UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67) - Snetterton - Jan 26

[Philippe Girard]

very fun track. 
I was in sixth position, with billy just behind me, and unfortunately the last corner accident!
shit! 
proverb: we must remain vigilant until the end ...

[Rainier]

I don't know if I will lost my 15 tokens (for Ferrari) 

No. Because you did not make the start line. You don't get your ten tokens only but it is as if you did not race. You currently have 5 tokens so you can take the Fezza at the 'ring if you wish.

Thanks, that's the only good news from Snett'n !

[Robert Fleurke]

I couldn't get any heat in my tyres, despite setting a substantial PB. Presumably I am braking too early/too light and taking off too much speed at entry but if I try higher speeds I spin. Any tips for getting those nice green temps?

Apart from the things you said, driving harder, you can put more temps in the front tires by putting brakebias a bit more to the front or the other way around for rear tires. Same for enter the turns harder, and exiting harder. Sliding more. But as you said if you do that you can lose control earlier and not feeling comfortable.

Setup wise you could try also softer ARB's keeping the same ratio (balance), softer tirepressures, or softer wheelrates keeping the same ratio (if the car doesn't bottom out). Might give you more grip and better laptimes, and even better control...

BTW congrats Hendy, Andy and Dave. Pretty good pace, especially Hendy and Andy, very respectable laptimes as well.  You guys would have finished 6th/7th in Works.

[BadBlood]

Thanks Rob

[john roberts]

Setup wise you could try also softer ARB's keeping the same ratio (balance), softer tirepressures, or softer wheelrates keeping the same ratio (if the car doesn't bottom out). Might give you more grip and better laptimes, and even better control...

the quickest way to get more temperature into the tyre is to add air , also in most mods you will end up running with more air than in 67 .

[BadBlood]

Thanks JR

[dave curtis]

Re-reading it, it sounds like I am criticising you - it was meant to be jokey but doesn't actually sound like that. It was actually good car control. Re-reading again makes it sound like I was drunk when I posted it - wasn't but I WAS tired. (I've edited the original)

No worries - it was read the first time in the manner in which it was intended

[Robert Fleurke]

Setup wise you could try also softer ARB's keeping the same ratio (balance), softer tirepressures, or softer wheelrates keeping the same ratio (if the car doesn't bottom out). Might give you more grip and better laptimes, and even better control...

the quickest way to get more temperature into the tyre is to add air , also in most mods you will end up running with more air than in 67 .

With higher pressures the temps will built up sooner for sure (in quali most run slightly higher tirepressures), but when they are at working temps after a few laps, in my experience lower tirepressures will get you higher tiretemps overall, even though it takes longer to build up...

In Paul's case adding air might be the right solution, don't know. From my own POV and driving, I would lower my tirepressures

[BadBlood]

I am really searching for something I can use with the Brabby at the 'ring.

[john roberts]

Setup wise you could try also softer ARB's keeping the same ratio (balance), softer tirepressures, or softer wheelrates keeping the same ratio (if the car doesn't bottom out). Might give you more grip and better laptimes, and even better control...

the quickest way to get more temperature into the tyre is to add air , also in most mods you will end up running with more air than in 67 .

With higher pressures the temps will built up sooner for sure (in quali most run slightly higher tirepressures), but when they are at working temps after a few laps, in my experience lower tirepressures will get you higher tiretemps overall, even though it takes longer to build up...

In Paul's case adding air might be the right solution, don't know. From my own POV and driving, I would lower my tirepressures

Paul says he can't get the any heat into his tyres , do you really think less air in them will help him ?

[Robert Fleurke]

Setup wise you could try also softer ARB's keeping the same ratio (balance), softer tirepressures, or softer wheelrates keeping the same ratio (if the car doesn't bottom out). Might give you more grip and better laptimes, and even better control...

the quickest way to get more temperature into the tyre is to add air , also in most mods you will end up running with more air than in 67 .

With higher pressures the temps will built up sooner for sure (in quali most run slightly higher tirepressures), but when they are at working temps after a few laps, in my experience lower tirepressures will get you higher tiretemps overall, even though it takes longer to build up...

In Paul's case adding air might be the right solution, don't know. From my own POV and driving, I would lower my tirepressures

Paul says he can't get the any heat into his tyres , do you really think less air in them will help him ?

You're right, I should have watched it from Paul's point of view, not my own driving Again, it's true tiretemps will built up sooner with higher tirepressures...I guess it depends on the driver on how hard you push/cornering, to find one's own best pressures...

[dave curtis]

Setup wise you could try also softer ARB's keeping the same ratio (balance), softer tirepressures, or softer wheelrates keeping the same ratio (if the car doesn't bottom out). Might give you more grip and better laptimes, and even better control...

the quickest way to get more temperature into the tyre is to add air , also in most mods you will end up running with more air than in 67 .

With higher pressures the temps will built up sooner for sure (in quali most run slightly higher tirepressures), but when they are at working temps after a few laps, in my experience lower tirepressures will get you higher tiretemps overall, even though it takes longer to build up...

In Paul's case adding air might be the right solution, don't know. From my own POV and driving, I would lower my tirepressures

Paul says he can't get the any heat into his tyres , do you really think less air in them will help him ?

We'll, I'm (obviously) not qualified to answer in any capacity really;  but when I got the front left in the red round the glen;  I just let out a couple of psi.  Then tried not to bash that corner in quite so much.  
The combination seemed to help.

[Robert Fleurke]

This is how they do it in real life racing and I use it as a guide for myself

http://www.elephantracing.com/techtopic/tiretemp.htm

[Billy Nobrakes]

On the tyre temp issue I found the tyres were heating up at Snetterton by braking slightly later into the fast 3rd gear corners & letting the car drift against the steering - Turn 1, the first of the Esses & the last couple of corners onto the pit straight. With a different set up they might be 2nd gear corners. Of course this is a bit of a high risk strategy, if you get the drift wrong you'll end up in the banking. (I saw this happen to more than on car last night).

My general experience is the higher the tyre pressure the hotter they get - but that's my experience which is not the fastest way around any given race track.

[il_lupo_mannaro]

Snetterton is always a "survival" race...
I'm happy about my drive, less about my finish position.
Anyway, is not that easy to race with a barking mad dog over your shoulder 
See you at the Green Hell: another survival one I guess.
Cheers

fL