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  • S26Fri Monza: January 17, 2014
January 17, 2014, 10:14:11 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Friday Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 2 +0.160
134.236mph
1 29:08.947
132.400mph
18 1:36.092
133.877mph
Dunlop  
Mark Jones
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 3 +0.726
133.448mph
2 +8.815
131.736mph
18 1:35.923
134.113mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 10 +1.540
132.330mph
3 +9.021
131.721mph
18 1:35.795
134.292mph
Dunlop  
GregT
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 8 +1.228
132.756mph
4 +20.933
130.834mph
18 1:35.447
134.782mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 4 +0.769
133.388mph
5 +26.455
130.427mph
18 1:35.336
134.939mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 11 +1.548
132.320mph
6 +27.299
130.365mph
18 1:35.059
135.332mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 5 +0.981
133.096mph
7 +27.472
130.353mph
18 1:35.872
134.184mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T84 GPL F2 13 +2.255
131.364mph
8 +28.604
130.270mph
18 1:36.852
132.826mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 14 +2.291
131.316mph
9 +35.096
129.796mph
18 1:35.669
134.469mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 7 +1.156
132.855mph
10 +35.356
129.777mph
18 1:36.755
132.960mph
Dunlop  
AndyL
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 9 +1.425
132.487mph
11 +1:06.753
127.533mph
18 1:36.744
132.975mph
Dunlop  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 15 +6.184
126.297mph
12 +1:13.151
127.085mph
18 1:36.427
133.412mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 17 13 +1:26.577
126.155mph
18 1:37.014
132.605mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 6 +1.009
133.057mph
14 +10L
125.247mph
8 1:35.673
134.463mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T84 GPL F2 1 1:35.675
134.460mph
15 +11L
126.435mph
7 1:36.885
132.781mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 12 +1.595
132.256mph
16 +14L
125.359mph
4 1:37.371
132.118mph
Disco
Goodyear  
UKGPL 8
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 16 17 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

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Lap 8 and the Curve Grande incident.
Although the results of this contact were somewhat spectacular and involved several cars as the aftermath unfolded I am reluctant to apply any penalties.
4 cars are approaching Curve Grande and D Curtis has used the speed of his Matra to carry him to the front of the group. Ronnie is to his outside and prevents Dave from moving wide onto the racing line. Dean has been opportunist and tucked in behind the Matra to benefit from the slipstream and is closing on Dave into CG. There is a 4th car that is keeping a safe distance but he is not involved until later.
I think perhaps it is a little unfair to place all the blame on Dave's shoulders because he slowed suddenly for CG. I am mindful of the fact that he was jousting with 2 very experienced drivers who would have expected him to carry far more speed into the corner and still hold the inside line. However Dave admits that he was aware of Ronnie alongside him and did not want to risk sliding wide and collecting him, so he downshifts and brakes. This sudden and unexpected decrease in speed catches Dean completely cold and he hits the rear of Dave's Matra.
The result is that all 4 cars are involved in the incident, one of which loses a wheel and is left parked on the racing line. As he attempts to get himself out of the way 2 more cars make contact and further mayhem ensues.
If Dave felt that he could not have held a tight line and carry his speed through CG, he is not at fault. One could say that he should not have put himself in a position where he was forced to reduce speed so dramatically, but it was not a malicious act. Although our rules stae that it is the following car that must be sure to avoid any contact, it would be harsh to place the blame on Dean.
Although as an innocent victim in all of this I would have liked to give everyone a 5 place penalty, I have to call this a Racing Incident.

  • Racing incident


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Walter Conn has been honest enough to confess to using 2 x S/R and has been sent to the naughty step. Oh! and he has also been DQ'd

  • Racing incident


After last season's almost blemish free behaviour, it looks like the incident fairy finally found us!


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Lap 5 on the entry to Parabolica Fran attempts to pass Dean around the outside. dean has taken a defensive inside line and hugs the kerb. Dean touches the kerb and is deflected slightly . Meanwhile Fran has drawn alongside Dean but is very close and the 2 cars touch sending Fran out into the gravel trap.
Fran was quite entitled to attempt the pass, however he should have kept his car on the outer 50% of the track width and left Dean with the inside 50%. If he had kept to his own side of the tarmac there would have been no contact as Dean's deflection off the kerb was minimal and quickly corrected.
as Fran was the one who suffered most I am calling this a Racing Incoident but with an advisory note to Fran to keep to his half of the track when passing other cars

  • Racing incident


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Lap 10 and Fran has drafted Ronnie on the run to Lesmo 1 and puts his car down the inside. Ronnie moves across to take the racing line and makes contact with Fran who is fully alongside.
It looks like Ronnie lost sight of Fran, and did not expect him to be there.
Ronnie does leave some room but not enough and is punted into the armco by Fran who is clearly alongside and on his own side of the track. Once again I think the person who made the error suffered most, so I am calling a Racing Incident with a cautionary note about watching where other cars are.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h05m50s

Lap 4 and Fran and mark are side by side going towards Curve Grande. From the server replay it looks like Mark does twitch the steering wheel just before the contact and his car moves slightly to the right.
Unfortunately Fran is right alongside and contact is made at just about the fastest point on the track. Mark is spun out and Fran continues.
From the server evidence it looks like the "twitch" by Mark is to blame, but maybe Fran would have been wiser to leave a just little more room between the cars.

Racing Incident

  • Racing incident

January 17, 2014, 11:11:15 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Friday Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.029
145.392mph
1 30:06.973
142.400mph
20 1:29.231
144.183mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M9A F1 1969 3 +0.030
145.391mph
2 +12.440
141.426mph
20 1:28.594
145.220mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +2.552
141.362mph
3 +19.072
140.912mph
20 1:28.411
145.521mph
Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 12 +2.177
141.947mph
4 +19.425
140.885mph
20 1:27.781
146.565mph
Firestone  
Mark Jones
 
Matra MS84 F1 1969 1 1:28.460
145.440mph
5 +19.892
140.849mph
20 1:28.694
145.056mph
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
McLaren M9A F1 1969 7 +1.084
143.679mph
6 +22.080
140.681mph
20 1:28.682
145.076mph
Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 4 +0.572
144.506mph
7 +31.284
139.976mph
20 1:28.945
144.647mph
Dunlop  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M9A F1 1969 6 +0.951
143.893mph
8 +34.414
139.738mph
20 1:28.620
145.177mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
McLaren M9A F1 1969 11 +1.818
142.511mph
9 +40.760
139.259mph
20 1:29.192
144.246mph
Dunlop  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (1969) F1 1969 8 +1.106
143.644mph
10 +58.123
137.962mph
20 1:29.421
143.877mph
Firestone  
AndyL
 
Lotus 49 (1969) F1 1969 13 +2.265
141.809mph
11 +1:11.136
137.006mph
20 1:30.441
142.254mph
Firestone  
GregT
 
Matra MS84 F1 1969 10 +1.580
142.888mph
12 +1:11.358
136.990mph
20 1:29.130
144.347mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 15 +2.532
141.393mph
13 +1:21.290
136.269mph
20 1:29.607
143.578mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T86b (1969) F1 1969 17 +5.635
136.730mph
14 +1:21.977
136.220mph
20 1:31.828
140.106mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS84 F1 1969 14 +2.477
141.478mph
15 +1:22.230
136.202mph
20 1:30.345
142.406mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49 (1969) F1 1969 9 +1.388
143.193mph
16 +18L
124.983mph
2 1:33.086
138.212mph
Disco
Firestone  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 63 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +0.907
143.964mph
17 +20L
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Disco
Firestone  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 18 +21.493
117.010mph
18 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 8
 
McLaren M9A F1 1969 19 19 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Although there are no reported incidents, this race was not without its share of contacts and exchanging of paint and rubber samples. I counted 10 cars involved at Curve Grande lap 1 and a further 3 or 4 at Parabolica on the same Lap!! Just a little more care and leave a few metres more room and these things would not happen so often.


Server replay time: 0

Nicky's rear ending of Axel on the entry to Curve Grande falls in the red zone and initiated a crash fest involving 10 cars. This was a small error of judgement which prompted a huge incident.

As this is in the red zone I have to apply a penalty for blatant rear end collision.


There were other incidents throughout lap 1, but all fell outside the end of the red zone (2nd Lesmo) and all involved a massive amount of warp and extended collision box action. Some cars were metres apart and still became involved in the action.
This should serve as a reminder to give each other more room, especially on the first lap where gaps between cars are small and the margin for error is even smaller.


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There were no other reported incidents, but I did witness more than one car untangling himself from another's wheels.

  • Racing incident

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2014, 08:30:35 AM +0000 »

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You mean down the start/finish straight?  Yes that was a shame- it seems to be a small bit of warp while we were side by side
Yes was on the straight and i was also surprised from the warp because ,from the replay, the cars are not so close.
Like for the incident Report i confused Jones with Logan.The incident at Parabolica was with Logan.
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« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2014, 04:29:27 AM +0000 »

Just had a quick look at the replays and there was quite a bit of action!

On my side I would like to apologise to Greg and Fran for my line into lesmo 1 in the F2 race. Watching it back I squeezed you both mid race. Fortunately I suffered and you both did not but regardless my bad.

I looked at the replay later. I was thinking I owed you an apology. For some reason I thought you were a slower driver than you probably are. Considering some of the times I've seen you post since looking, I had no business passing you at that point. I think we'd have made it though if I had stayed a little further inside. My line was wider than I'd have liked and I turned in a little late.

I also looked at my spin in Lesmo 1 that took out Robert. That was stupid. I thought I had a car inside me so I ran a wide line and couldn't keep the car from spinning.

I owe both of you a break in the future.
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« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2014, 03:24:00 PM +0000 »

You owe me nothing, Greg. Don't be so hard on yourself. Nothing malicious or so, you tried to give a car room. We all make mistakes... Wink
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