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April 06, 2014, 10:37:05 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67)
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reason
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Artiglietti
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:46.626
104.900mph
1 50:40.597
103.000mph
28 1:47.363
104.180mph
Goodyear  
GregT
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.923
104.000mph
2 +7.045
102.762mph
28 1:47.688
103.865mph
Firestone  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.348
104.559mph
3 +8.921
102.699mph
28 1:47.213
104.326mph
Goodyear  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.317
103.620mph
4 +28.042
102.059mph
28 1:47.931
103.632mph
Firestone  
K.Miele
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.910
103.054mph
5 +58.478
101.057mph
28 1:48.948
102.664mph
Firestone  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.276
103.659mph
6 +1:04.925
100.847mph
28 1:47.943
103.620mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +2.441
102.552mph
7 (+1) +1:31.239
99.999mph
28 1:48.897
102.712mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 15 +4.973
100.225mph
8 +1L
97.837mph
27 1:51.578
100.244mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.427
103.515mph
9 +17L
101.229mph
11 1:49.066
102.553mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.242
103.692mph
10 +24L
99.137mph
4 1:49.224
102.405mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +3.068
101.966mph
11 +25L
96.452mph
3 1:51.548
100.271mph
Disco
Firestone  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +1.992
102.976mph
12 +26L
95.216mph
2 1:51.787
100.057mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +2.073
102.899mph
13 (+1) +28L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 14 +3.776
101.312mph
14
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0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +3.002
102.027mph
15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 16 ---
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Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 ---
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Firestone  

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Clive is following K. Miele and moves right for the braking zone. Sadly he doesn't leave himself quite enough room and clips the car in front. Race over. Misjudgement but Clive should have left more room. Slightly different braking points prove his undoing.

As he spins out others take avoiding action and do well.


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Ronnie doesn't quite keep it tight enough at the hairpin and tags Andreas. They collect Doni who bravely tries to continue on 3 wheels!

Ronnie needed to wait a fraction of a second more but Andreas had completed the corner and had the line. Just a mistake though, nothing more.

Doni was very unlucky.

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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2014, 11:27:49 PM +0100 »

Very frustrating... wanted to burn some tokens on the Eagle for this one, but practice suggested that I would destroy the engine. So, I tried to decide betweeen the Brabham and Ferrari, both of which I *appeared* to be able to drive without killing. I was a bit nervous about the engine temps I was running, and a quick chat with Greg confirmed I was running close to where would get nervous, so went for the Brabham..well I was quicker in it anyway...

Onto qually. Surprised to get up to P4 early doors, and even more surprised to keep it. Thought I could go faster, but as I was coming down the straight Tris came out the pits and stayed 100 yds on front of me for 3 laps and destroyed any chance of going faster - Tris, that wasn't cool. I make a point of getting out of people's way on warm up laps, and plenty of people did it for me tonight (I can only thank Clive as an example off the top of my head, but he wasn't the only one). Its not explicitly part of the rules, but there has been much discussion of it this season...Uncle Doni will be displeased with you!!

Onto the race...one of the three ahead of me was slow off the line, and I passed him. I tried to be careful into T1. Others were, I felt, more reckless, and how we all came out past the polos unscathed is more blind luck than judgement, methinks. I settled in for a challenging race. Can't remember who was in front, but Tommie wasn't far behind. Found it interesting that he couldn't draft me on the straight, and I couldn't get a draft away from him. Didn't matter much on lap 5, as my inability to preserve an engine here came back and bit me yet again...and probably gave Tommie a fright as well?

All was not lost for Team Baarf though, as Deutsche Telekom have finally deigned to let Baab back into the fray (after only 4 ****** months), and I see he's picked up a few points. Nice.

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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2014, 11:28:45 PM +0100 »

Three Hondas in the race and between the lot, logged about five laps grand total.  Sad

Grats to Art, Greg and Robert!
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2014, 01:00:01 AM +0100 »

Quali was OK, with a 46er I sat out last 15 mins, only doing a full fuel lap, but Attilio did a great lap with that 46.6, and I had to settle for P2. Mediocre start, would have been third after T1, if not for hitting a tirekerb and bogging down, going three Brabhams wide  Shocked

So fell back to P5 on Lap 1, and couldn't find a good rhythm on cold tires. Moved up to P4 when Bob spun, and got closer to Tristan. Was able to pass him in T1 after 10 laps when he went a bit wide, and he followed close for half a lap, before I could drive a way a bit and he retired.

Second half of the race was better finding a rhythm and running mostly 47s. Ran out of laps to threaten Greg for P2, but solid result after a difficult start.

Congrats Attilio, well deserved, and Greg for a great drive to P2. Good job finishers and commiserations to those having to retire...
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2014, 11:15:36 AM +0100 »

Jethro, I used it the other night. Looked good, in fact my latency bar (always has a little bit of red) was possibly the lowest I've ever seen for quite a while!

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I am both shocked and not really surprised at that. It's on a lightly-used UK BT-backed VDSL2 (FTTC) connection. I know the back-haul stats of the main-link every day, and to be honest GPL doesn't even break a sweat on it.

Interestingly, I did traces and ping-tests of UKGPL_GPG, and UKGPL_T7_2's public IP addresses. The ping of T7 was consistent, but the trace was 12 or 13 from my connection (from London I counted Hurricane Electric's route going to Paris, Zurich, then Milan and spending 3 hops in Italy before going to Gamesclan). UKGPL_GPG was variable ping, but a shorter hop. It would seem Liberty Global now own the internet back-bone of T7's server, and could be the result of the poorer performance (is theirs a virtual box or a physical one)?
GPG is located in Netherland, so closer to UK, but private account. T7 is a dedicated rented physical box.
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2014, 11:54:55 AM +0100 »

Very frustrating... wanted to burn some tokens on the Eagle for this one, but practice suggested that I would destroy the engine. So, I tried to decide betweeen the Brabham and Ferrari, both of which I *appeared* to be able to drive without killing. I was a bit nervous about the engine temps I was running, and a quick chat with Greg confirmed I was running close to where would get nervous, so went for the Brabham..well I was quicker in it anyway...

Onto qually. Surprised to get up to P4 early doors, and even more surprised to keep it. Thought I could go faster, but as I was coming down the straight Tris came out the pits and stayed 100 yds on front of me for 3 laps and destroyed any chance of going faster - Tris, that wasn't cool. I make a point of getting out of people's way on warm up laps, and plenty of people did it for me tonight (I can only thank Clive as an example off the top of my head, but he wasn't the only one). Its not explicitly part of the rules, but there has been much discussion of it this season...Uncle Doni will be displeased with you!!

Onto the race...one of the three ahead of me was slow off the line, and I passed him. I tried to be careful into T1. Others were, I felt, more reckless, and how we all came out past the polos unscathed is more blind luck than judgement, methinks. I settled in for a challenging race. Can't remember who was in front, but Tommie wasn't far behind. Found it interesting that he couldn't draft me on the straight, and I couldn't get a draft away from him. Didn't matter much on lap 5, as my inability to preserve an engine here came back and bit me yet again...and probably gave Tommie a fright as well?

All was not lost for Team Baarf though, as Deutsche Telekom have finally deigned to let Baab back into the fray (after only 4 ****** months), and I see he's picked up a few points. Nice.

Arf

Unfortunately the Ferrari is not as fast down the straights as one would think, and the draft in 1967 GPL is not as long as one would think. Also, this track is more difficult than one would think  Grin . The smoke suddenly pouring out of your engine did gave me a bit of a fright, but not as much as last time around at Albi. Also I thought I heared some scrambled gear changes in preceding laps so I was on my guard a little bit Smiley .

I'm glad to finish, this is a difficult track and I tried to do everything to survive, which included lifting off when three Brabham's decided to make it three wide in lap 2, T2  Shocked . Neven seen that without a collision, there is a first for everything Cheesy . Very competitive and close field, and in the first part of the race Arf, Bob, Tristan, Robert, Frank and me were running pretty close together. I managed to keep it on the track for the most part with only one spin and some bending of the armco here and there, and managed to move up due to attrition, which was exactly the plan as I couldn't manage it on pure pace alone. Happy with P4 Smiley .
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2014, 01:14:45 PM +0100 »

BRM didn't get much further, Doni! Crashed on lap 3 approaching turn 1. Better luck in the next races hopefully!

The start and the battle at the front were good to see. Grats!
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2014, 02:09:29 PM +0100 »

I see it was actually lap 1 when Robert, Arf and Bob made it three wide! There were a couple more things going on behind me which I wasn't even fully aware of at the time. How everybody kept going is a miracle Grin . Very close racing indeed.

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2014, 02:57:51 PM +0100 »

Unfortunately the Ferrari is not as fast down the straights as one would think, and the draft in 1967 GPL is not as long as one would think. Also, this track is more difficult than one would think  Grin . The smoke suddenly pouring out of your engine did gave me a bit of a fright, but not as much as last time around at Albi. Also I thought I heared some scrambled gear changes in preceding laps so I was on my guard a little bit Smiley .

Haha! I'd forgotten you were the one behind me at Albi as well ...I shall now be nervous if you are ever behind me.... I don't recall messing up my shifting in this race, but I'll check the replay, as I need to get to the bottom of this..

The picture you've shown is of the exit out of the polos, I think. I was definitely on my guard there. I suspect I'm the middle Brab as I knew I couldn't move left or right for fear of contact. Must check to see how both of them got out the corner so quickly to be passing me so soon after the exit, although I was treading on the accelerator VERY carefully....
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2014, 03:40:16 PM +0100 »

As the BRM at the top of that shot, I couldn't quite believe what I saw in front of me! 5 cars in the space for 3! I was then mugged after following cautiously by Miele into the next corner! Behind, it was kicking off as well and I just avoided some flying cars too!  angel
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2014, 04:26:17 PM +0100 »

I see it was actually lap 1 when Robert, Arf and Bob made it three wide! There were a couple more things going on behind me which I wasn't even fully aware of at the time. How everybody kept going is a miracle Grin . Very close racing indeed.



The picture you've shown is of the exit out of the polos, I think. I was definitely on my guard there. I suspect I'm the middle Brab as I knew I couldn't move left or right for fear of contact. Must check to see how both of them got out the corner so quickly to be passing me so soon after the exit, although I was treading on the accelerator VERY carefully....

I hit a tirekerb and bogged down on Lap 1, used 2nd only in hairpin, for the rest 3rd and higher. Here I'm in third gear, allowing me to exit without wheelspin. Bob got me though. I thought you lifted and let me live Arf Wink

Great job by all to make it through without wrecking! Smiley I remember Tristan passed me later that lap, after a mistake. Lap 1 was rather messy on my part, and lost a lot of time there to the leaders. Only after 10 laps after passing Tristan back I could find a good rhythm.

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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2014, 04:41:27 PM +0100 »

Good race long battle with Greg for me, I enjoyed it and was very happy to take the win in the end. The Ferrari is not particularly faster than the Brabham around here, but its speed advantage down the straight is considerable, at least judging from how easily Greg breezed past at the start, as my get away wasn't that bad really. So, once the potentially troublesome T1 was negotiated safely, I figured it was going to be a matter of staying close and wait for my chance. It took half the race for that to materialise, but it finally did in the shape of a slow motion half spin at the hairpin by Greg, who was still facing the right way but couldn't do anything else other than watch me slip past, as I was too close behind. After that it was just a case of not making mistakes and prevent the Ferrari from getting too close at the exit of the last corner. I could up my pace a little, and survived a couple of wobbles to go and take a nice win. The Brabham wasn't the easiest car to lap around here with all that torque, but have to say it's solid as a tank, my downshifts were terrible from start to finish.. Grin. Grats to Greg for a very resilient challenge, and podium and finishers. See you soon.
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2014, 06:01:30 PM +0100 »

Great race Attilio! Congratulations! That was a very good drive. You're just too fast for me. I tried to hold onto to the championship lead but I wasn't quite sharp enough. I needed to be perfect and have my equipment function perfectly. I'm pleased though. I didn't give up the points lead without a fight. I did a nice job of holding onto it for almost half the race. And being able to keep Attilio in sight for almost all of the race, is a pretty good accomplishment for me.

That race was very difficult while being very fun too. I didn't expect to do as well as I did but I thought I could at least place 5th and wouldn't have been too surprised to sneak onto the podium in 3rd. I guess I had something of an advantage that I like this track somewhat. It appears many don't like it at all. I don't like the hairpin and I'm not too fond of the turn immediately after it. The MS80 in the 1st 69 mod is a blast to drive here!

Qualifying went fairly well for me. I set my time early I think. It was only .18 off my PB so I was satisfied with it. I didn't think that I'd be able to do much better than 1:47.5 today but I should be able to get the 312 into the 1:46's with some more practice. It would be easy speed shifting and taking some wild chances. I went out a second time thinking I might need a better time because so many were just a few tenths behind me. I ended my qualifying by blowing the engine trying to keep up with Attilio. It's highly doubtful I could have matched Robert's time had it held together but any improvement would have been nice for insurance against losing a position.

I couldn't have asked for a better start. I didn't even think about gaining any positions on the start. All I wanted to do was stay out of the way and the lead looked like the best place. I should have known the 312's higher power would work well in a drag race against the Brabham. I didn't seem to have any real advantage on top speed though. I worried a little at first thinking Attilio is going to be all over me and I'd be holding him back. If I was slowing him it wasn't much so I quickly forgot about that. I couldn't forget about blowing the engine in qualifying and worried I'd do it again. I was very abusive to the engine early in the race. I was able to calm down after 5 laps and start shifting a little sooner and cleaner. I was doing good until around the mid point of the race. I spun in the hairpin and Attilio passed. I was glad I didn't hit anything and there was enough room for Attilio to get by without incident. I recovered fairly quickly and was able to pressure him a little bit but I couldn't do it for long. I had serious doubts I could beat Attilio but I was disappointed to give up the lead when I should have been able to hold it at least 3 or 4 more laps. I was real sloppy at times in the second half of the race. I struggled terribly at times, while watching Robert cut into my lead. A few more laps and I likely would have fell another position. Iestyn mentioned that I may have damaged the car and he may be correct. I've knocked the Cooper out of alignment a couple of times that took a second off my lap times with no damage recorded in GPLRA. I set my fastest lap on the lap before I lost the lead. I thought the car was just driving crappier as I burned off fuel.

My downshift button has started working bad lately. Sometimes after two presses the car still wouldn't have downshifted once. It really screwed with my timing in turn 1 on some laps. It was very disconcerting at the hairpin too. I figure I lost at least 2 or 3 seconds over the course of the race because of it. I can't remember if it contributed to my spin or not. I think that was likely due to my difficulties with the white line on the left side of the track when turning into the hairpin.

Arf, I ran this race at about 208F. All the time I spent each lap at low revs and partial throttle in second gear made me where I was never concerned with my engine temps. Plus I was only running 10.5K rpms at the end of the front straight when light on fuel. That's why I couldn't tell you what temps I was running on the practice server. At Albi I was at full throttle for a much larger portion of each lap and running the engine close to 11k at the end of the straights. Only concern I had about the engine at Mexico was overrevving when shifting. I've run it at 230F for somewhat long periods on INT damage but I'm wary of running it over 220F on realistic damage. I ran it up to 225F at Albi but didn't keep it there long. I started shifting at no higher than 10.5K and used second gear in the hairpin and that brought the temps down to 215F or less.

I have to say that was a very nice job by all the finishers. This track has a few turns that are very easy to wreck a car. Without the good start and fairly strong 1st half Robert easily could have beat me. Tommie got a solid finish too. Only reason 4th would have disappointed me was because I had managed to lead the race. Killer showed some nice consistency. I've become a fan of Andreas'. He may be slow but he keeps on trying and he consistently finishes. In future seasons when you drive the fastest cars I may try to drive the slowest cars so you'll have some more company on the track. Wow!!! Three wide exiting turn two. I bet the chances of that happening are very slim.

Boy, it appears to have been a horrible day for Honda and Blue Moose Racing. It looks like Iestyn used all his mojo on Saturday. I had a spectacular Friday only to be followed by an awful Saturday. Luckily I was able to recover Sunday.

Thanks guys! I appreciate racing with you. It's one of the funnest hobbies I've ever had.
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2014, 08:50:39 PM +0100 »

One driver not tight enough or one not wide enough? Obvious call as usual  Roll Eyes.

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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2014, 08:54:57 PM +0100 »

Andrea was very wide and ahead - yep it was fairly obvious. Take a look at the overhead.
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« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2014, 03:52:23 PM +0100 »

Andrea was very wide and ahead - yep it was fairly obvious. Take a look at the overhead.

I'm not disputing the penalty against me here at Mexico if that's what the moderator/s has decided. But do we have a level playing field for all? Maybe the outstanding moderations from Mosport (Works) and Kyalami (Pros) will provide the answer.
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