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January 24, 2014, 10:11:55 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Friday Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 1 1:32.204
139.460mph
1 28:04.565
137.400mph
18 1:31.972
139.812mph
Goodyear  
clouds
 Shadows
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 6 +2.262
136.121mph
2 +17.636
135.976mph
18 1:32.004
139.764mph
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Chaparral Mk2F GT 1967 2 +0.364
138.912mph
3 +25.075
135.384mph
18 1:31.764
140.129mph
Firestone  
Mark Jones
 
Mirage M1 GT 1967 3 +0.644
138.493mph
4 +33.645
134.709mph
18 1:33.504
137.521mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 9 +2.952
135.134mph
5 +57.986
132.827mph
18 1:34.785
135.663mph
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 14 6 +59.548
132.708mph
18 1:33.416
137.651mph
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Ford GT40 MkIV GT 1967 16 7 +1:14.822
131.556mph
18 1:34.445
136.151mph
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 8 +2.795
135.357mph
8 +1:35.466
130.031mph
18 1:35.011
135.340mph
Firestone  
AndyL
 
Mirage M1 GT 1967 4 +1.180
137.698mph
9 +1L
129.471mph
17 1:33.447
137.605mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 11 +4.567
132.879mph
10 +14.109
128.398mph
17 1:36.057
133.866mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 7 +2.420
135.894mph
11 +16.069
128.250mph
17 1:35.136
135.162mph
Firestone  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Mirage M1 GT 1967 5 +2.048
136.430mph
12 +8L
127.832mph
10 1:33.865
136.993mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 330/P4 GT 1967 13 13 +22.033
125.092mph
10 1:35.982
133.971mph
Disco
Firestone  
Raoni Frizzo
 Team Coyote
Mirage M1 GT 1967 15 14 +13L
127.060mph
5 1:35.005
135.349mph
Disco
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Mirage M1 GT 1967 10 +3.437
134.449mph
15 +31.498
119.614mph
5 1:45.024
122.437mph
Disco
Firestone  
UKGPL 8
 
Ford GT40 MkI GT 1967 12 17 DNS ---
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lap 2 at Lesmo 1 several cars are involved when Martin gets sideways and Mark tries to take avoiding action. Although there were a lot of people involved and some reports were submitted, I think this has to be a racing incident which collected a lot of innocent bystanders.

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Lap 2 at Parabolica.
Fabio rejoins after a trip into the gravel where he unfortunately gets hit by other cars who have entered Parabolica too quickly. When he eventually gets back onto the tarmac he is naturally slow in getting away and Fran comes around the corner and sees an opportunity to pass on the outside. There is just about room, but Fabio allows his car to drift out and contact is made that causes Fran to spin.
In this case I am issuing a caution to Fabio to take more care when re-joining and to be sure to keep to his side of the tarmac and leave room for faster cars.

Caution for Fabio

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At the start of lap 7 Paul closes on Fran as they cross the S/F line and uses the draft to make a pass.
I have looked at this over and over and it is marginal, but I cannot fault Fran as he keeps his car on a straight course and maintains the same gap to the grass verge.
Paul's speed carries him past Fran but before he has clear air between them he drifts across towards Fran and contact is made.
This happens at the point where the track narrows on Paul's side and I suspect he subconciously eased to his left as the barrier got closer, whereas Fran had a steady point of reference in the grass to the left side of the tarmac.

Simple side by side 1 place lost


January 24, 2014, 11:28:54 PM +0000 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Friday Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
clouds
 Shadows
McLaren M8D Group 7 3 +0.484
157.440mph
1 27:40.996
154.900mph
20 1:21.520
157.807mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
McLaren M8D Group 7 4 +0.915
156.614mph
2 +0.167
154.885mph
20 1:21.827
157.215mph
Goodyear  
Mark Jones
 
McLaren M8D Group 7 1 1:21.226
158.378mph
3 (+2) +9.189
154.048mph
20 1:21.458
157.927mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M8B/C/E Group 7 2 +0.336
157.726mph
4 +17.953
153.244mph
20 1:21.546
157.757mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lola T222 Group 7 11 +2.849
153.012mph
5 +25.106
152.594mph
20 1:22.137
156.622mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
McLaren M8D Group 7 6 +1.344
155.800mph
6 (+2) +38.797
151.365mph
20 1:22.018
156.849mph
Goodyear  
NickyIckx
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T222 Group 7 9 +2.447
153.747mph
7 +58.503
149.630mph
20 1:23.274
154.483mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lola T222 Group 7 10 +2.491
153.666mph
8 +1:08.423
148.772mph
20 1:22.737
155.486mph
Goodyear  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T260 Group 7 14 +4.482
150.096mph
9 +1L
145.282mph
19 1:24.467
152.301mph
Goodyear  
AndyL
 
Ferrari 712M Group 7 8 +2.255
154.100mph
10 (+1) +7L
146.410mph
13 1:22.944
155.098mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Shadow MKll Group 7 12 +3.716
151.450mph
11 +8L
146.557mph
12 1:23.166
154.684mph
Disco
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T260 Group 7 13 +4.117
150.738mph
12 +0.017
146.555mph
12 1:22.146
156.605mph
Disco
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Shadow MKll Group 7 7 +1.939
154.686mph
13 +10L
141.298mph
10 1:23.270
154.491mph
Disco
Goodyear  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M8F Group 7 5 +1.300
155.884mph
14 +18L
131.625mph
2 1:22.828
155.315mph
Disco
Goodyear  
UKGPL 8
 
Porsche 917/10 Group 7 15 16 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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After last season I was expecting a similarly quiet workload in season 24, how wrong can one get???!!


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In the Lap 1 red zone there were a couple of incidents.
Off the grid Ronnie gets a tank slapper going and sideswipes Fabio before parking his car sideways in front of the on rushing cars from the back of the grid.
Clive attempts to squeeze past the nose of Ronnie's car but succeeds only in clipping the nose and spinning his own car. paul sees the carnage and backs off, but catches Dave unawares who promptly punts Paul's car into a spin before attempting to vault the armco.

All of this action stems from Ronnie's over exuberant right foot off the line and as it falls in the red zone he gets a penalty


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Again on lap 1, axel leads into Curve Grande with mark in hot pursuit, Axel has a clear advantage and takes the racing line into CG, but slows rather more than Mark anticipated. Mark rear ends Axel, spinning him into the armco

  • Mark Jones — simple rear end — 2 places lost


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Ronnie passes the stricken Axel and promptly loses the rear end (yet again) on the exit of CG causing him to take out some very expensive signage and bounce off the fencing before coming to a halt dead centre of the track.
This parked car causes following cars to trip over themselves and spin.

Although Ronnie's car parked in the middle of the circuit is an obvious hazard, he did not place it there deliberately. If he had tried to move off I think there would have been grounds for a penalty, but by staying still he did give the following cars the least bad option of simply driving around him if they could.

Racing Incident

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Lap 6 Curve Grande and Andy who has been tailing Fran for several laps thinks he sees a chance to get inside Fran under braking. Andy never achieves an overlap and sideswipes Fran.


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After their exchange of paint samples at CG, Andy is again following Fran through the Lesmo corners where Fran is extremely cautious. Andy sees Fran run wide of the apex at lesmo 2 and guns his Ferrari through a tighter line against the kerb to take Fran on the exit. Unfortunately Fran chooses this moment to oversteer slightly and effectively closes the gap that Andy was aiming for just enough to cause contact. Fran was clearly in front at all times and had the right to whatever line he wished to take.

I am calling this a racing incident because the gap was most definitely there and Fran's line would be expected to take him even wider had he not lost the rear end slightly.

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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2014, 07:08:08 PM +0000 »

Congratulation for your family Gareth !!! Will we have another driver in growth ?!?!?  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2014, 07:55:22 PM +0000 »

The way things are going, if it's a boy, he'll be Karting at 4, making his sponsored International debut at 8, and all washed up and ready to join Ukgpl, at 10. laugh
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2014, 09:38:50 PM +0000 »

Pretty exciting GT race. Biff bash bosh. Had 10 seconds to practice Sad

Good start and then a crash in front which I threaded through and I thought I had lucked out. But a wicked blue car had other ideas... then Fran caught me I passed him and then went flying - we just wanted the same tarmac I guess. Thought I had left you enough room Fran, sorry if not. Bit hard to judge in these beasties. Another biff from behind at Lesmo 2 and then finally a spin at Parabolica right in front of Cookie who flipped on my lid. Hope it didn't cost him. As I had popped an engine earlier, that was that. Fun while it lasted.

Can Ams to come.

Oops. Off the start well and then saw a flying car in front of me. Dave didn't so that was our first reset. Then he saw Ronnie (I think) stopped in the middle of Curva Grande. I didn't. Bash. Sorry. Then we set off for what seemed about a million laps of chase pass and re-pass. Mad a bad mistake at Lesmo 1 and rejoined bumpily out of control but with Dave right behind. Went defensive into Parabolica and braked a little earlier to account for the tighter line. Dave was caught by surprise and that was our race. Enjoyed racing you Dave. Sorry it ended like that.
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2014, 10:55:06 PM +0000 »

Many congrats Gareth, you told me an hour after your wife gave birth yesterday Smiley Also what you did in Ghog yesterday was very classy and so unselfish. Hope to pay you back one day... Wink

Couldn't make it tonight, was on a date (which didn't work out btw, I'm such a fool with women Sad). Hope you all had fun!
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2014, 11:06:21 PM +0000 »

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« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2014, 02:13:14 AM +0000 »

I have some apologies to make here. I was just out of my depth, although what is simpler than Monza?

The start and L1 T1 in both races seemed to be clean. In the GTs there was a coming together near the front in the Lesmos after a few laps and I almost made it through the gap that appeared, but I was tagged again and again and again. Eventually I found myself facing the right way and clear ahead, so I planted my right foot, slewed sideways and collected Paul, who required a reset. Sorry Paul. I had a steady run then and picked up a few places to 5th. Blew the engine in Ascari. Reset and wondered if this series required a stop and go. I did one and lost a few more places. Regained a few places and on the penultimate lap Ronnie in front was wide in CG, so I tried to hug the inside kerb, hit it and spun. As I tried to regain control and limp to the side of the track, Dave Rainier came through and picked the side I was limping towards. Very sorry Dave to end your race there. I reset from upside down (oh dear - 2nd reset - that's me DQ'd), went round to the pits to do another irrelevant stop and go as Axel lapped me and took the chequered flag. Grats for a fine win in that dangerous MKIV.

The Canams were tidy until lap1 Parabolica where a number of us played in the sand having our own incidents. I recovered behind Fran who was very fast on the straights and very slow and wobbly in the corners. After a number of close shaves where it seemed to me that the door was open for a pass and then shut again, I was up the inside in CG with Fran wide, but he cut back across and I had to reset. A few laps later he was wide in and out of Lesmo2, so I went for the inside and he came back across again. In both cases I hadn't come alongside, but Fran if you had kept your line we would have been ok. As the following driver it's all my fault and if it was real life we would be dead, so I'm very sorry about that. A little later I blew the engine and requiring a second reset now knowing the rules, I retired rather than get a DQ again.

I had a comedy moment somewhere following Ronnie into Parabolica. I missed my braking, nearly scalped him and careered headlong into the sand and the hedge. Generally my driving was below par and embarrassing. Sorry to those I tangled with. Thanks for those I raced with and grats to those who did well tonight.
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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2014, 07:17:05 AM +0000 »

Congratulations Gareth!!

Both races were fairly scrappy for me.  Sorry to Axel for the incident in the CanAms, you just took me by surprise and I couldn't react fast enough.  Monza just didn't seem to work for me, so I'm glad to be leaving it behind.
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« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2014, 07:56:15 AM +0000 »

Thanks guys! its number 3 so no big deal really, she and mum are fine. 2 chicks and a chap now so anyone selling any bricks.

see you at snett, probably Smiley




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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2014, 08:47:11 AM +0000 »

I had a comedy moment somewhere following Ronnie into Parabolica. I missed my braking, nearly scalped him and careered headlong into the sand and the hedge. Generally my driving was below par and embarrassing. Sorry to those I tangled with. Thanks for those I raced with and grats to those who did well tonight.

Big thanks to Andy for one of those priceless moment in GPL. As I approached my breaking point I looked in my mirrors to see exactly where you were and thought "what the ......." as you closed at warp factor 9!!! Brilliant mate and made my night. Grats to the podiums and to Gareth on the new arrival.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2014, 09:42:46 AM +0000 »

As I tried to regain control and limp to the side of the track, Dave Rainier came through and picked the side I was limping towards. Very sorry Dave to end your race there.

No problem Andy, that was a racing incident.
From my opinion, when you have an accident and cars are coming very quickly, the best way is to stay motionless until they have passed.
For the GT race, I choose the MK1 ...it is a pleasant car to drive but very slow !

In the CanAm race, I choose the Lola T222, another nice car to drive but a little bit faster .
I was in a correct position (6 or 7th ?) when I was violently rear ended by another car at the entry of Curva Grande. I had to reset and did a Stop and go, then I could have no other ambition than just finish the race  Undecided
I think, but not sure, it was Martin still mad dog  Wink and I will not report any incident as I have no other ambition on these Friday's race than have fun.
 
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2014, 12:04:07 PM +0000 »

...you just took me by surprise and I couldn't react fast enough.

Hm, I was more than a car lenght ahead, but my earlier lifting for T1 L1 has surprised you  Sad
I recovered in 10th and had a great race fighting back to 4th in the only McLaren M8B Wink

A last minute decision to not take the stronger Motschenbacher Mc as the difference in a lap is not too big.
I was surprised to make the drag race from the start to T1 Shocked

The CA race was great fun fighting with Clive, Martin, Andy and David,
but a little dissapointing with my Antipasti teamie Fran who seems to ignore blue flags and to not use pribluda  Sad

The GT race was a real challenge with the MK4  Grin
But in my tamed version it is fun to drive. No problems with overtaking backmarkers but my teamie...

Great fun this series!
Maybe some heavies need a little help in setting the big beasts up, to not drive the straights in snake lines...

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Is there a red zone?
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2014, 12:50:00 PM +0000 »

Race 1 :  Dangerous track, but the Chaparral was well sorted, and hopes were high.  I knew that given the chance, Cookie would run off, and I'd take a hiding.  Also that Chaparrals do not start well.  As I feared, it took a vital lap to gain 2nd spot, before trying to haul in a disappearing MkIV, which was really cooking.  I failed! 

A spin mid-race, put Sergio in my place.  I was unable to put him in his, until he opened his window at a bad moment?  The side swipe was unintended, but Windows had opened the door.  I was surprised to survive the contact intact!  Did the decent thing, and gave the place back on the final lap, when running out of fuel, approaching Parabolica.  taz

Race 2 :  Failed to find a setup, that was both fast and forgiving, so opted for neither.  Looking good until I was reminded, these Can-Am's don't all brake at the same spot.  Managed to help 2 different T222's gain some extra speed, with results not helpful to them.  I've no problem with penalties for doing my worst, team Lola.  Entirely my mistakes, and not much work for Moderation to sort out.

Motor Racing comes, with it's highs and lows.  With too much action, by mid-race my tyres were cooked.  So, parked it before doing any more damage.
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2014, 04:28:20 PM +0000 »

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GT race: started good. Lap1 Lesmo1 Maddog spins, Jones couldn’t avoid him, me either. mass chrash .. down to P9 from P4.
Lap 2 Jones missed Para by warp ( looks like in replay ) Locarno as well, Frizzo ditto & me too being closed behind Clive, only 67kmh slow but no chance to stop the car from left drifting ( really something modders should work on , more important then have hundreds of mods ,imo ) . well from that point on my Mirage acts horrible. Turns out that severe probs at left rear & minor probs on al other suspension had been the reason. I stopped the race.

CanAm race: got again an nice start. P4 after Lesmo 2. But at Lesmo Lap 1 Maddog rearended my LolaT222. P8 then.  Got some very nice racing closed behind Livingston& Molten over some number of laps, till they contact each others at Curva Grande . P5 then.
Cookie caught me up easily at Lap 11 and coz I missed braking point into Par at Lap 17 I turned out on P7.
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Well, must say I do very much prefer CanAm over GT.
Gts don’t brake at all , do left/right swimming on straights  and most bad to me : they do lost all grip even so the optimum tyre temp of 123°Celsius isn’t even reached ( 80° Celsius seems to be deadline to overheat)  and  the optimum hot  tyre pressure of 220kpa cant be achieved .

BUT could be my cgt.exe is wrong coz pribluda shows me an optimum tyre temp range from 65°C up to 138°C….. Huh
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2014, 05:18:47 PM +0000 »

I was the only Chaparral in the GT race Nicky, and up near the front.  I suspect it was some other filthy swine, that hurt your chances.  EDIT : Lap 2, I scrapped along the armco, and noticed rotational activity behind me. 

The way our cars behave is called 'Physics'.  Gt physics is a little different from other Mods.  The brake lock bug is undesirable.  This type of physics has not been repeated.  But these have been raced successfully by podium persons - the challenge is a little different.  

I don't use Pribluda, as it wasn't available in 1967, and suggest you switch it off.
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2014, 06:13:02 PM +0000 »

For me the GT brakelock has occurred very seldom in the last races.
I think the main avoiding tactics is to have a stiff front damping ( 9/12 here!) for nearly every GT.

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GT Mirage M1-Ford V8 5.7L F1

                                          Left          Right
                                          -----         -----
Front Tire Pressure, psi             25            25
Front Wheel Rate, lbs/inch        200           205
Front Bump                              9             9
Front Rebound                         12            12
Front Camber, degrees       -0,9500001     0,4500001
Front Bump Rubber, inches        1,35          1,35

Front Toe In, inches                       0,06
Front Roll Bar, lbs/inch                     480
Front Ride Height, inches                  2,5

Front Brake Bias                           51
Steering Ratio                             10
Fuel Level, gallons                        13

Rear Toe In, inches                      0,07
Rear Roll Bar, lbs/inch                    326
Rear Ride Height, inches                2,55

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Rear Tire Pressure, psi              29            30
Rear Wheel Rate, lbs/inch      224,3902      231,3902
Rear Bump                               8             8
Rear Rebound                           8             8
Rear Camber, degrees              -0,7           0,3500001
Rear Bump Rubber, inches          1,2           1,2

Power Angle, degrees                       30
Coast Angle, degrees                       85
Clutches                                        1

Gear 1                                    11/39          3,545
Gear 2                                    16/37          2,313
Gear 3                                    21/41          1,952
Gear 4                                    30/51          1,7
Gear 5                                    19/28          1,474
Gear Differential                         30/51          1,7



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IMO pribluda is a must, as it helps to "see" what a monitor can't show!
I do allways know where an opponent is as I have the distance in meters in the center.
In 67 the drivers could turn their heads!
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Axel "Cookie"

poor, he who sees no stars without the punch in the face

an aphorism of  Stanislaus Jercy Lec
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