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February 04, 2014, 10:36:30 PM +0000 - Oulton Park (GP 1954-72) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65)
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Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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MagicArsouille
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 2 +0.087
103.823mph
1 48:45.769
101.900mph
30 1:36.169
103.338mph
Dunlop  
uli
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 1 1:35.632
103.918mph
2 +7.597
101.636mph
30 1:36.572
102.906mph
Dunlop  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 3 +0.871
102.980mph
3 +22.442
101.124mph
30 1:37.028
102.423mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 6 +1.534
102.277mph
4 +40.231
100.518mph
30 1:37.564
101.860mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 4 +0.930
102.917mph
5 +49.148
100.217mph
30 1:37.422
102.008mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +1.968
101.822mph
6 +59.657
99.864mph
30 1:37.847
101.565mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 12 +2.787
100.975mph
7 +1L
98.549mph
29 1:38.126
101.277mph
Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.688
102.115mph
8 +1:28.448
95.656mph
29 1:38.896
100.488mph
Goodyear  
Wiltshire Tony
 Toyland Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 14 +12.743
91.699mph
9 +9L
86.701mph
21 1:44.203
95.370mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Gareth
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 13 +3.920
99.826mph
10 +11L
97.641mph
19 1:39.086
100.295mph
Disco
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 9 +1.924
101.868mph
11 +17L
98.499mph
13 1:38.434
100.960mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.370
102.450mph
12 +26L
97.430mph
4 1:37.924
101.485mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +2.759
101.004mph
13 +30L
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Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 8 +1.865
101.930mph
14 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
Gareth
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 15 ---
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Dunlop  
UKGPL 8
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 15 16 ---
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Dunlop  

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Not much in the Red Zone although Clutch finds that driving in the woods is pretty hazardous.


Server replay time: 0h01m45s

Norm is a bit slow out of Esso but keeps a tight line. As he takes the kink his car naturally moves towards the middle of the track. Dean has got a better exit but gets a bit sideways but is placing his car to pass Norm and also moves towards the middle as the car is unsettled. As he straightens GPL decides they are a bit close and the cars spin catching Doni out.

I have looked at this several times and whilst this was avoidable had either driver given way neither was obligated to. In R/L they would have just had a drag race down to the corner. So neither driver did much wrong here but it is always advisable to leave a bit more space when passing. Particularly early on. Both could have.

Dean feels that Norm moved across. He didn't but he could have kept a tighter line. They are racing for position and Norm is under no obligation to give way. This is just close racing. Dean would probably have been better advised to wait a few yards before closing Norm down. He had the pace. His wobble at the kink is what puts his car so close to Norm.

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F1 1965
1:35.632
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uli
Qualifying
Ferrari 512February 04, 2014, 10:36:30 PM +0000
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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1965
1:36.169
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MagicArsouille
Race
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965)February 04, 2014, 10:36:30 PM +0000
S26Pro
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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2014, 09:57:49 PM +0000 »

Oh well, at least i made it round the first corner this time..but not much further.

Totally my own fault. just caught the edge of the grass after T1 and under no real pressure, slid into a tree.

The softest DNF i've ever had. Poor.

Put myself in much the same position and made it worse with a couple of bad mistakes at unforgiving places, Island bend caught me out and ripped a wheel off on the hoardings. Figures that at a track I like and can push I can't actually a) get a clean lap (both with traffic and error-free) in qualifying, and b) can't finish a long race.

Makes it 1 race finish in 65s in 9 championship starts.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2014, 10:20:03 PM +0000 »

My car stopped going BRRRRMMMM so I did the washing up.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2014, 10:52:24 PM +0000 »

Quali was exciting for P3, Ronnie got me after my first run. In my second run I'm able to do a PR 36.50, and back in P3. Tristan and Uli were scorching the track and too fast. Same in the race, Tris and Uli slowly drive away from me, and Ronnie and Clive close behind me. Ronnie makes a mistake I think after some laps, and then I have to run alone to the finish, keeping an eye on the gap with Clive behind me. Very solid race and consistant, and max result! Very happy with that, but not with Tristan's and Uli's pace  Grin

Very fast pace Tristan and Uli, congrats both, well deserved, too bad of the spin Uli, but nevertheless a splendid drive in the Fezza! Smiley Also well done finishers and lapped cars thanks for the room! Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2014, 11:26:26 PM +0000 »

My car stopped going BRRRRMMMM so I did the washing up.

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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2014, 11:26:40 PM +0000 »

When I clicked on the green button for the grid, my race was ended...

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2014, 01:47:25 AM +0000 »

Nice drive, Tristan!  Grats!

Additional kudos to Uli and Robert for scoring P2 & P3, respectively.  Good job, fellas.

I had a decent race excepting the fact that I was shunted off on L1 getting innocently involved in the Dean/Norm melee.  Oh, and tangling with Tony as he spun in Druids a couple of laps later.  Plus, oh yeah, spinning in Druids a couple of times on my lonesome.  Smiley

Profuse apologies to Gareth.  He voluntarily fell on his sword to avoid me in one of my spins in Druids.  I'm pretty sure that his car was trashed after that as he had subsequent offs and retired shortly thereafter.  Bad luck there.

Pretty pleased to cut into the low 38's in the Honda.

Just scanned our GCR's and didn't find any notations re qualifying etiquette.  Do we have any?  If  not, let me write some.  We need 'em and the sooner, the better.

Doni

PS: I was just scanning my 'preview to post' when I noted Axel's post.  Very bad luck there, amigo.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2014, 03:32:32 AM +0000 »

Wow....weirdest DNQ ever. Fell asleep just before the race, due to jet lag!

Just woken up at 0330......can't see me getting back to sleep, so maybe i'll prcatice for Sunday's Works race........
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2014, 08:16:09 AM +0000 »

Grats again to Tristan , Uli and Robert.

I was happy with my qualifying pace but a little concerned with my upcoming race pace.  A few races on the practice server earlier had shown me that my tyres would last about six laps before melting if I tried to run too fast. Sure enough in the race I could stick to Roberts gearbox but at a cost. A few spins later and I had fallen back into the clutches of Clive and Natan. Fortunately they survived my balletic manoeuvres, just, and things settled down into a chase after Clive for 4th spot. I had a few more spins here and there again but regardless Clive had me under control and so I had to settle for 5th with a constantly pressing Dean not far behind me.

Slowly getting used to the BRM but it is a tail happy/tyre hungry beast in my hands at the moment. See you all at the next one.

Better luck next time Axl.
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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2014, 08:48:40 AM +0000 »

Just scanned our GCR's and didn't find any notations re qualifying etiquette.  Do we have any?  If  not, let me write some.  We need 'em and the sooner, the better.

I was starting a lukewarm lap when I passed the pit exit and someone entered the track. They then sat on my rear trying to pass me at every opportunity. Why? It's not like their going to get a time is it? All they managed to do was put me off my lap. If that was the object, well done, it worked.  Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2014, 10:27:50 AM +0000 »

Hi Smiley

Very good fun in qual and race ......I was Happy whith my pôle 3mn before the end of qual....1.35.719....go in the garage to full up the tank and do some laps whith race configurations..... Shocked !!  well done Uli  Wink ....1.35.632 !! nice lap !....this shurely will make a exiting race.....and it's append !....thx  for the fight Uli, the Ferrrari is fast as you and I know it will be a big problem to over pass you whith out risks.....the only way for me is to put the maximum pressure  again and again and hope for your mistake.....was realy hot sometime and fun all the time Grin........after your spinn I was a little more relax but still watching Prib. to see where you are.....

thx all , c u at Monza

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2014, 11:12:38 AM +0000 »


Just scanned our GCR's and didn't find any notations re qualifying etiquette.  Do we have any?  If  not, let me write some.  We need 'em and the sooner, the better.



I cannot recall if there are any guidelines about qualifying,
 but in my mind it is VERY simple.

1) When you exit the pits, do so carefully and be absolutely sure that you are not going to block someone who is already on track. DO NOT BLAST OUT OF THE PITLANE AT FULL SPEED DIRECTLY ONTO THE RACING LINE!!

2) If you are on an out lap......allow anyone to pass even if you have to stop or go on the grass. Just get out of their way as soon as possible.

3) If you have made a mistake and your current lap is compromised , allow anyone to pass even if you have to stop or go on the grass.

But probably the hardest thing to accept is...

4) If you are on a fast lap and you catch a car in front who is going slower, remember that if he is on a qualifying lap he is entitled to complete that lap, even if it means that your lap is spoiled. It is tough to accept when you have done 3 blistering sectors and look set for pole position and a WR, but because you are faster it does NOT give you precedence over someone who is doing his best to post a good laptime.




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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2014, 11:51:09 AM +0000 »

Well stated, Clive.  And sympathies to Tony for being hounded remorselessly by someone on their outlap.  Sheeesh!

Actually, a very simple method of joining the track free from causing distress to others and placing one's self in a nice, comfy hole in traffic is readily available.  Let me compose a few lines re the procedure and I'll be back later today with the skinny.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2014, 01:58:45 PM +0000 »

Just scanned our GCR's and didn't find any notations re qualifying etiquette.  Do we have any?  If  not, let me write some.  We need 'em and the sooner, the better.

I was starting a lukewarm lap when I passed the pit exit and someone entered the track. They then sat on my rear trying to pass me at every opportunity. Why? It's not like their going to get a time is it? All they managed to do was put me off my lap. If that was the object, well done, it worked.  Tongue

Hm, now I play the devil advocate:

What if I am doing a last stint to get a better time with 2 mins left, have obeyed all etiquette rules leaving the pits,
but find a lukewarm cruising car in front after 2 corners?

I would try to pass as soon as possible...  (and the passed driver could be clever to use the slipstream to improve his time!)
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2014, 03:44:31 PM +0000 »

With ref to qually procedure. Apologies to Robert Fleurke. I stayed wide & slowed at Lodge thinking you would go inside but it didn't work out that way. My time was ok but had a few offs & 2 Ferraries went off in sympathy when they saw me Shocked. It didn't go well an omen for the race.

I am always amazed at others speed on cold tyres mine were only warm after almost 2 laps. Had a lap 1 wheel to wheel impact with Dean which I am not reporting ('cos I think it was 50/50) but Dean can if he feels hard done by ( or Doni). Doni got the worst of it as he could not avoid my spinning car. They both got away before me so I was 12th & last of the runners. Doni had another excursion with I think Tony so I was in front of him again but I spun a 3 sec advantage away at Island bend & after that the field just drove away from me. I lost all rythem & only finished 8th as others dropped out. I had some really poor laps.

With Clutch out on turn 2 not Mountside Racing's finest hour. Well done the podium. The qually lap times are unbelievable. Not to worry, having a bad one & still finishing 8th is an achievement. On we go.
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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2014, 03:46:06 PM +0000 »

Just scanned our GCR's and didn't find any notations re qualifying etiquette.  Do we have any?  If  not, let me write some.  We need 'em and the sooner, the better.

I was starting a lukewarm lap when I passed the pit exit and someone entered the track. They then sat on my rear trying to pass me at every opportunity. Why? It's not like their going to get a time is it? All they managed to do was put me off my lap. If that was the object, well done, it worked.  Tongue

Hm, now I play the devil advocate:

What if I am doing a last stint to get a better time with 2 mins left, have obeyed all etiquette rules leaving the pits,
but find a lukewarm cruising car in front after 2 corners?

I would try to pass as soon as possible...  (and the passed driver could be clever to use the slipstream to improve his time!)

You would still get a poor time cos you LEFT THE PITS
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