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  • P9GT Charade: April 03, 2014
April 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100 - Charade (1989-) - UKPnG Season 9 GT Challenge
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Giuseppe Reali
 Team7
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 GTA-SA (#69118) P&G Group 5 1 2:07.961
76.677mph
1 41:34.085
74.745mph
19 2:09.372
75.840mph
Dunlop  
fzcfede
 Team7
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72061) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 2 +0.981
76.093mph
2 +0.755
74.722mph
19 2:09.452
75.793mph
Dunlop  
Animal Ed
 Team Oldie Racing
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72069) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 4 +2.161
75.403mph
3 +22.455
74.078mph
19 2:10.750
75.041mph
Dunlop  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
Ford Escort TC (70s) (#6803) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 3 +1.997
75.498mph
4 +38.840
73.599mph
19 2:10.658
75.094mph
Dunlop  
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 GTA-SA (#69118) P&G Group 5 6 +2.919
74.966mph
5 +39.019
73.594mph
19 2:11.089
74.847mph
Dunlop  
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72025) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 7 +3.061
74.885mph
6 +50.261
73.269mph
19 2:11.035
74.878mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72079) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 5 +2.510
75.201mph
7 +1:04.283
72.867mph
19 2:12.101
74.274mph
Dunlop  
Bob
 WSL Racing Team
Alfa Romeo Giulia 2000 GTAm (#71040) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 10 +5.797
73.353mph
8 +1:58.256
71.361mph
19 2:14.675
72.854mph
Firestone  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Renault Alpine A110 (#68061) P&G Group 3 U2L 11 +7.464
72.450mph
9 +1L
70.756mph
18 2:15.947
72.172mph
Dunlop  
Alex vV
 Gentlemen Drivers Club
Ford Escort TC (70s) (#6803) P&G 70s Gr2 U2L 13 +8.733
71.778mph
10 +20.328
70.184mph
18 2:16.167
72.056mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 14 +10.631
70.795mph
11 +1:14.372
68.709mph
18 2:17.379
71.420mph
Dunlop  
Hotkeys
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 12 +7.667
72.342mph
12 +10L 9 2:15.586
72.364mph
unknown
Dunlop  
wheel gone kid
 
Renault Alpine A110 (#68051) P&G Group 3 U2L 15 +13.019
69.596mph
13 +11L 8 2:19.429
70.370mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 GTA-SA (#69118) P&G Group 5 8 +3.223
74.793mph
14 +14L 5 2:12.414
74.098mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Jarda Zacek
 
Porsche 911 ST 2.5 (#72061) P&G 70s Gr4 O2L 9 +5.138
73.717mph
15 +16L 3 2:12.540
74.028mph
DQ
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Clive puts himself between two cars on the approach to a sharp hairpin turn on the first lap and gets clattered due to the movements of the surrounding vehicles. It is the responsibility of the following car to judge breaking distances of opponents and as this was the first time this turn was encountered Clive could not know what braking/actions the other drivers would adopt. If your going to be the filling in a car sandwich expect to have bites taken out of you. Racing incident.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
P&G Group 5
2:07.961
76.677mph
Giuseppe Reali
Qualifying
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 GTA-SAApril 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100
P9GT
GTR2
P&G Group 5
2:09.372
75.840mph
Giuseppe Reali
Race
Alfa Romeo Giulia 1600 GTA-SAApril 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100
P9GT
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr2 U2L
2:09.958
75.498mph
Geoffers
Qualifying
Ford Escort TC (70s)April 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100
P9GT
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr2 U2L
2:10.658
75.094mph
Geoffers
Race
Ford Escort TC (70s)April 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100
P9GT
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr4 O2L
2:08.942
76.093mph
fzcfede
Qualifying
Porsche 911 ST 2.5April 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100
P9GT
GTR2
P&G 70s Gr4 O2L
2:09.452
75.793mph
fzcfede
Race
Porsche 911 ST 2.5April 03, 2014, 08:43:47 PM +0100
P9GT
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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2014, 12:37:25 PM +0100 »

yes its a right pita, though good news is it feels much better today than it did yesterday...or is that the heavy dose of painkillers  Undecided

I'm at Monthlery track, south of Paris...52 degree concrete banking ala 60's Monza  Shocked should be mega with an eclectic grid of classic cars Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2014, 12:59:07 PM +0100 »

Hello guys, even if someone has posed questions about the historical accuracy of Alfa SA (as soon as I get some time I will illustrate the reasons for the technique choice of PnG), as long as you can take it I'll use it very happily, is my favorite Alfa  tt1


http://www.alfaworkshop.co.uk/alfa_giulia_gta_sa.shtml
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2014, 02:51:14 PM +0100 »


If you just need to know what is written there for me is fine, no problem  surrender
Maybe you're right, better to let it speak the chronometer  whistling

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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2014, 04:29:00 PM +0100 »

I thought that I was OK with Charade because we use it in GPL.  Grin

Needless to say it came as a shock last night to discover that 90% of the track is different!!!  Undecided  Some of those chicanes are tricky to get right and very easy to get wrong, as I proved last night in the 20 mins practice that I found time for.

Not looking good for tonight.  Sad
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2014, 06:41:10 PM +0100 »

Good news, I can join you this eve   Smiley  got my leg strapped up and full of painkillers...hardcore  Evil

Practise will be minimal/non existent so will have to rely on memory and god-given talent  Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2014, 07:28:34 PM +0100 »

Sounds like you might be in deep trouble
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2014, 09:03:56 PM +0100 »

That was looking good for another Team Oldie 'Points Scoring shock!' headline, as half way round lap one we were up to 3rd & 4th...

If only they dished out points for your position after half a lap :'(

I gave Clive room up my inside of a hairpin & was letting him through & for some reason my rear end just kept on going, causing my spin... & a car coming behind probably had nowhere to go (sorry) & flipped me on my roof. So from 4th to last in one corner & with the added bonus of suspension damage.

Was fun coming through the pack but car was just to wild for me & esc'ed before causing another issue Sad
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2014, 10:24:28 PM +0100 »



I gave Clive room up my inside of a hairpin & was letting him through ...........

Noted!  Grin  Many thanks.

I spent the whole race looking at the rear end of an Oldie and then when my tyres were shot I under steered wide at the last corner and let Geoffers have 4th.  One of my last lap special offers that I keep giving to the pesky Kerbies!

Grats to Giuseppe, Federico and Ed in what ever order they finished.  Grin
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2014, 10:50:32 PM +0100 »

Qually went well, got 5th with a new pb for me.  Smiley

Race start was my usual poor affair as about 5 cars overtook me before the first corner  Roll Eyes I just don't get how, I'm revving the car, dropping the clutch and going and yet every time I'm swamped off the line.
Avoided all the odd contacts happening on lap 1 and soon got back to 5th/6th but Frex did a last second lane change in the braking zone giving me nowhere to go so I unfortunately clumped him then geoffers clumped me, punting me into the Armco. Cost me 15 seconds to get going again  Sad
Caught and past a few guys then had a really dull solo race for about 14 of the 19 laps, can't say I enjoyed that.  yawn

Attendances are down about 10 drivers compared to last season   Sad don't know why.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2014, 11:33:05 PM +0100 »

Frex did a last second lane change in the braking zone giving me nowhere to go

That's not how i see it.. Just took my normal line there, although admittedly i was probably braking ridiculously early in which case my apologies and not your fault. Strangely, I just couldn't get the 911 to feel nice here, specially under braking/turn-in. Should have tried the Alpine..

And a dull race for me too - Kept Geoffers in sight til about 3/4 distance, then started to lose pace and drop further behind. Didn't enjoy that one.

Congrats podium.
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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2014, 08:04:12 AM +0100 »

Sorry Frex wasn't meant as having a pop at you, from my seat it looked like you were taking a defensive inside line for the tight right 2nd corner as I had carried more momentum through the sweeping left hander to come up fast on your left. But then you moved over to take the normal line and braked and I couldn't avoid contact. My reactions are maybe not as fast after 3 days of painkillers   Tongue so sorry for the contact, a racing incident!  Kiss
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2014, 10:01:06 AM +0100 »

Sorry, couldn't make the race yesterday. I like the layout of this track, nice combination of corners with elevation changes and some possible overtake spots. Too bad i missed the race then.
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2014, 10:41:45 AM +0100 »

No worries Mark and no need to apologise. Just wanted to point out that i wasn't actively trying to block you there or anything. Sorry you came off worse and lost so much time.
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2014, 11:28:34 AM +0100 »

Good fun as always, really enjoyed it despite a bad first lap.

Yeh, first lap was a bit of a mess, was a bit slow away, too much wheelspin, then got bumped wide at T2 when I tried to go around the outside of Animal Ed, which allowed Legzy & Clive to go past. A few corners later Legzy lost it & spun right into my path & despite standing on the brakes I bumped into him which flipped his car over. Sorry Legzy nothing I could do to avoid you. This dropped me to about 9th or 10th place.

Passed a couple of cars & closed on Frex & MJ who had a coming together at T2 which again I couldn't avoid & bumped into MJ. Sorry MJ, you just stopped in the middle of the track! Soon caught up with Jarda who promptly decided to have a disco when I was right on his rear bumper  Shocked. Expected him to reappear about 100m further on so slowed a bit to avoid any collision but he then left so carried on.

Spent the rest of the race chasing Clive & Ed, didn't make any impression on the gap for several laps but near the end I closed in & caught Clive with a couple of laps to go. Unfortunately I got a bit too close at one point & bumped him into a spin, so waited for Clive to regain the place & resumed hostilities! Looked like I had lost the battle approaching the final corner, but Clive obligingly understeered wide & I nipped past on the inside to pinch 4th place. Cheers Clive  thumbup1

Congrats to Giuseppe, Federico & Ed.  clap clap clap
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« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2014, 11:52:34 AM +0100 »

Another race where I only discovered in the later laps that I had far too much rubber on my tyres, and that I should be far more aggressive with the downshifts. The setup I used seemed very slow on top end, not sure exactly why, but i was being caught and passed far too easily on the straight bits. I think the ratios needed some rethinking as the car appeared to bog down out of some of the slower corners and probably compromised my terminal velocity.

The early laps were fun with WGK at the back of the field, but when he dropped back it was a lonely 16 laps to the finish with only the leaders lapping for company.

Like I said in post race chat.." it was the kerbs that were abusing me!!" provoking a couple of spins through the chicanes, although the loss of time had no impact on my race position.   Undecided
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