UKPnG Season 9 British Historic Cup - Oulton Park (Classic) - Jan 23rd

[Mark J]

Done some initial testing online...

Alfa 2000gta 1:46.3
Porsche ST. 1:46.6
Escort Rs1600 1:43.3

Saw Niels do a 1:47.2 in the Escort TC so expect him or other quickish guys to get that in the 46's too and aliens to be a sec quicker than me!
 my tests were on full race fuel for the event. Only did about 6 laps in each so times are subject to improvement  

So seems the cars are all closely matched with the exception of the RS1600 which is too fast by 3 secs!

Cars feel fantastic on this fast flowing circuit  

Edit: times corrected.

[Clive Loynes]

Done some initial testing online...

Alfa 2000gta 1:56.3
Porsche ST. 1:56.6
Escort Rs1600 1:53.3

Saw Niels do a 1:57.2 in the Escort TC so expect him or other quickish guys to get that in the 56's too and aliens to be a sec quicker than me!
 my tests were on full race fuel for the event. Only did about 6 laps in each so times are subject to improvement 

So seems the cars are all closely matched with the exception of the RS1600 which is too fast by 3 secs!

Cars feel fantastic on this fast flowing circuit 

When I was watching that was

Alfa 2000gta 1:46.3
Porsche ST. 1:46.6
Escort Rs1600 1:43.3

Giuseppe was also doing 1:43s in the 1600 Alfa.

My best was a low 1:47, in race session with full fuel, using the 2000 Alfa.

[Mark J]

Oops sorry yes meant 46 not 56  . Well spotted and corrected Clive!

Wow that's a great time in the 1600cc Alfa by Guiseppe

[Giuseppe Reali]

Clive forgot to specify that I used Alfa 1600SA, the one with the volumetric compressor 
The car is my favourite Alfas  really powerful, definitely worth trying 
The problem is that it has a small fuel tank, 60 liters, and to finish the race you need a pit.

Ciaooo 

[Hotkeys]

Clive forgot to specify that I used Alfa 1600SA, the one with the volumetric compressor 
The car is my favourite Alfas  really powerful, definitely worth trying 
The problem is that it has a small fuel tank, 60 liters, and to finish the race you need a pit.

Ciaooo 

I also like the Alfa 1600 SA, so perhaps we could make Matt change the number of laps to 23 ?

Actually that will equal 40 minutes of racing


Stig

[Mark J]

Sorry Stig/Guiseppe I think the opposite, if the 1600sa and rs1600 are 3 secs quicker than all the other cars available, then clearly they are too quick for this group of cars and should be dropped.
I think Matt plonked the RS1600 in as he thought the porker was quicker than the others but in times so far the 911 proved to be on an even keel with the alfa2000 & TC escorts.  The Alfa 1600SA has been a surprise as don't think any of us knew it was so much quicker than a 2L version!

[Hotkeys]

Sorry Stig/Guiseppe I think the opposite, if the 1600sa and rs1600 are 3 secs quicker than all the other cars available, then clearly they are too quick for this group of cars and should be dropped.
I think Matt plonked the RS1600 in as he thought the porker was quicker than the others but in times so far the 911 proved to be on an even keel with the alfa2000 & TC escorts.  The Alfa 1600SA has been a surprise as don't think any of us knew it was so much quicker than a 2L version!

A lot depends on, who's behind the wheel Mark. I wont get anywhere near Guiseppes times in the SA 1600,and Soggy's 'secret' setup-manager Erik Can do 1.43.700 in the Porsche. I'm pretty sure John and some of the other Aces can do 43's in the Porsche as well:-))

Stig

[Mark J]

Ah 43's eh?....flipping ace drivers, seems I need to do more laps in the 911 then    so hard to judge the cars relative performance to each other when an alien can grab a few extra secs out of the same car  
We need the aliens to provide car set test times  

Though that surely means an alien in the Rs or 1600SA is going to do a 1.41 as I managed a 43 in it? so perhaps my 'mortal' test times are still valid 

[EvilClive]

Oops sorry yes meant 46 not 56  . Well spotted and corrected Clive!

Wow that's a great time in the 1600cc Alfa by Guiseppe

What a way to burst someone's balloon eh?? 

The fastest guys are only doing 1:53's!!!! and I knocked 3 secs off that on my 2nd lap with cold tyres!!!  Ah! must have the wrong circuit, that would explain it....but no, the track is the right one. Must be the wrong car then?  nope I have the Escort TC!!............Wow!!  Did I feel good or what???......

,,,,,well I did for about 4 hrs until I checked the forum again!!!

[NPP]

Sorry Stig/Guiseppe I think the opposite, if the 1600sa and rs1600 are 3 secs quicker than all the other cars available, then clearly they are too quick for this group of cars and should be dropped.
I think Matt plonked the RS1600 in as he thought the porker was quicker than the others but in times so far the 911 proved to be on an even keel with the alfa2000 & TC escorts.  The Alfa 1600SA has been a surprise as don't think any of us knew it was so much quicker than a 2L version!

A lot depends on, who's behind the wheel Mark. I wont get anywhere near Guiseppes times in the SA 1600,and Soggy's 'secret' setup-manager Erik Can do 1.43.700 in the Porsche. I'm pretty sure John and some of the other Aces can do 43's in the Porsche as well:-))

Stig

very much so. I was checking out the supercharged Alfa when unexpectedly the session changed to race and I just about could keep up with the Alfa 2000 once I stopped running off the track. So it's more the driver than the car.

tonight I checked the Escort RS which is considerably faster than the TC and handles better.

I could really do with some help on setups for the slower Escort but just as in real life, the quick guys get the pro testers and the backmarker teams are out on their own

EDITED TO ADD:

There's a confusingly large number of Escorts available. Yesterday I ran the quickest of the ordinary TCs, today the RS but then discovered that there's also a TC FVA available which is closer to the RS than to the other TCs. Is this allowed as well? Unfortunately the server disappeared so I had to test offline.

[EvilClive]

?? I only have a couple of Escorts showing as available...  TC and FVA

3 Alphas...1300 junior, 1600 and 1600 SA

Someone has nicked the Porsche, must've left the keys in it 

I am assuming that there are some downloads I should be looking for?

[Clive Loynes]

?? I only have a couple of Escorts showing as available...  TC and FVA

3 Alphas...1300 junior, 1600 and 1600 SA

Someone has nicked the Porsche, must've left the keys in it  

I am assuming that there are some downloads I should be looking for?

Assuming that you are off-line, as the server has vanished, you need to make sure that you have the car group set to PnG, ie all of them, not one of the sub-sets.


EDIT:  And like Niels, I don't really understand which cars I can use.  Is it any Ford with "TC" in its name?

[Mark J]

Where's the confusion Clive? It says RS1600 1971 only or AllEscort TC's...simples. 

[Clive Loynes]

Where's the confusion Clive? It says RS1600 1971 only or AllEscort TC's...simples. 

I haven't memorised PnG's list of cars but I'm sure that there is something under the general heading of Escort that causes me confusion.  What about the FVA that Evil has mentioned?


And what about a word from Matt on the subject of which cars are still going to be on the list come Thursday!

[phspok]

Been away for the weekend.

Ok. I ran the 2.5ST 911 against the fastest escort-TC, and it was 2 secs faster, so I set it as any TCs and the slower of the RS-1600s
I got the slow RS1600s a sec or so faster than the 911 2.5 which mean with a proper pork herder it should have a slight advantage
The Alfa volumetric is fast in the right hands, (as will be the Porche) I can't really allow for alien time too much, I have to take an average
Are you sure you were using the slower RS1600 Mark? I will adjust tommorow night after I have looked at times, though I believed
I had a decent mix. If the slower RS-1600 is 2 secs faster than everything else for most people it will be dropped.
I was trying to get a different mix of cars than when we ran this event last January.