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  • S2667F2 Hockenheim: January 19, 2014
January 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 2 +0.364
128.271mph
1 40:24.499
125.769mph
20 1:58.940
128.185mph
Dunlop  
Roberto Teso
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:58.496
128.665mph
2 +0.163
125.761mph
20 1:58.776
128.362mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 5 +1.064
127.520mph
3 +3.947
125.565mph
20 1:58.987
128.135mph
Dunlop  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 13 4 +24.164
124.528mph
20 2:00.153
126.891mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 8 +3.092
125.393mph
5 +26.454
124.412mph
20 2:00.701
126.315mph
Dunlop  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 4 +0.886
127.711mph
6 (+1) +29.420
124.261mph
20 1:58.319
128.858mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 10 +3.321
125.158mph
7 +40.649
123.695mph
20 2:00.302
126.734mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +1.891
126.644mph
8 +44.528
123.501mph
20 1:59.653
127.421mph
Dunlop  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 9 +3.262
125.218mph
9 +1:05.506
122.460mph
20 1:59.848
127.214mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS5 GPL F2 11 +4.380
124.079mph
10 +1:30.920
121.223mph
20 2:03.034
123.920mph
Dunlop  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +0.603
128.014mph
11 +9L
125.585mph
11 1:57.542
129.710mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +1.076
127.508mph
12 +12L
124.920mph
8 1:59.698
127.373mph
Disco
Firestone  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lotus 48 GPL F2 12 13 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0

Pool B Race
No incidents in the red zone.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h26m22s

Piero chasing Robert F on the straight after the Ostkurve. Piero gets the draft, Robert holds his line but Piero cuts back in far too early. Piero suffers the worse requiring a Reset - which unfortunately spawns in front of Dave Curtis. Robert is able to continue but loses 1 place.
Penalty for Piero for improper overtake.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:58.496
128.681mph
Roberto Teso
Qualifying
Matra MS7January 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM +0000
S2667F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:57.542
129.725mph
Raoni Frizzo
Race
Matra MS7January 19, 2014, 09:37:21 PM +0000
S2667F2
January 19, 2014, 09:38:29 PM +0000 - Hockenheim (1965-2001) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 1:59.198
127.963mph
1 40:38.800
125.085mph
20 1:59.582
127.552mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +0.471
127.459mph
2 +0.114
125.080mph
20 1:58.454
128.767mph
Dunlop  
NewBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 6 +1.231
126.655mph
3 +1.240
125.022mph
20 1:59.635
127.495mph
Firestone  
natan5
 NVRacing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 7 +1.525
126.346mph
4 +27.282
123.702mph
20 2:00.605
126.470mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 8 +1.562
126.308mph
5 +28.188
123.656mph
20 1:59.935
127.177mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 4 +1.050
126.846mph
6 +28.740
123.629mph
20 1:59.673
127.455mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 10 +3.656
124.155mph
7 +58.792
122.141mph
20 2:00.894
126.168mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 48 GPL F2 11 +5.940
121.889mph
8 +1L
118.122mph
19 2:03.025
123.982mph
Firestone  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.432
127.501mph
9 +13L
119.704mph
7 2:01.381
125.662mph
Disco
Dunlop  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 9 +1.997
125.854mph
10 +16L
120.628mph
4 2:01.495
125.544mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 5 +1.229
126.657mph
11 +20L
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Disco
Firestone  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 12 12 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h01m38s

Red zone was almost clear.
At 1m 52 Cookie makes a pass on Arf. Cookie uses the very edge of the track but Arf's line into Ostkurve takes him toward the outside where there is side-by-side contact. Cookie gets the worst of it.


Server replay time: 0h01m52s

On the straight after Ostkurve Arf is coming from the outside & Natan overtaking from the inside & they come together. Neither driver individually makes a mistake but the accident takes leaves the following cars little chance to avoid the mayhem.
Both incidents could be spared by drivers being a little more patient & observant. If you can hear cars around you use the "look left" or "look right" buttons before moving across the track.
A caution is awarded on this occasion because of the interference with other drivers.


Server replay time: 0h40m12s

On the last lap Newblood, Marco & Dean are fighting for the lead & close up to lap Badblood at Ostkurve. Badblood keeps to the side of the track & backs off to allow the following cars to pass. When being approached by a train of cars it is best to keep you car in a predictable place. Daen is in third place, in hot purtsuit & his line takes him close enough to Badblood for GPL crashboxes to determine contact. Dean survives intact but Paul is span across the track. Neither driver did anything particularly wrong.

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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2014, 07:06:49 PM +0000 »

The series will now be split as follows...

That's not what we signed up for.  Sad

I'm assuming that the reasons are the sparse grids in heavies last season, and the 18-9 list in subscriptions for the new. If three are moved from Lights to Heavies, a 15-12 split should see a more equal server load. If we look at the results from the previous season, there are three drivers who, despite contesting almost every round, failed to podium. Invoking "...We reserve the right to move you into the correct division..." on those three would allow everyone else to race in the series they signed up for.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2014, 08:49:08 PM +0000 »

Don't help much, but I agree with everyone, including mod team Smiley    If only there were more participants/or some of them were not quite as good/consistent.

I must admit,  when I look at that heavy lineup - it does looks rather daunting & un-heavy like.   Although,  when I look at the Lights - that obviously does too!

So, from here, looks like a tough season already.

Still - will be good to get started; either like this or if there are some further re-arrangements.
In closing,  the efforts running this stuff are appreciated.

Cheers,
Dave.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2014, 09:58:43 PM +0000 »

I was a bit short of time yesterday & did not have a chance to explain the driver allocation.

First - ignore the fact that the Grids are called Heavy & Light. They are two roughly equal groups. The series was set up as Heavy & Light & too difficult to change.

There are too many registrations to have one grid. Last season drivers missed out on at least one race. What I want to achieve is two separate grids that are stable enough to run all season.

The second difficulty was that we had far more Light drivers than Heavy. There are various ways of splitting these up. Each grid has a similar amount of Full Time & Reserve drivers. There is a reasonable spread of ability in each group. The differences in speed are less with the Formula 2 Mod than some others. A few drivers like myself will be backmarkers in most races. Some of the middle ability drivers achieved some good qualifying & finishes last season.

This allocation is also easier to slot in new drivers who sign up mid-term.

The allocation is not perfect but I've tried to make it fair, workable so everyone can enjoy the series.

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2014, 10:59:44 PM +0000 »

So how how many F2 champions at the end of the season 1, 2 or 4  Huh
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2014, 11:14:39 PM +0000 »

But it's not one series, it's two (with an arbitrary split), just scored commonly, somehow. Are points going to paid based on race position, or time, or a combination? What allowances will be made for hiccups on race server A that don't affect drivers on race server B?

If you feel the Heavy grid needs buffering, move some of the ones from the Lights who haven't shown the speed to challenge the front runners or the consistency to exploit their (for me, still quite frequent Tongue ) errors. With 27 registrations, a 15 Light/ 12 Heavy should allow for latecomers without issue.

The signup for this series explicitly contains the proviso "...We reserve the right to move you into the correct division..." without mentioning conditions or even reasons for that move, whereas changing the basic nature of this championship a few days before the off, nope, I'm not finding it there.
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2014, 11:31:10 AM +0000 »


I must admit,  when I look at that heavy lineup - it does looks rather daunting & un-heavy like.   Although,  when I look at the Lights - that obviously does too!


Are you the same Dave Curtis who posted a GPL Rank of -34000 the other day? That means we should all be scared of you!!! laugh
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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2014, 12:54:02 PM +0000 »


I must admit,  when I look at that heavy lineup - it does looks rather daunting & un-heavy like.   Although,  when I look at the Lights - that obviously does too!

Are you the same Dave Curtis who posted a GPL Rank of -34000 the other day? That means we should all be scared of you!!! laugh

Er, it must have been someone else. Ahem.
I also have the  obviously the value was so high, it wrapped around somehow.   I'll blame my Pentium60!

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2014, 10:51:00 AM +0000 »

So how how many F2 champions at the end of the season 1, 2 or 4  Huh

From the silence I assume everyone else is not confused. Well I own up to being stupid. Does anyone know who they are racing against in terms of the championship. Is there one, two or what and how is it going to work from race to race in particular with handicapping thrown in?

We already have the Friday Trophy, which includes the F2 mod, for fun. With the first race approaching fast it really would be nice to know.
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2014, 12:44:42 PM +0000 »

Hi   any clarification on this, and are fast drivers and slow drivers being moved to were they want to race, or is now set as groups we race in.
See you all on track.
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2014, 01:09:42 PM +0000 »

When the F2 mod was made, it was created as something that everyone could comfortably drive.  These cars were where future F1 stars learned their trade - advanced trainers to perfect racing skills in.  They were popular in 1967, and they're popular here.   Perhaps it's been decided they are too popular here?
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2014, 03:19:29 PM +0000 »

For clarification - the drivers have been split into two grids. One is called Light & one is called Heavy - they could be called Grid 1 & Grid 2 or A & B - there is no distinction for the ability of drivers.
This has been done so we have two sustainable grids over the course of the season - one  grid would probably mean that some people would miss out & it has not been possible to split the grids by driver ability.

Please check you join the correct grid - if you get it wrong you won't score any championship points.

The series will now be split as follows
LIGHTS
Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo

HEAVY
Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, & Walter

Or check the Driver list in the Championship Table here: Formula Two Trophy
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2014, 03:46:14 PM +0000 »

I am asking the following 5 drivers to move from the Light to the Heavy.
Marco Mercaldo, Doni Yourth, Phil Thornton, David Rainier & Arf Arf. (A message is being sent to these drivers). If you don't agree please contact me.

I would suggest, if possible, an alternative solution.

Simply distribute drivers on two balanced grids (1/2 of light and 1/2 heavy each) alternating at every race, more or less as it was done in the Porsche champ.

Thus would not be anything different from what happens when the group is reduced and you end up all on a single server, I see no reason to move pilots from category in a forced way just to build a starting grid.


or is it a constant split?
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2014, 04:35:28 PM +0000 »

Sorry for still being confused.

Does this mean there are two separate F2 championships, one on each grid?

If so within each F2 championship is their a separate championship for Light and Heavy drivers?

If not, regardless of handicapping, this is not looking like much fun for the original Heavy drivers?
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2014, 05:38:05 PM +0000 »

We can do lots of things with the results - combining the results into one table, rotating the grids, having two separate championships...

As it stands we simply have two parallel championships. Two champions and a straight fight.

Let us see how it goes in terms of drivers turning up and we can take it from there.
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2014, 05:50:12 PM +0000 »

We can do lots of things with the results - combining the results into one table, rotating the grids, having two separate championships...

And doing so after the fact will be easier than just moving three drivers who haven't proven (despite plenty of chances) they belong in the Lights down a division to even out the grids, and letting the 24 others race in the series that they voted on joining?

I just felt my motivation for this/these/whatever series plummet.
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