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August 02, 2013, 10:11:32 PM +0100 - Efexx - UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Friday Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 1 1:04.416
116.580mph
1 25:15.099
114.000mph
23 1:04.818
115.857mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 4 +0.526
115.636mph
2 +6.870
113.485mph
23 1:05.033
115.474mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 3 +0.525
115.638mph
3 +15.923
112.814mph
23 1:04.276
116.834mph
Goodyear  
Gareth
 
Mirage M1 GT 1967 8 +1.557
113.829mph
4 +38.820
111.152mph
23 1:05.552
114.560mph
Firestone  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 9 +2.003
113.064mph
5 +48.423
110.469mph
23 1:05.811
114.109mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 7 +1.517
113.898mph
6 +53.573
110.107mph
23 1:05.621
114.439mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Mirage M1 GT 1967 2 +0.196
116.226mph
7 +1:00.539
109.620mph
23 1:05.160
115.249mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 10 +4.570
108.857mph
8 +1:05.141
109.301mph
23 1:06.637
112.695mph
Goodyear  
clouds
 Shadows
Mirage M1 GT 1967 5 +1.227
114.401mph
9 +1L
107.726mph
22 1:05.400
114.826mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Mirage M1 GT 1967 6 +1.352
114.184mph
10 +8L
108.134mph
15 1:05.698
114.305mph
accident
Firestone  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Ford GT40 MkIIB GT 1967 13 11 +12L
106.936mph
11 1:05.471
114.702mph
accident
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Porsche 910 GT 1967 11 +4.968
108.233mph
12 +14L
108.138mph
9 1:07.090
111.934mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Mirage M1 GT 1967 13 DNS ---
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Firestone  
UKGPL 8
 
Porsche 910 GT 1967 12 16 ---
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Dunlop  

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August 02, 2013, 11:22:29 PM +0100 - Efexx - UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Friday Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Gareth
 
Ferrari 712M Group 7 1 57.977
129.478mph
1 23:47.587
126.200mph
24 57.741
130.007mph
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 4 +0.337
128.730mph
2 +6.919
125.592mph
24 58.051
129.313mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ferrari 712M Group 7 5 +0.376
128.644mph
3 +19.266
124.520mph
24 58.560
128.189mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 10 +1.683
125.825mph
4 +27.657
123.802mph
24 58.439
128.454mph
Goodyear  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 6 +0.581
128.193mph
5 +33.238
123.329mph
24 58.478
128.369mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T260 Group 7 11 +5.370
118.502mph
6 +36.403
123.062mph
24 57.934
129.574mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 3 +0.250
128.922mph
7 +40.622
122.709mph
24 58.059
129.295mph
Goodyear  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T260 Group 7 9 +0.616
128.117mph
8 +46.265
122.239mph
24 57.911
129.626mph
Goodyear  
clouds
 Shadows
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 8 +0.609
128.132mph
9 +9L
106.585mph
15 58.716
127.848mph
Disco
Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 712M Group 7 2 +0.145
129.155mph
10 +15L
118.585mph
9 59.353
126.476mph
Disco
Firestone  
UKGPL 8
 
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 12 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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Gareth closes up on Tom (King Hiro), approaching T1 and looks about ready to try the demon braking move down the inside. Unfortunately he appears to forget that he needs to go AROUND Tom and not THROUGH him and performs a perfect rear end shunt.


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« on: July 30, 2013, 12:48:26 PM +0100 »

Season 25 Friday Trophy - Rounds 7 & 8 - Efexx

We stay in Belgium at Effex now that most of those competing have had the chance to get to know this short fantasy track.

Because this circuit has a short lap length there would normally be a lot of cars being lapped by the leaders. Please be aware that the car in front may be running at a very different pace so care and patience is required.

PLEASE READ THIS. IT EXPLAINS THE FORMAT THAT THIS 20 RACE SERIES WILL USE.

Please refer to the list of tracks on the "Announcements" page for the Friday Trophy.

This is really designed to be a fun series with 4 different car mods running 2 sprint length races each Friday.
This week will be GT's and Can Am cars
 In each category there is a choice of 4 cars for drivers from the Heavy brigade, but the Lights will be limited to a choice of 2 cars. ( see the list below)
We have stepped up from the F2's and the 69x's of last week to the GT's and Can Ams. Around this track outright power and handling tend to balance out, so it will be an interesting pair of races for everyone I hope.

The first race this week will  be GT and the first qually session will start at approx 20:45 for 20mins. Race starts at approx 21:05
The second race will be for Can Am cars with another 20minute qually and a 25 minute race.


There is a single S/R allowed and you DO NOT need to perform a Stop and Go. It would be nice if those who cause an accident allow the innocent victims to regain their position when you rejoin the racing.


These cars are for the first half of the season including the races at MOON. There will be different sets of cars for the second half of the season.

So, the last 2 cars are for the Lights and the Heavies can chose any car from the list of 4 if they wish. Please be honest and choose a car that suits your ability. The aim is to have some very close racing.

Cars for F2            Brab BT23 and Lotus 48,               Cooper and Ferrari

Cars for 69X          Lotus 49b and Matra MS80        Mclaren M9A and BRM P126/139

Cars for GT           Chap 2F Porsche 910                Mirage M1 and Ford Mk2B

Cars for Can Am     Mclaren M8D and Lola 260         Porsche 917/10 and Ferrari 712M      


If it proves that the handicap for the lights is too harsh in any of the categories, I might consider changing the cars, but let us wait and see how things work out. I suspect that the Lights will still be quick.


Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = tbc
Race date = 02-08-2013
Race Time = race 1 starts at 21:05 UK time
Qualifying Time = 20 minutes, starting  20:45 UK time
Track = Effex
Variant = GT and Can Am
Damage Model = intermediate
Race length = 25 minutes (laps 23 (GT) / 24 (CanAm))
Password: see above
Replay = will be here


The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 10 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 5 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The race will be run under intermediate rules and a single reset is allowed. Races WILL be moderated for reported incidents only unless there is something VERY BAD happening!! so be nice to each other. Wink


Full moderation of lap one red zone

LAP ONE RED ZONE: Full moderation from race start to the end of lap 1.
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2013, 01:41:26 AM +0100 »

Well, just downloaded/installed the CA71 mod.  Not exactly nimble are they?! 

I have no real reference,  but can anybody give an indication as to what an ok-ish consistent laptime round here for an absolute beginner could be?    [of course, I would struggle with the consistent part - unless it's consistently going off!].   

The 1x other lap on GPLRank shows 0:56,  of course - that may also be way off?

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2013, 11:44:48 AM +0100 »

I did a few laps also doing 56's in the Mc F.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2013, 12:03:37 PM +0100 »

The Can AMs may not be nimble but what they do have is a stupid amount of sheer power. The secret to getting the best out of these beasts appears to be utilising that power without shredding those poor rear tyres.
The best suggestion I have heard is to imagine that you have an egg under the gas pedal and feed in the power at a rate that the tyres can actually handle.
For sure you can blitz a couple of laps leaving long black streaks all around the circuit but once the tyres get overheated you will seriously struggle to get those temperatures back under control.
The wing settings help ( just like the 69x) but there is still more power available then you probably really need, which was one of the features of these monsters in real life.

I recently was lucky enough to be at Mclaren and looked over the M8D in their display, A monster 7+ litre aluminium V8 block, 4 ruddy great tyres, a very uncomfortable looking seat with no padding worth talking about and the thinnest aluminium bodywork that you ever saw!! equipment and extras were non existent and this machine was designed to be as powerful and as light as possible with only the very basics of downforce from the rear wing. They must have been awesome to drive....but scary!!!

I would suggest that you try all of the cars available and decide which one is easiest ( most compliant) to drive, because if you are confident about the handling you will almost certainly drive faster even if it feels slower. Especially as this track does not have any enormous straights.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2013, 12:18:59 PM +0100 »

Well, just downloaded/installed the CA71 mod.  Not exactly nimble are they?! 

I have no real reference,  but can anybody give an indication as to what an ok-ish consistent laptime round here for an absolute beginner could be?    [of course, I would struggle with the consistent part - unless it's consistently going off!].   

The 1x other lap on GPLRank shows 0:56,  of course - that may also be way off?

Cheers,
Dave.


The 0:56 was just a time to test the track, I think a 0:54 should be the top...
The CA times should be a little faster than the 69X.

Try to find John Robert's CanAm setups he posted! They have the right balance to make the handling easy!
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2013, 12:28:47 PM +0100 »

Well, just downloaded/installed the CA71 mod.  Not exactly nimble are they?! 

I have no real reference,  but can anybody give an indication as to what an ok-ish consistent laptime round here for an absolute beginner could be?    [of course, I would struggle with the consistent part - unless it's consistently going off!].   

The 1x other lap on GPLRank shows 0:56,  of course - that may also be way off?

Cheers,
Dave.


The 0:56 was just a time to test the track, I think a 0:54 should be the top...
The CA times should be a little faster than the 69X.

Try to find John Robert's CanAm setups he posted! They have the right balance to make the handling easy!
doh, I did 10 laps or so with default setup and wasn't going to go any faster Sad
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2013, 02:29:16 PM +0100 »

This is my Lola T260 setup I had:

Code:
FileName: 00 AC CA L260 River 11.hc1
Chassis: 1971CA Lola T260 7.9L F1

                                          Left          Right
                                          -----         -----
Front Tire Pressure, psi                   18,5          19
Front Wheel Rate, lbs/inch                 324           328
Front Bump                                 9             9
Front Rebound                              10            10
Front Camber, degrees                     -0,5999999    -9,999985E-02
Front Bump Rubber, inches                  1,35          1,35

Front Toe In, inches                      -6,500033E-02
Front Roll Bar, lbs/inch                   428
Front Ride Height, inches                  2,5

Front Brake Bias                           51
Steering Ratio                             10
Fuel Level, gallons                        4,812

Rear Toe In, inches                        0,1150004
Rear Roll Bar, lbs/inch                    274
Rear Ride Height, inches                   2,55

                                          Left          Right
                                          -----         -----
Rear Tire Pressure, psi                    19,5          19,5
Rear Wheel Rate, lbs/inch                  347           352
Rear Bump                                  8             8
Rear Rebound                               9             9
Rear Camber, degrees                      -0,4999998     2,160668E-07
Rear Bump Rubber, inches                   1,25          1,25

Rear Wing Setting, degrees                 8,5

Power Angle, degrees                       60
Coast Angle, degrees                       60
Clutches                                   1

Gear 1                                    17/38          2,235
Gear 2                                    21/35          1,667
Gear 3                                    25/34          1,36
Gear 4                                    30/32          1,067
Gear Differential                         17/38          2,235

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2013, 03:25:15 PM +0100 »

Thanks chaps.  Seems I need a lot more practice before Friday then Smiley
[& that's without looking at the GTs!]

Yeah - I had made a point of using JR's setups for 'all' of my running so far.

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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2013, 06:21:28 PM +0100 »

Whilst JR's setups are considered very good, they will best suit those that have a similar driving style to his. I would maintain that we all approach GPL with a different style and expectation of how we want the car to behave.

So, if you don't feel that Jr's setups suit you don't be afraid to try something different. Maybe start with a JR setup and tweak diff, clutch and damper settings until it begins to feel right. Then save that setup as a baseline to go back to and continue tweaking. That way if you find that you have created a beast that you just cannot control, you can at least go back to the setup that began to feel right and try another direction.

The alternative is to try and modify your driving style to suit the setup and extract the maximum from it. Maybe not so easy as it takes a lot of concentration and control to brake earlier than you naturally want to, turn in later than you want to and refrain from nailing the gas when you feel you should be able to at each and every corner.
I would suggest that is it better to put your efforts into developing your own setup so that you are driving a car with which you feel comfortable?
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2013, 11:42:29 PM +0100 »

if anybody wants my can am setups they can be found here

http://srmz.net/index.php?showtopic=8875#entry86642

yes Clive my setups could be used as a base , as they were all made the same way .
so if you adjust one car to suit your driving style than that amount of change can be done to another car to duplicate that feel .

i agree it's best if everybody does their own setups however some people don't have a clue about setting up a car , it could be they are new to gpl or they cant get their heads around the can ams . also when i posted my setups there were very few available for download , i don't know if that has changed .

have you ever thought about uploading your marvellous can am setups to let other try them Clive ?   

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2013, 08:43:03 AM +0100 »

Your setups obviously work very well and a lot of people find that they can get good results John and you should be thanked for providing them. My post was really a response to those members who try the default setup (or whichever setup they have found) and although the car is still a handful for them they are reluctant or afraid to change anything in case they make things worse.
Provided that they save their baseline setup that they started with and use another copy to tweak, they will lose nothing but might gain a) a more suitable setup for their style and b) they may begin to understand how various adjustments affect the car's handling?

I have yet to find an article that fully explains how each GPL parameter affects a car's handling in simple terms.  There are several very interesting and technical articles about how clutches and diffs work in Real Life!! and how bump and rebound settings made 67 GP cars handle, but very little simple advice for those who want to develop their own GPL setups.
 I know that some things in GPL are sort of inter dependent and it is not quite as simple as a case of    "if the car understeers, adjust this".   But, if someone like yourself with a broader understanding than most in the area of setups could post a basic guide to get people started, I think that would be of great benefit to many.
 
Maybe almost as responses to a FAQ list? How often do we see the same complaints/plaintiff cry for help on forums from the newer members??

e.g.
I cannot get the car to turn in?......................a) do this  or b) reduce this  or c) change this
I get snap oversteer on the corner exit..............a) then try this or this

etc etc. We could have a topic on our forum where we start with a list of the most common queries from our own new members add slowly add answers as the questions are raised?

I would definitely not claim that my Can Am setups are "marvellous", far from it  Roll Eyes, but I am slowly working on getting a handle on these beasts. Practice time is my biggest problem and I have only driven about half of the cars for more than a few laps and maybe only 3 in a full race situation with what I consider a workable setup. Incidentally I have the same problem with the GT's.
I will try and post what I have and others can try them. It is a shame that the forum does not allow the easy upload of files like setups because with computer (non) skills like mine such a task could become a nightmare....but I will see what I can achieve.
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2013, 11:58:53 PM +0100 »

Thanks chaps, lots of help offered - you can feel the love!
Personally, I'm not going to be messing around with anything (too inconsistent & probably would not be able to tell any difference anyway).

But after a few more laps tonight,  I'm managing to stay on-track & Prib is flatteringly suggesting dip into 57s is possible.  I always find it surprising how much difference it makes, just leaving something for another day is - and the resulting improvement without actually doing anything...    

Now to look at the GTs then.


I've not specifically seen it mentioned anywhere - but as a newcomer;  it doesn't look as if there's any of that rolling start nonsense?  Wink
I'm assuming not & I'm planning not to!  But please speak up if I've missed something obvious here!

Cheers,
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2013, 01:51:35 AM +0100 »

. . . . I've not specifically seen it mentioned anywhere - but as a newcomer;  it doesn't look as if there's any of that rolling start nonsense?  Wink

Those dastardly un-British rolling starts of ill repute, have been banished from our realm.  They should be left with the Sims they were designed for.  So, GL with setup sorting . . . and don't forget to practice starts.  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2013, 02:11:17 PM +0100 »

About the new Virtual Mirrors for CanAm71 found in the new patch...is anybody here who knows how to change the location of the virtual mirror ? In my fov the VM is outside the boundary of my screen !  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2013, 09:22:10 PM +0100 »

I'd have probably been last anyway;  but DSL dropped out for just long enough to disco from race1  Sad
[I'll have to look at the server replay,  but I don't recall it being too bad really]


DSL managed to survive all of race2.   I'm convinced my DSL line/associated hardware was full of builder dust/rubble - so maybe sweeping it all out/reset helped.
Did notice that when I rejoined for the last 5 mins - the server seemed to forget that I'd previously managed a 58.56  (although was good to not be in the pack from the start).

Certainly I found the CA71 more fun than the GTs.  Although getting back on track in an absolute nightmare!   
Luckily,  Clive was also practicing his off-roading too!  Unlucky fellas on the last lap,  but cheers!


Cheers all,
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