by SimRacing.org.uk   
Quarterly cost: £220
 
nonchalant-unilinear
September 15, 2019, 11:15:00 PM +0100 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
Series
A14 GT2
A14CA
E6 GT3
E6CAPRI
E6GrC
E6KTMGT
E6T92
L19AHI
L19EGTC
L19KAD
L19NZMC
L19P80
Recent
A Assen (TT)
ACC Misano (GP)
L19AHI Riverside
L19AHI Riverside
E6KTMGT Laguna Seca (1…
A Brno (1987+)
L19P80 Zeltweg
E6GrC Nürburgring (GP)
Forthcoming
A14 GT2 Donington Park…
L19KAD Cadwell Park (F…
L19KAD Cadwell Park (F…
A14CA Mosport
E6T92 Salzburgring
E6 GT3 Most (Large)
L19P80 Zandvoort (1973…
A14CA Road Atlanta (Fu…
E6KTMGT Road America (…
A14 GT2 Sebring (GP)
News: Upcoming Events (GTR2 Lobby Fix): 1 - GTR2 Sunday - Not running; 2 - RRE/AC Sunday - Round 1 of the GT2's @ Donington Park ;3 - GTL Wednesday - Round's 11&12 of the KAD Cup @ Cadwell Park ; 4 - RRE Thursday - Round 3 of the T92's @ Salzburgring ; 5 - AC Wed Round 5 of the CanAm @ Mosport

RACE SERIES KEY A(n)=Assetto Corsa, E5/E6=Raceroom Experience, L19=GT Legends
 
  Start Here      Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register     LM2 Replays Downloads Rules Links Circuits Teams  
Linked Events
  • L14WCM Watkins Glen: July 14, 2014
July 14, 2014, 08:41:33 PM +0100 - Watkins Glen (Boot) - UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
goldtop
 Kerb Crawlers
Lola T70 MkIII (#0) GTL Group S5.0 1 1:44.779
116.010mph
1 57:42.917
112.325mph
32 1:45.997
114.677mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Alfa Romeo Tipo 33-3 (#36) GTL Group P3.0 2 +0.658
115.286mph
2 +4.990
112.164mph
32 1:46.317
114.332mph
Firestone  
Erling G-P
 TEAM-GTLDK
Alfa Romeo Tipo 33-3 (#37) GTL Group P3.0 3 +2.515
113.291mph
3 +39.737
111.051mph
32 1:47.777
112.783mph
Firestone  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Porsche 917K (#0) GTL Group S5.0 4 +2.553
113.250mph
4 +1:37.223
109.258mph
32 1:48.604
111.924mph
Firestone  
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
Porsche 917K (#0) GTL Group S5.0 5 +4.763
110.966mph
5 +1L
107.661mph
31 1:49.617
110.890mph
Firestone  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Ferrari 312P (#22) GTL Group P3.0 7 +6.039
109.688mph
6 +57.816
105.911mph
31 1:51.680
108.841mph
Goodyear  
SortedGeeza
 
Porsche 917K (#0) GTL Group S5.0 8 +11.348
104.673mph
7 +3L
99.385mph
29 1:50.448
110.055mph
Firestone  
SpecialKS
 TEAM-GTLDK
Lola T70 MkIII (#0) GTL Group S5.0 6 +5.809
109.916mph
8 +27L 5 1:52.623
107.930mph
accident
Goodyear  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GT Legends
GTL Group S5.0
1:44.779
116.010mph
goldtop
Qualifying
Lola T70 MkIIIJuly 14, 2014, 08:41:33 PM +0100
L14WCM
GT Legends
GTL Group S5.0
1:45.997
114.677mph
goldtop
Race
Lola T70 MkIIIJuly 14, 2014, 08:41:33 PM +0100
L14WCM
GT Legends
GTL Group P3.0
1:46.317
114.332mph
EvilClive
Race
Alfa Romeo Tipo 33-3July 14, 2014, 08:41:33 PM +0100
L14WCM
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
Author Topic: UKGTL Season 14 World Championship of Makes - Watkins Glen - Jul 14  (Read 4236 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« on: October 27, 2013, 07:51:03 PM +0000 »

Championship Standings here

Grid/server capacity: 28

Practice: ~19:20 (60 mins)
Qualifying: 20:20 (20 mins)
Race: 20:40 (32 laps)

Track: Watkins Glen GP Download this

Cars allowed: Alfa Romeo Tipo 33-3 Download this, Ferrari 312P Download this, Ferrari 512S Code Lunga Download this, Lola T70 Mk3B/C Download this, Matra Simca MS650 Download this, Porsche 908/2 and 908/03 Download this, Porsche 917K Download this.

Modern tyre fix must be applied to the relevant cars. Full details here

Car restrictions: Two drives maximum per make *. Check your status here. *Drivers may elect to drop one make entirely and add two bonus drives with one other make.

Time of Day Setting: 14:00
Start: STANDING
Tyre wear: Normal
Fuel consumption: Normal
Pit stops: Not required

Server: simracing.org.uk Monday
Password: see above

Notes:
(1) It's best if all drivers can make sure they are connected before the Qualifying session as drivers on track during qualifying will not see cars that join after they are on track until they go back to the garage.
(2) Please make sure you are fully aware of the SimRacing.org.uk Rules.
(3) The AI control should be turned off so that you have control of the car at all times, including pitting. Your player file should therefore read
Autopit="0"
Force Autopit Off="1" // Forces autopit always off
No AI Control="1" // AI never has control over car
If you still finding pitting problematic, experience tells us that its less to do with positioning and more to do with approach speed. A slow approach to pit crew chief has proved most reliable.

Special Notes: None

« Last Edit: January 07, 2014, 09:10:53 PM +0000 by Wiltshire Tony » Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2013, 05:36:01 PM +0000 »

Race announcement revised

Porsche 917L removed from series.
Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2013, 11:48:32 PM +0000 »

Race announcement revised

Rule change regarding No. of drives per make.
Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2014, 09:32:07 PM +0000 »

Race announcement revised

Message and link for Modern tyre fix added.
Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

EvilClive
UKGPL Senior Consultant
UKGPL Moderators
Hero Member
****
Posts: 5870


I always play by the rules.... they are MY rules!


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2014, 12:42:43 PM +0100 »

I don't seem to get much luck in joining this particular series, but I will give it a try this evening as these cars are something different.

Can anyone give me any clues to a reasonable lap time? just so I know how far off the pace I am.
Logged

Evil Waza, now a completely reformed character!

Rank   Only when I sweat
Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2014, 12:51:10 PM +0100 »

I don't seem to get much luck in joining this particular series, but I will give it a try this evening as these cars are something different.

Can anyone give me any clues to a reasonable lap time? just so I know how far off the pace I am.

Here is a link to a similar race at this venue https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9499.msg172317#msg172317
Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

Erling G-P
Full Member
***
Posts: 1121



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2014, 05:56:06 PM +0100 »

Can anyone give me any clues to a reasonable lap time? just so I know how far off the pace I am.

Ah, quit yer whining..  Grin

You always moan about not being fast enough, but come race time, you're always one of the bloody quickest around..  Wink

I've done a 1:49 in the 917, which I'm not using, and 1:51 - 1:52 in 512 and Lola.   Where that puts me in the field, I have no idea, except behind Goldtop of course...  Cheesy

Cheers,
Erling
Logged
Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2014, 06:50:27 PM +0100 »

Sadly, we may be Bill'less tonight. He's having wheel difficulties (well more than usual  Wink )
Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

EvilClive
UKGPL Senior Consultant
UKGPL Moderators
Hero Member
****
Posts: 5870


I always play by the rules.... they are MY rules!


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2014, 08:04:50 PM +0100 »

Can anyone give me any clues to a reasonable lap time? just so I know how far off the pace I am.

Ah, quit yer whining..  Grin

You always moan about not being fast enough, but come race time, you're always one of the bloody quickest around..  Wink

I've done a 1:49 in the 917, which I'm not using, and 1:51 - 1:52 in 512 and Lola.   Where that puts me in the field, I have no idea, except behind Goldtop of course...  Cheesy

Cheers,
Erling

lol .  Grin

OK!!,  I have to admit that I seem to have found how to drive some of the cars in GTL, and some better than others. But I still find it difficult to know if I am at least "in the mix" when it comes to cars like these.

This is so far removed from my GPL experience, because these GT cars have more of everything...speed, power. grip, handling etc. So I don't know until race night and I get onto the server what constitutes a reasonable lap time. It might feel quick to me, but actually I could be 5 seconds or more behind the grid  Huh. I could even be 5 seconds ahead, but that is a little unlikely I think  LOL.

The other problem I moan about is my lack of experience with each car option. Choosing from a list is good fun, but only if you have any idea what are the attributes of each car. At the moment I might as well use alphabetical order as I havn't a clue which is best. The only thing I will say is that the audio for the T70 Lola Maserati is awesome!!!  Wink


Edit at 21:40...after the race. oops

Hmmmm it seems that I AM on the pace, at least in this race. Roll Eyes

My previous attempts in this series have been dismal at best, but somehow it all clicked this time. Maybe it is because I am beginning to get the feel of GTL...I don't know?

When I saw 1:47's in practice I knew I could be in with a chance of some good racing as I had managed that in offline practice. When I pulled a 1:45 banzai lap on race setup in quali I was beginning to feel a little embarrassed about my comments on the forum. I honestly thought that I was several seconds off of a really quick lap  Undecided

It was a great race with GT until I made a mistake about 4 laps from the end and ran wide. Until that point there was never more than 2 secs between us and it was noticeable that each car was stronger at certain points of the circuit. At half distance I thought to myself "these tyres are NEVER going to last the race at this pace" and i tried to be a little more gentle with the right foot. Not easy when you are fighting GT for every tenth of a second!!!

Apologies to anyone who feels I was sandbagging ( especially Erling ), but I honestly was not. From now on I will post my PB in offline practice...if I have managed any before race night.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2014, 09:57:09 PM +0100 by EvilClive » Logged

Evil Waza, now a completely reformed character!

Rank   Only when I sweat
Wiltshire Tony
Director, UKGTL
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Hero Member
****
Posts: 12169


"I'd rather be Sim-Racing" said Noddy


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2014, 10:31:13 PM +0100 »

Replay and results now posted.

Congrats to SG for his race finish  clap

Can I respectfully remind all drivers that chat in qually should be kept to the minimum please, thank you.  Kiss
Logged

The only UK based GTL community which races every Wednesday night. We are always looking for new drivers of all ages and abilities. GTL here since 2006.

goldtop
Director, RRE
SimRacing.org.uk Staff
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 3903


Team KC


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2014, 11:18:49 PM +0100 »

That was a tough race  sweatdrop

Was under pressure right from the start and having just managed to pull a small gap a few laps into the race I ran wide into the gravel allowing Clive though  Roll Eyes. Gave chase but had a devil of a job closing him down and even then was never really in a position to have a go at getting past.

Eventually I was able to sneak through as Clive made a mistake but he still managed to chase me down again and very nearly got me down the inside at the back of the course with a few laps to go. Hope that was ok btw Clive, I thought I'd left you enough room to turn in but you appeared to run a bit deep and we had a bit of a coming together. Haven't seen the replay but I'll have a look if you felt I was in the wrong.

Anyway, great racing and good fun especially when those tyres started to give up  Shocked
Logged

TOP TIP: READ THE RACE ANNOUNCEMENT Smiley
EvilClive
UKGPL Senior Consultant
UKGPL Moderators
Hero Member
****
Posts: 5870


I always play by the rules.... they are MY rules!


View Profile
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2014, 08:29:56 AM +0100 »

NP GT.

 I have not looked at any replay, but as far as I am concerned it was a racing incident.

Yes, I thought I had you, when I nailed the exit of the previous corner and you were just a fraction slower.
 I ran late on the brakes down the inside and although I was sure that I could have held the inside line earlier in the race, with worn tyres and tired brakes I needed an extra 10mtrs of tarmac  Undecided. I could claim that it was a tactical "block pass", but that would be stretching the truth  Roll Eyes.

If we ran this race again I think I would drop the final drive ratio one notch because the engine just dropped "off the cam" out of 2 or 3 slower corners and I was only maxing out in 5th at the end of the straight, so maybe there was more to come from the Alfa. (I think I need to get some ear plugs though , because that engine is very much like Mabel singing opera when it is at high high revs!!)

All in all a fun race from flag to (almost) flag. If I had not gone off at that point the last few laps could have been very intense  Wink Although throughout the race you were a fraction quicker in the last sector and I gained in the first sector it all balanced out into a great battle.

At the risk of rousing Erling again  Grin.  Is the Alfa considered a faster car than the Lola? or are all of this set of cars about equal?

Logged

Evil Waza, now a completely reformed character!

Rank   Only when I sweat
Erling G-P
Full Member
***
Posts: 1121



View Profile
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2014, 08:37:40 AM +0100 »


At the risk of rousing Erling again  Grin.  Is the Alfa considered a faster car than the Lola? or are all of this set of cars about equal?

Lol, I can only speak for myself, and for me the Alfa is definitely faster than the Lola.  Yesterday, I improved my pb to 1:47.2, while the best I could manage in the 917 was 1:49.  Could probably have improved the latter with more practice, but I think it shows the Alfa to be quicker than you might expect at first glance.

You speak about maxing out in 5th.  You do realise the Alfa is 6-speed ?

Cheers,
Erling
Logged
Erling G-P
Full Member
***
Posts: 1121



View Profile
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2014, 10:49:00 AM +0100 »

The other problem I moan about is my lack of experience with each car option. Choosing from a list is good fun, but only if you have any idea what are the attributes of each car. At the moment I might as well use alphabetical order as I haven't a clue which is best. The only thing I will say is that the audio for the T70 Lola Maserati is awesome!!!  Wink

Well some GTL drivers may know the circuits and cars so intimately, that they can work out which car to use where at a glance.  I'm certainly not one of them.  Knew I wanted the 917 on Le Mans, since the two are inextricably connected in my mind.  Likewise, I knew I wouldn't survive trying to use it at Nürburgring.  Other than that, I've had to try each car on each circuit, to see which ones work best for me.  Sometimes that results in surprises. On Imola for example, the 512 was the best choice for me, while I've hated it on some of the earlier tracks.  Most of the circuits are new to me too - or at least in the vintage we're using here.  With regards to audio; try listening to Tony's 312 from TV view in replay. Spine tinglingly good  drool

Yesterday's race;  I improved my pb several times during qualy, but still embarrassed by the times of GT & Clive.  At the start, Clive wobbled, so I could poke my nose ahead of him, but he retained the position - except for Postal making a lightning start, shooting past us both.  Clive got past him on L1, but I remained behind for several laps.  Very focused on avoiding an incident, given our history, so had to maintain sufficient gap for me to react when he braked, which was earlier than required for the Alfa.  The laps piled on, with me in hot pursuit, looking for an opportunity, but someone who bloc.. DEFENDS  Grin as well as Postal can be difficult to pass.

Could see from my laptimes that I was loosing time, and up ahead, Clive & GT was getting away (not that I could have hung with them anyway). Frustration mounting, as I was getting deja-vu of Nürburgring, where I was stuck behind Postal for virtually the entire race.  On lap 8 however, when he twitched, going into the lefthander leading to the start-grid, I made an - unsuccessful - attempt up the inside. It set me up to do the same though, at the following righthander, this time getting past.  We were side by side down the start/finish straight, Postal applying Porsche power to regain the position.  Knew I could outbrake him at the upcoming righthander, and did so.  From then on I could use the curvy sections to build a gap.

After the intense dicing with Postal, the race now turned very lonely. Clive & GT were now 30 secs ahead, and despite basically driving the remainder of the race as an extended qualifying session, I couldn't make the slightest chink in their lead.  In fact, the smallest errors on my behalf promptly resulted in the gap growing, sometimes by several humiliating seconds.  Only other cars I saw were Tony and Geezer when I lapped them, and then Postal, whom I caught on the final lap.  Still happy for a podium finish of course.

Grats to GT and especially Clive (Mr. I-Haven't-Got-A-Clue..  Wink).  You managed to stay ahead of GT for many laps. NO ONE ELSE has done that in the entire series so far !!  (Mr. I-Have-In-Fact-Got-An-Abundance-Of-Clues..  Grin)

Cheers,
Erling
« Last Edit: July 15, 2014, 05:47:59 PM +0100 by Erling G-P » Logged
EvilClive
UKGPL Senior Consultant
UKGPL Moderators
Hero Member
****
Posts: 5870


I always play by the rules.... they are MY rules!


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2014, 11:19:30 AM +0100 »

LOL Erling.

At least your assertion that the Alfa is the quicker car puts a reality check into last nights race. I did not expect to be able to live with ( let alone lead!!) GT for the whole race. The one thing I do have in my locker is years of race experience and a strong survival instinct  Roll Eyes

Yes, I was aware that the Alfa was 6 speed, but years of GPL conditioning, where hitting the red line regularly results in a nice display of conrods and crankshafts spread across the track made me a little conservative in the gear ratio department and I had set up the car to upshift with 750 revs to spare.

It was only when I was really pushing hard to make up tenths on GT and thrashing the poor Alfa, that I realised I was not using 6th gear at all??!!  Undecided and I was just hitting the rev limit in 5th when I backed off for the corner at the end of the straight.
Whether that means I was denying myself an extra 20 kph or not is an open question........but certainly worth dropping the final drive ratio a notch or two next time Wink especially as the engine revs dropped "off the cam" in a couple of the slower corners and I was caught between gears.
Logged

Evil Waza, now a completely reformed character!

Rank   Only when I sweat
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Hosted by DaveGymer.com
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.233 seconds with 52 queries.
anything