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November 05, 2013, 09:38:40 PM +0000 - Bathurst - UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Novices Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
IvanStanchev
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 2:09.314
108.756mph
1 39:52.180
105.822mph
18 2:10.908
107.432mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +2.246
106.899mph
2 +16.594
105.093mph
18 2:12.052
106.501mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 7 +3.730
105.707mph
3 +26.560
104.660mph
18 2:12.364
106.250mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +4.034
105.466mph
4 +33.355
104.367mph
18 2:12.172
106.404mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +4.677
104.960mph
5 +39.058
104.122mph
18 2:12.943
105.787mph
Goodyear  
happyal
 Clark-Hill Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 4 +2.138
106.987mph
6 +1:06.247
102.971mph
18 2:12.622
106.043mph
Dunlop  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.884
108.018mph
7 +1:30.883
101.949mph
18 2:11.897
106.626mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +2.455
106.730mph
8 +1:31.144
101.938mph
18 2:13.343
105.470mph
Goodyear  
Nigel Smith
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 13 9 +2:12.473
100.270mph
18 2:14.175
104.816mph
Goodyear  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 3 +1.592
107.433mph
10 +12L
100.062mph
6 2:13.035
105.714mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Boggy
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 10 +10.955
100.262mph
11 +18L
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 11 +18.455
95.173mph
12
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0 ---
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Disco
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 12 13 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

The first lap was clean.


Server replay time: 0h00m56s

Walter C. has a slow start so Al B. can pass him before T1. But Al's braking point is such early that Walter is surprised and touches his rear right, luckily Al is nearly unaffected.

The victim slowed unexpectedly and the shunter was too close to take avoiding action.

November 05, 2013, 09:38:40 PM +0000 - Bathurst - UKGPL Season 25 (2013) Intermediates Trophy (65)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
IvanStanchev
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 1 2:09.314
108.756mph
1 39:52.180
105.822mph
18 2:10.908
107.432mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +2.246
106.899mph
2 +16.594
105.093mph
18 2:12.052
106.501mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 5 +3.730
105.707mph
3 +26.560
104.660mph
18 2:12.364
106.250mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 4 +2.455
106.730mph
4 +1:31.144
101.938mph
18 2:13.343
105.470mph
Goodyear  
Johnny.P
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 2 +1.592
107.433mph
5 +12L
100.062mph
6 2:13.035
105.714mph
Disco
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 6 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

The first lap was clean besides Pauls little trouble in the last turn...

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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2013, 09:53:41 PM +0000 »

Really disappointed- I lost control at the last turn and took Al with me -really sorry Al. I spent hours practicing this track but could not sort out my braking into the first and last turns. Which ever car I used it would swap ends...really frustrating.. I had to put bias well forward but to no avail. Grats to the podium. Sad
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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2013, 09:54:55 PM +0000 »

Hit a sticky barrier at turn 3, lap 1. Worst night in GPL so far.
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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2013, 10:07:55 PM +0000 »

Managed to get internet up in time for 1 qualifying lap then disco'ed on back straight lap 1. Never got a taster Paul
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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2013, 11:26:02 PM +0000 »

I am really disappointed for Boggy and Tony.

Silverstone next though and there are no sticky barriers there and it is an original.

Just a quick shout out for GTL.

Raced Spa last night and it was awesome (I wasn't Wink). Looks great and the racing is really good fun. If you can fit in a Monday night it is great fun and very GPL like.

Now, back to Bathurst GPL style. Lap 1, cautious but still managed to dump it at the last turn (feel for you Johnny). That put me last but one with Walter miles back. Chased down Bill Dave and Nigel with ease and then got mugged by a mountain Sad This time the chase was MUCH harder. Finally caught Nigel and managed to muscle past. We had a bit of a tangle but I was relieved to see him still running. Then Al fell into our clutches with some spinny stuff and we had a bit of a battle which ended when my engine went pop. I had led him by quite a distance and he simply reeled me in. I had to stop and I had about 800 yards on Walter but at 160mph that doesn't last long and he was soon on my tail. We swapped places a couple of times and then he hit the barrier at T1 with two laps to go. I thought I had him then but he was MUCH better out of the last turn and caught me in the mountains as well so that 150 yard lead simply evaporated. He drafted past me on the final straight and held it round the corner even though I got a better exit.

Great racing. Pity about the position Wink

Big congrats to Ivan - different class and all the other podium guys - good steady stuff.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 12:33:04 AM +0000 »

Just a quick shout out for GTL . . . .

Been there - tried it - soon got bored with it.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2013, 10:42:18 AM +0000 »

Congrats to Ivan and the podium.

I was surprised by my quali time, I managed a mid 2:12 fairly quickly, which was by far my best time in all my practices. I didn't think I would beat that, but wanted to still learn the track, and managed to pick up a tow from Paul. I was really pleased with my 2:11 time, it was so much faster than I thought that I could manage here.

My start was OK, I managed to get ahead of Rainer into the first corner, and I think we had a little bump, but it didn't really effect me and I carried on undisturbed. Johnny had managed to get the lead, but Ivan was all over him. It was only a matter of time before Ivan got past and left us all for dead. I managed to pick up a tow from Johnny and got a run on him. I took second place and held it for a lap or two. Finally Johnny managed to get into my tow, and got past me on the straight, I gave him the inside but didn't make it easy for him, and in the end that was a mistake. He ran wide and had no where else to go apart from me.

After my stop and go I was around Paul, but ahead at this point. The red mist came down and I ended up having one of those horrible slow motion spins that you can't do anything about. I was pretty much side on, in the middle of the track, at a very narrow part. I tried to do a quick spin, but the track was too narrow. I saw on Prib that Paul was very near, so I decided that the best thing to do was stay still until he past, which seem to be OK. I got going again and started to chase Paul down. We had a good little battle until he disappeared, which I later found out was his engine going pop. after that I was on my own, unable to catch anyone ahead, and under no real pressure from behind.

I'm pretty sure that I'm not going to be able to make the next race, so I wish you guys luck and I'll see you in Zolder.
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2013, 11:07:23 AM +0000 »

Grats Ivan,

Keep the soggy flag flying!   
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2013, 12:38:37 PM +0000 »

Seems there is a certain amount of pre-race blagging & bluffing going on, with various drivers complaining how slow they are. Turn up on race day & these guys are about 3 seconds faster than they claim.
I was under the impression that my 2.14 practice times would be quite reasonable – sadly it was very much back of the grid. On occasions a bit slower but consistent is a good formula. The speed merchants took turns to visit the scenery – although Ivan, Dave R, Rog showed why they were on the podium. My one mistake of any note was running a little wide in T1 about lap 3 which allowed Dave C to nip in front. I think we stayed in touch the whole race – which kept things interesting – but I never got close enough to use the tow.
Next up, Silverstone – usually pretty good fun & I know what the benchmark times are going to be.
As mentioned in Chat last night the Novices championship is shaping up for a tightly contested finish – although the team championship is destined for the Black Night trophy cabinet.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2013, 12:45:06 PM +0000 »

Just a quick shout out for GTL . . . .

Been there - tried it - soon got bored with it.

That's disappointing to hear. Was that recently or some while ago? Be great if we could change your opinion.
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2013, 01:19:08 PM +0000 »

Seems there is a certain amount of pre-race blagging & bluffing going on, with various drivers complaining how slow they are. Turn up on race day & these guys are about 3 seconds faster than they claim.
I was under the impression that my 2.14 practice times would be quite reasonable


I promise that my off line practice time where 2:15 on a good lap, the only difference is that I tend to practice with full tanks. I don;t know if it's the added competition or just I concentrate more but I do often find I'm able to go faster in Quali that I have been off line.

I'm disappointed to be missing Silverstone, I wish you the best of luck, and I'll have to do my best to claw back the points I'm going to miss  out on.
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2013, 01:51:34 PM +0000 »

In the days before the race, I tried several cars, setups and the advice found https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=11940.0. I found that I was quickest in the BT11 with Hristo's spring rate advice. My laptime dropped into 2:12's in my last practice race. I was quite surprised at my pace in the Qually, but it was all for not, as the start of the race was my undoing. I must have started a tenth of second too late, and I lost at least a couple of positions. I followed the Ferrari's of Happyal and J. Pennington into turn one. I made the mistake of following too close, and braking too late. I was mad at myself because I knew better than to do that.

I am sorry to Happyal (A. Baldwin65) for the bump going into turn 1 lap 1, and I am sorry to anyone else involved (I do not have a replay). I waited in the T1 runoff area for the field to pass. I could still see someone in my mirror, and I did not know if it was someone that I had taken out. My prib data had not updated yet. So I pulled over at the top of the hill and waited for a bit. I am guessing that was Tony, and he hit escape in T3. I lost my concentration, and I hit a number of unmovable barriers. I used the shift - R and s&g once. It was all very frustrating at the time, but I kept going because I did not want to lose too many points to my rivals in the Novice championship. Alas, my rivals were well and gone, but I had fun dicing with Paul for 7th place.

Thank you everyone for the race, I hope to learn from my mistakes. I am truly looking forward to the next race.
Cheers,
Walter

BTW, I hope to try out GT Legends soon. I just bought it for a really good deal. http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/Superpower-Sims-Bundle/

My start was OK, I managed to get ahead of Rainer into the first corner, and I think we had a little bump, but it didn't really effect me and I carried on undisturbed.
 
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2013, 02:15:05 PM +0000 »

Really disappointed- I lost control at the last turn and took Al with me -really sorry Al. I spent hours practicing this track but could not sort out my braking into the first and last turns. Which ever car I used it would swap ends...really frustrating.. I had to put bias well forward but to no avail. Grats to the podium. Sad

This reminded me of some of my set-up testing. I saw in a practice replay that the front of my car scraped the ground under braking for the last turn (when testing softer springs with 3 inch ride height). I do not think that would explain the situation going into turn one though. 
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2013, 08:46:29 PM +0000 »

It is difficult to know what the problem was Walter- my recent dip in form and results coincides with using my wheel and peddles online instead of the trusty gamepad so it's back to the pad for Silverstone. We raced there in the novs in season 23 with Giovannis lotus lapping in the 1.32s and my bt11 was over a second slower.
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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2013, 08:59:45 PM +0000 »

BTW, I hope to try out GT Legends soon. I just bought it for a really good deal. http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/Superpower-Sims-Bundle/

There again - will there be enough time for GTL?  What with Rig'n'Roll  & not to mention Agricultural Simulator *EXTENDED* edition?!

I must admit,  I nearly purchased GTL a few months ago (seemed only fair with the exchanges taking place).  But then realised that I hardly have enough time for multiple GPL series, let alone dipping into that too at the time.  However,  for a couple of quid - hmmm... maybe... 

As for GTL not being Maddog's cup of tea - I bet there are plenty of folk that would be none too interested in driving cars that resemble insects & instead prefer something more akin to real road-going metal.  Each to their own of course!


oh -  I suppose I should have wittered on about the race last night.
I tried the track the night before with 3 cars & the 'same' setup.  Managed a mid 2:13 with BT11,  so that won out.  In fact,  it permitted me to 'beat' a couple of big-hitters on the test server;  although in reality I probably just made smaller errors.

Didn't know what to expect time-wise,  everybody else seemed too quick in qually.
Had some close running for a while with Billy & Nigel.   Maybe with a couple of slight errors, I even made a couple of overtakes!  Yay!

ok, some carnage ahead helped [looking back at the replay of the 2x Ferraris at the last turn - looked impressive from the following positions!]   but provisional 4th overall was more than acceptable - although the running was otherwise lonely out there.   At times, I seemed to be closing in on Rog & could see that speck a little larger at times,  but was too in reality too far in the distance.     I didn't really get much of a tow,  but Billy was never far behind & that was pushing me on.

Cheers chaps,
Dave.



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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2013, 10:49:24 PM +0000 »

  . . . . . . . .  Each to their own of course!

What keeps you coming back, Dave?  Wink
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