about chasing Giuseppe, but became concerned about my tyres and started thinking about my pitstop and messing with xd which blew my concentration. I spun on the exit of the penultimate turn allowing John through  Hit with a wet fish

I spent the next few laps trying to work out where I might squeeze past, but John was always careful where he needed to be and I had to sit behind him losing more time to Giuseppe.

Giuseppe pitted dropping him back to 3rd and eventually John pitted which left me with a few laps of clear track to try to claw back some time, but my tyres were shot by this time. Fortunately I had an uneventful pitstop and was able to exit behind Giuseppe, but crucially right in front of John. To my surprise, Giuseppe then took another stop and I was left with an easy drive to the line.

An interesting and entertaining race made even better by John's car choice  Wink
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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2013, 12:18:42 PM +0100 »

Bit of a frustrating one, but still a good result considering the circumstances.

I couldn't decide whether to go with medium tyres and spend an extra 30+ seconds in the pits, or to use hards which were nearly a second a lap slower but wouldn't have to change them. In the end I went with hards on the basis that I'd rather be in front with a slower car than trying to catch up from 30 seconds behind with rubber that would still be worn at the end of the race.

Hoped to be able to out-drag the Porsches at the start but didn't get off the line very well and couldn't quite pip Goldtop to the chicane. After that I had to be content with watching them slowly get away until Goldtop spun and I held him up for the rest of the stint Grin

I was aiming to do that again in the second half, but clipped a barrier trying to pass Fulvio before he pitted. I should have been more patient -  I lost a few seconds and picked up suspension damage for my trouble as well. Because of that, I saw Goldtop come out of the pits a couple of seconds in front of me and there was no chance I could catch him from there Sad

Did the Porsche drivers take tyres? If so then they managed fuel & tyres in the same time it took me to just refuel Shocked

One thing I've learnt is that the 275 Speciale is not an ideal endurance choice. The range of tyres available is good, but the engine is very fragile. I started out with 100% health and was giving it the beans for most of the race, but had to ease of considerably for the last few laps to save the engine. I think I crossed the line with 2% left, according to XD. Which is a shame, as if it wasn't for that I might have been able to give Giuseppe a proper race near the end. I was trying to save a few per cent of engine health for when he caught me, but he was able to drive right around the outside anyway and I spun shortly after, trying to catch him on the next straight.

Grats to Goldtop and Giuseppe thumbup1
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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2013, 01:36:31 PM +0100 »


I couldn't decide whether to go with medium tyres and spend an extra 30+ seconds in the pits, or to use hards which were nearly a second a lap slower but wouldn't have to change them. In the end I went with hards on the basis that I'd rather be in front with a slower car than trying to catch up from 30 seconds behind with rubber that would still be worn at the end of the race.

Did the Porsche drivers take tyres? If so then they managed fuel & tyres in the same time it took me to just refuel Shocked


I carried a fuel offset meaning I'd have less fuel to pump when I pitted. I also started on the hardest tyre choice which according to my pre-race calculations should have lasted all race, but I had to rethink that (much scratching of head and tutting) and take soft tyres for my shorter last stint.

My rule #1 for endurance races....spend as little time in the pits as possible  Smiley
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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2013, 02:28:06 PM +0100 »

Apologies to Nik, ruined your race & just lost interest in carrying on myself with such a stupid error. Again one of the problems of running cars from different eras. Sorry again  :'(
a real shame cuz I was really in the groove, is been a wile I enjoyed so much a car and track combination, dont no what happened to u there but that's racing these things happened to all of us.
no problem Geoffers,

Congrats to the podium finishers and Walter my team mate for 4th finish great job mate

 c ya next time around,
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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2013, 02:41:10 PM +0100 »

I carried a fuel offset meaning I'd have less fuel to pump when I pitted.

Good thinking. That's what I always try to do...but in this case a full tank only lasted 17 laps Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2013, 06:14:56 PM +0100 »

dont no what happened to u there but that's racing these things happened to all of us.
no problem Geoffers,

The Porsche is really good on corner exit, you can get on the power really early in the corner. I had a late entry into the corner, aiming to cut inside on the exit, unfortuately I was a bit too quick on the power & got a bit of understeer & before I knew it I had run into your right rear corner. Bad mistake.  Roll Eyes

Congrats to GT, Giuseppe & John.  thumbup1
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« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2013, 12:43:34 PM +0100 »

I thought that all of the endurance races were at night. I assumed that it helped with tire wear in the heavier cars.

I really wanted to drive a heavier car, but I just could not justify the trade-off this time.

I changed tires in my pit stop, but I did not experience any noticeable tire wear.

The Porsche has a smaller gas tank. So we could refuel faster.

Thanks to all for the race,

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« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2013, 01:14:18 PM +0100 »

Tyre wear was normal, I warned people in Prac that the front tyre wear would getcha in the 914, it was faster but suffered front wear
the 275 Spec is a nice car for this, as John says engine is fragile if over revved, I always run a higher gearing than ideal
but then I am not as fast as John with any gearing...

@Walter: The endurance events are not always at night, just I like the look of the tracks at dusk, I think it adds atmosphere
oh, and it hacks CLive off so there is always that  Tongue
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« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2013, 02:01:45 PM +0100 »

............oh, and it hacks CLive off so there is always that  Tongue


LOL

I thought as much.  It was pitch black by the finish and I think my headlights needed aiming further up the road.

In daylight in Victoria Park on Sunday if you are out for a stroll.  Lots of new go-faster goodies to help give Simon a kicking!
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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2013, 04:11:23 PM +0100 »

CHortle. GIve SImon a good beating. 3 sisters for "real" racin Sunday here.
I would like to start the races an hour earlier to get the proper effect, but if I start at 18:00 you get blinded by low sun.
Maybe it's just my display settings, but I don't "need" lights at all, the track - particularly at the Glen is quite well lit
at dusk anyway.

Anyone know an "Alex Tancio" ? IS he real? or is he Memorex?
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2013, 08:49:00 PM +0100 »

Good luck with that Matt.

Bet you have one of those sweatshirts that say "I've done three sisters in under a minute!"   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2013, 06:05:54 PM +0100 »

LOL, I must get one of those. I did do twice round the 3 Sisters in 84.2 secs which was "inspirational"
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