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  • S2667F2 Spa: March 02, 2014
March 02, 2014, 09:38:27 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +1.638
147.412mph
1 39:34.572
146.088mph
11 3:33.910
147.427mph
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 5 +3.065
146.435mph
2 +0.709
146.045mph
11 3:35.066
146.634mph
Dunlop  
natan5
 NVRacing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 7 +3.921
145.855mph
3 +14.144
145.223mph
11 3:34.650
146.919mph
Firestone  
GregT
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 3 +1.716
147.358mph
4 +37.032
143.845mph
11 3:34.116
147.285mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 10 +5.222
144.983mph
5 +48.976
143.136mph
11 3:37.116
145.250mph
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 12 +8.272
142.978mph
6 +1:29.723
140.769mph
11 3:38.226
144.511mph
Firestone  
Boggy
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 11 +7.646
143.385mph
7 +2:32.748
137.259mph
11 3:41.138
142.608mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 4 +2.498
146.822mph
8 +6L
142.465mph
5 3:36.442
145.702mph
Disco
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
McLaren M4A GPL F2 8 +4.234
145.644mph
9 +9.743
141.222mph
5 3:36.636
145.572mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 3:32.294
148.549mph
10 +7L
144.862mph
4 3:35.368
146.429mph
Disco
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 9 +4.742
145.304mph
11 +10L
142.780mph
1 3:38.803
144.130mph
unknown
Goodyear  
Gareth
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 6 +3.079
146.425mph
12 +14.659
133.894mph
1 3:54.021
134.758mph
Disco
Dunlop  
UKGPL 3
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 13 13 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Only one incident of note in the Red Zone but it is T1 and affects almost half the field!

In general, there were three more or less comparable incidents on the straight towards Masta, with no deliberate or intentional weaving/blocking according to different moderators. The following are the guidelines on etiquette for contested passes.

•Where drivers are racing for position, they are expected to display a high level of sportsmanship.
•A driver must not move over on a straight to prevent a pass if doing so would force the driver behind to lift off or brake to avoid running into them. The following driver does not need to have any overlap for this rule to be in effect.
•If the leading driver exits a corner leaving enough room on one side track for another car, they are not permitted to move to that side if the following driver has clearly committed to it and is too close to switch to the other side without lifting off.
•A driver must not move over more than once on a straight to prevent a pass.
•A driver must not change line in or immediately before a braking zone. A driver who is hit from behind as the result of doing this has only themself to blame.
•Persistently driving down the centre of the track in order to make passing difficult is not acceptable.

That is not to say that you have to yield the position without a fight, but we do not allow deliberate weaving or blocking. If you choose the side of the track that gives you the racing line into the next corner and force the overtaking car to take "the long way around" that is entirely fair, provided that you make your selection BEFORE the chasing car makes a move.


Server replay time: 0h00m53s

Doni has a good start and gets alongside Marco towards Eau Rouge. Both go slightly to the middle, and together with a little warp/lag both make contact. Marco can continue, Doni wrecks, but continues without Shift-R. Greg, Gareth and Dean get caught up in the incident, victims wo cannot avoid the mess, and these three drivers have to use a Shift-R. Typical Spa T1 incident.

Drivers should try and leave space in the first few corners when the field is compressed. You can't win a race at the first corner but you can lose it there. Give eachother more room after the start being alongside.


Server replay time: 0h07m46s

Towards La Source Cookie spins during braking, and Marco can't avoid him. Both can continue, but Clive suffers from warp and ends up on the roof. Clive doesn't seem to be able to retire or reset, and approaching drivers do all a good job avoiding him.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h09m00s

Dean gets a wheel in the grass in Les Combes and spins. Greg chooses outside trying to avoid and spins himself having a wheel in the grass. no contact is made and both can continue.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h09m52s

After Boggy spins in Malmedy, he rejoins in the middle of the track. Greg is approaching seeing Boggy late, and does not know what side to chose, seeing Boggy in the middle. He goes to the left, when Boggy realizes Greg is approaching, he goes left as well. Greg bounces back into Boggy. Both continue. Due to the topography of Malmedy, it is ruled a racing incident.

Stay at a side of the racetrack after rejoining, until up to racing speed.


Server replay time: 0h13m28s

Towards Masta, BadBlood opens up the right side of the track, trying to let Doni pass on the right. But Doni chooses to try to pass on the left, and BadBlood goes slightly to the left too, forcing Doni on the grass. No contact is made, both continue.

This was a result of lack of awareness of BadBlood combined with miscommunication. No intention or deliberate action. Doni could have chosen the right side as there was more room.


Server replay time: 0h16m41s

This was the only reported incident of the race.

Marco stays at the right side of the track, leaving most room on the left. Marco doesn't expect Cookie to pass on the right, as there's more room at the left of the track. Marco slightly goes to the right, but when he realizes Cookie is there, he opens up a bit. After that Cookie then tries to pass on the left, but isn't alongside enough to claim the turn. Marco rightfully takes the racing line in Masta and Cookie has to back out to avoid contact. No contact is made and both continue. There is no clear blocking/weaving going on, but some lack of awareness and miscommunication.

Being the leading car, choose a steady and predictable line not to close in the middle, and hold your line. Be aware where the following car is, using your mirrors. When trying to pass with a tow, choose the side where there is the most room.


Server replay time: 0h20m45s

Doni gets a good exit from Malmedy and picks up the draft from Billy and the pass is inevitable with his speed advantage before Masta.
I think where this all went wrong is that Billy sat more or less in the middle of the track and gave Doni two options as they pass the wall on their left. There is then a slight kink to the right, and Billy makes no adjustment to his steering that I can detect, so his trajectory will take him to the left side of the remainder of the straight down to Masta. Unfortunately, Doni has chosen that side to make his passing move and the gap just closes, with tragic consequences for him. Billy should have been using his mirrors to know where Doni was and where he was going, and he could easily have prevented this contact.

Make it VERY clear which side you want to be passed, and to move across to your chosen side of the track as early as possible. This whole incident was avoidable with a little more awareness and use of mirrors and perhaps with sending the right messages with the positioning of your car.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
3:32.294
148.536mph
Cookie
Qualifying
Matra MS7March 02, 2014, 09:38:27 PM +0000
S2667F2
March 02, 2014, 09:39:23 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Roberto Teso
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 1 3:32.406
148.477mph
1 39:24.608
146.710mph
11 3:33.205
147.921mph
Dunlop  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS7 GPL F2 3 +0.519
148.115mph
2 (+2) +0.537
146.677mph
11 3:33.889
147.447mph
Dunlop  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 2 +0.265
148.292mph
3 +4.737
146.417mph
11 3:33.836
147.484mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 4 +1.819
147.216mph
4 +5.693
146.358mph
11 3:33.164
147.949mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 7 +4.288
145.539mph
5 +34.546
144.597mph
11 3:35.241
146.521mph
Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 5 +1.954
147.124mph
6 +50.499
143.642mph
11 3:35.122
146.602mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 9 +7.398
143.480mph
7 +50.816
143.623mph
11 3:35.590
146.284mph
Dunlop  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 11 8 +1:10.978
142.434mph
11 3:37.748
144.834mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Matra MS7 GPL F2 6 +4.055
145.696mph
9 +1:20.382
141.887mph
11 3:35.803
146.140mph
Dunlop  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 10 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 8 +4.455
145.427mph
Excluded +0L
141.735mph
11 3:33.945
147.409mph
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Server replay time: 0h00m50s

Piero Mercaldo has a good start from P3 and begins to move left to attempt a pass on R Teso. R Peterson position 4 has a better start and pulls ahead of Piero. Although R Peterson is slightly ahead Piero continues to move left until contact is made, causing Ronnie to spin, Piero is not affected and continues. Side by side contact penalty for Piero.

  • Piero Mercaldopenalty — Side by side - 1 place + 1 red zone — 2 places lost


Server replay time: 0h38m07s

"Bernie was recovering having spun on the racing line. Phil can't avoid Bernie & takes a Shift R. Probably not much else Bernie could have done. This was Phil's second Reset & only one is permitted in this series.

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« on: February 26, 2014, 10:38:55 PM +0000 »

THIS POST IS FOR BOTH GRIDS

Round 4 of the Formula 2 series, stays in Belgium at the classic Spa Francorchamps circuit. A new “Spa 67” track is in the pipeline but a little too early for this season.

The series will be run on two separate grids;  Group A (on UKGPL3) & Group B(on T7). Please ensure you join the correct race.

Drivers have been allocated to the grids as below
Group A
Arf, Cookie, Dean Logan, Doni Yourth, Evil, Greg T, Marco, Natan, Fulvio, Badblood, Billy, Boggy, Il Lupo & Newblood.
RACE ON UKGPL3

Group B
Phil Thornton, Piero Mercaldo, Rainier, Raoni, Robert Fleurke, Roberto Teso, Ronnie, Samb, Turkey Machine, Iestyn, Dave Curtis, Rog, Maddog, & Walter
RACE ON UKGPL_T7


ONE reset is allowed but the Shift R must be followed by a Stop & Go in the pit lane within TWO laps. If you Reset on the last lap a 15 second time penalty will be awarded. Drivers must complete 50% of the race distance to score.

Handicaps will not apply for this race.

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Server = UKGPL3
IP = ukgpl3.dyndns.org
Group B
Server=UKGPL_T7_2
IP = 62.149.202.168
Race date = 2 March 2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus original
Race length = 11 Laps
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Qualifying time = max. 30 minutes
Password: see above
Replays available here

GPL F2 Mod: The initial release of the F2 mod will be used. The mod can be found here

The Driver list, Championship Table and series rules can be found here: Formula Two Trophy

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated, the red zone will be from the start to the exist of Malmedy. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only or at the Moderators discretion.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 09:01:09 PM +0000 »

T7 server  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 09:53:06 PM +0000 »

Thanks Marco extreme fair driving!!! Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 09:55:52 PM +0000 »

Thought I should report a huge bar on the latency throughout this qually and race, well as far as the race went for me that is.

Started 8th on grid and was up to 4th as we approached La Source on lap 2 and it had been easy, just cruied up onto the tail of the leading trio and the Brabham was feeling absolutely stable and fast against those Matras. Then one of the leaders tripped over another under braking and two cars flew about throwing my latency bars wild!1 I can only surmise that one of them bounced back my way because I was suddenly flipped over and unable to escape from the server no matter how many keys or buttons I pressed!! Apologies to anyone who came across a car at La Source lying in the track, I was really trying my best to quit!!!

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 10:07:03 PM +0000 »

Yes Clive, Arf and Marco were warping crazy what I saw.
I had no issues except Marco's blocking...
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 10:20:56 PM +0000 »

Impossible to tell for certain from my replay cap as I had bad, bad warping almost all day.  My latency bar was way higher than normal and fluctuating.  I won't be making any rash statements here and now but my cap shows no fault on my part for two incidents.  I'm a bit alarmed to note Cookie's mention of Marco blocking.  Sad

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 10:24:23 PM +0000 »

Yup, my bars were going crazy then calming down for a bit before going off on one again. At the start only a couple of cars were warping, so I didn't think it was me. However after the debacle at Eau Rouge I got a fairly good lead, and settled down to keep it clean and consistent. Had one or two less than smooth moments, which must have let Marco into my draft. I started to think I might have been warping when he just took station behond me and followed me round - was it strategy, or was he just scared to pass me?? Looked like strategy when he left it til late on the last lap, and won by 0.7 secs. In reality it was quite processional, but I was happy to keep things consistent.

WD to Marco and Natan for the podiums, and everyone else that finished.

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 10:26:50 PM +0000 »

Thanks to Paul for sorting me out at short notice, grats to cookie and to podium.

Edit: I would also like to thank Arf for being 1/100th of a sec faster than me in qually.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 10:48:30 PM +0000 »


after the debacle at Eau Rouge I got a fairly good lead, and settled down to keep it clean and consistent.


Correction - after the T1 incident I had a great couple of laps dicing with Cookie, and with Marco not too far behind. Cookie had an incident at La Source on Lap 2 or 3 which gave me a comfortable lead, as it affected Marco too, and killed Clive. Cookie, I hope it wasn't the warp you mentioned that caused that?

I also noticed Clive's comment about being unable to escape from the race - I had that in the praccy server immediately before the race - never experienced that before.... was that the same server that we raced on?

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2014, 10:52:58 PM +0000 »

I don't know exactly what happened at Eau Rouge. It looked like the two cars in front of me touched and one or both went into the rail on the left. The right side looked perfectly clear when instantly a car appeared in the same place as mine perpendicular to the track. I was launched high into the sky. I'd guess at least one of the cars bounced off the rail on the left and back into me. I have no clue what happened after that.

Events at one point seemed to be conspiring to end my race early. After the reset and stop and go, I caught Dean at Les Combes. He spun and unfortunately I choose to go around on the outside and narrowly missed him, spun, and barely kept it off the rail. That would have been easy had I went inside and saved me a lot of time. I had contact with another car but I can't remember where or when. I was worried that would wreck or damage the car. Clive caught me a little off guard sitting on his top in the middle of La Source but I managed to get around him without much trouble. After that the second half was event free and pretty solitary.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2014, 11:07:38 PM +0000 »

Quali seemed to be run mostly solitary, and after a 32.7 I thought Roberto and Piero would need a tow to beat it, but Roberto managed a good lap in clean air and that 32.4 was a great late polelap!

Had a good start but gameplan was staying in leaddraft and make a move in the last lap, preferable in/towards Blanchimont. So I let Roberto and Piero fight it out, and then Jethro got caught out into the hairpin, I thought he wanted to pass me and I slowed abit at the inside line, miscommunication I think...

Ronnie made a good comeback but ran out of laps to get to the lead group, tough luck mate, but solid run Wink

In the final lap I tried to make a move into Blanchimont, Piero and me on the inside, and Roberto losing the lead on the outside. Went by Roberto who made a countermove to the inside, and I had to check up for Piero who went in the grass. Towards the hairpin tried to outbrake Piero but lost it and just was able to get P3 in front of Ronnie Wink

Congrats Roberto and well done Piero, well deserved Smiley

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2014, 11:15:28 PM +0000 »

Sorry about the latency issues. That was on UKGPL3 which only hosts the F2's. Don't think it has had any problems before but my local internet has been quite slow recently. Usable but slower than normal.

If the same happens next time, maybe we should swap to UKGPL8?

As for the race, kept my nose clean and that got me up to 6th. Was chasing Bill with a faster Doni behind me. Wasn't trying too hard to keep my team mate behind but I didn't want to lose Bill and was surprised it took Doni so long to get past. Planned to use him to draft up to Bill and launch a sneak attack under tow... but sadly forgot about driving my own lap and was so busy watching them overcooked it and flipped over. Lonely after that. Enjoyed it though.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2014, 11:24:43 PM +0000 »

Well, I joined what I thought was the correct server & then noticed Clive was in there.  Uh-oh! Better get out as I'm in the wrong server;   but when I joined the correct server he was still in there...Wink

Was going to take the Brabham as have been in that here before;   but with it looking like a ms7 spec race;  thought I'd give that a go instead.  At least there would be a personal fastest lap whatever time I posted!

So while I could not get the same setup to work too well at Zolder,  here it seemed to work out ok; for me/my expectations anyway.

Very pleased to have ended up with a provisional 5th.   Was happy enough with 6th place,  but was handed a place so I took it.


I'm still of the opinion that this series seems to be comprised of Lights (both grids) & then me.    

I think, I managed to make the couple of places without an overtake.  So, just plain lucky!


Cheers chaps.  Didn't see many other cars;  although there was a good tow going for a few laps so hopped on.

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2014, 11:35:27 PM +0000 »

I was having a good battle with Ronnie until Jethro lost it at La Carriére and spun in front of me.  I managed to avoid him but ended up rolling over and needing a shift R.  Lost at lot of places and time but I got going and started to chase down Rog, Bernie and David.  Managed to get on terms and went through Masta side by side on a couple of occasions.  First time was good, second time I got too close to the grass (I was trying to leave plenty of room) and spun out.  Didn't damage the car so I got going again but on the last lap I came across Bernie recovering at Les Combes and I couldn't avoid him.  Took a second shift R which means I'm DQ'ed I'll have to report myself Sad.

Some exciting moments (going through Masta side by side with David was cool) but a disappointing finish in the end. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2014, 12:53:33 AM +0000 »

I've had a chance to view the server replay.  I'll again ascert that I was blameless in the two incidents in which I was involved.

The first, the T1 fracas on Lap01, it is clear that I've made up ground on Greg(he bogged off the line)and I have swept around Marco convincingly.  I have a substantial margin in terms of distance and speed at the time of collision.  While I won't say that MM turned into me, clearly, P2 was mine for the taking going into Eau Rouge.

The second, a collision on the Masta Straight is less clear.  While I easily had a run on Billy(4mph in hand), it seems he was reluctant to share the road and rather than give way, proceeded to pinch me off to the extreme left.  I can't imagine this was intentional since the risk is too high.  Still, he made no effort to allow a safe pass.  Two laps earlier, I had virtually a carbon-copy of this scenario with Paul and I had to veer off the road to miss him.  Guys...  Give it up and live to fight another day.  Sad

Warp was horrible on the day.  It may well have played prominently in all incidents.  If this becomes SOP with the T7 server, there's hardly a lot of point in staging a race let alone participating.  It becomes a lottery.
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