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  • S2667W Mexico City: April 06, 2014
April 06, 2014, 10:37:05 PM +0100 - Mexico City (1962-1979) - UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Works Trophy (67)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Artiglietti
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 1 1:46.626
104.900mph
1 50:40.597
103.000mph
28 1:47.363
104.180mph
Goodyear  
GregT
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 3 +0.923
104.000mph
2 +7.045
102.762mph
28 1:47.688
103.865mph
Firestone  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 2 +0.348
104.559mph
3 +8.921
102.699mph
28 1:47.213
104.326mph
Goodyear  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +1.317
103.620mph
4 +28.042
102.059mph
28 1:47.931
103.632mph
Firestone  
K.Miele
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 8 +1.910
103.054mph
5 +58.478
101.057mph
28 1:48.948
102.664mph
Firestone  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 5 +1.276
103.659mph
6 +1:04.925
100.847mph
28 1:47.943
103.620mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 11 +2.441
102.552mph
7 (+1) +1:31.239
99.999mph
28 1:48.897
102.712mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 15 +4.973
100.225mph
8 +1L
97.837mph
27 1:51.578
100.244mph
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +1.427
103.515mph
9 +17L
101.229mph
11 1:49.066
102.553mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 4 +1.242
103.692mph
10 +24L
99.137mph
4 1:49.224
102.405mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 HikiWazaRacing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 13 +3.068
101.966mph
11 +25L
96.452mph
3 1:51.548
100.271mph
Disco
Firestone  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +1.992
102.976mph
12 +26L
95.216mph
2 1:51.787
100.057mph
Disco
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +2.073
102.899mph
13 (+1) +28L
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0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 14 +3.776
101.312mph
14
---
0 ---
---
Disco
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 12 +3.002
102.027mph
15 DNS ---
---
Goodyear  
Gpg UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 16 16 ---
---
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 ---
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Firestone  

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Clive is following K. Miele and moves right for the braking zone. Sadly he doesn't leave himself quite enough room and clips the car in front. Race over. Misjudgement but Clive should have left more room. Slightly different braking points prove his undoing.

As he spins out others take avoiding action and do well.


Server replay time: 0h01m53s

Ronnie doesn't quite keep it tight enough at the hairpin and tags Andreas. They collect Doni who bravely tries to continue on 3 wheels!

Ronnie needed to wait a fraction of a second more but Andreas had completed the corner and had the line. Just a mistake though, nothing more.

Doni was very unlucky.

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« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2014, 05:40:17 PM +0100 »

But do we have a level playing field for all?

Yes, Ronnie we have!

If you were a mod, you would see some long threads discussing some difficult decisions a moderator had to do!
Of course there can be different points of view regarding an incident, but the decisions are allways done following the majority of the moderators, even if the division moderator is not happy with it!!!

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If a mod is involved he may not be part of this process!
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« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2014, 06:33:38 PM +0100 »

But do we have a level playing field for all?

Yes, Ronnie we have!

If you were a mod, you would see some long threads discussing some difficult decisions a moderator had to do!
Of course there can be different points of view regarding an incident, but the decisions are allways done following the majority of the moderators, even if the division moderator is not happy with it!!!

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If a mod is involved he may not be part of this process!

Whether we have a level playing field for all remains to be seen as I said in my opinion.

As for mods involved in incidents not being involved in the process, their fellow mods, as you state, are.

Far from debatable some decisions this and previous seasons have simply been wrong, in my opinion.
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« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2014, 06:37:06 PM +0100 »

I think Mosport has been done and in terms of a level playing field I don't even look at who is involved in the incident on the first view!

As for Mosport, look at the speedos on the cars involved from the In Car view and the relative positions of the cars when Greg's car spins out.

Always happy to explain how a moderation view was reached.

If you look at the moderation for Works Zeltweg and just look at Tristans car position, you would think penalty for sure but wind back a bit to see the warp mentioned.

None of these decisions are reached lightly and a considerable amount of time is spent on them. They are also applied without bias and moderators never moderate themselves.
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« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2014, 06:59:43 PM +0100 »

LOL Ronnie this is a weird conspiracy theory Grin Grin Grin
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As for mods involved in incidents not being involved in the process, their fellow mods, as you state, are.

Now you must become a moderator!
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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2014, 07:04:29 PM +0100 »

Guys I have the utmost respect for you both and the work of all the moderators for that matter.

While I accept, as always, the only opinion that counts on these matters is yours, I am still entitled to my own I hope.

The problem with the Mosport moderation which has just been done is not that I think you are wrong on this occasion to call it a racing incident. But in identical circumstances you have penalised other drivers. That is not a level playing field for all, in my opinion.

Therefore to me this moderation does go some way to answering the question I posed regarding the current state of the moderation process.

No conspiracy theories being suggested by me just the simple question is the moderation process offering a level playing field for all drivers.

 

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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2014, 07:24:25 PM +0100 »

Ronnie,

speaking for myself, this is how I see it:

The level playing field is kind of the penalty guidelines, the rules, and the racing etiquette in general. But you must understand each moderator has his own "style", and we will never be perfectly consistent. We try to be as consistent as we can though, according to UKGPL guidelines.

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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2014, 07:39:52 PM +0100 »

 to answer your comment Robert

In my opinion one of the problems with the moderation process this season in particular has been the ignoring of "UKGPL racing etiquette" in a mistaken attempt to make incidents fit the penalty guidelines even when they are not appropriate. Too often, for me, no consideration is being given to the part played by drivers behaviour in the immediate run up to incidents even when it is clearly the cause of the incident.

Robert, Paul, Axl.  I am happy to continue this debate in the good spirit shown so far. But have no wish to see it deteriorate, so don't feel obliged to respond to the moaning of a driver who is just sad that season 26 is coming to an end, if I am getting on your nerves. 
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