UKPnG Season 9 Knock Out Sports Car Cup - Imola - May 22

[EvilClive]

If it is any consolation Doni, at least you got to join the qualifying !

I thought I had solved my PnG probs and ran a few laps offline before opting to join the server.
 It all looked to be hooking up nicely until my name appeared to be "loading" and  .................CTD. Tried again but PnG would not even start, so looks like something is corrupted somewhere?? 

[Mark J]

Moggett did you remember to lower the fuel reading in the 2nd page of the garage menu where it lists the number of pit stops and fuel to be put in at each of them? That nearly caught me out but I altered them literally before sitting on the grid. That would over-ride your request for no fuel I think, if pre-set.

Clive you have severe kerb phobia!! Imola is a fantastic track for p&g IMO. The natural flow of the corners encourages some kerb useage and hence why the Italians put smooth kerbs and green concrete on the apexs and exits ! With worn tyres and wayward vintage race cars kerb useage is inevitable anyway whether guys want to use it deliberately or not.

[Clive Loynes]

Clive you have severe kerb phobia!! Imola is a fantastic track for p&g IMO. The natural flow of the corners encourages some kerb useage and hence why the Italians put smooth kerbs and green concrete on the apexs and exits ! With worn tyres and wayward vintage race cars kerb useage is inevitable anyway whether guys want to use it deliberately or not.

What you say is perfectly true but rules are rules.  There was no lifting of our "two wheels on the tarmac" rule so everyone should have been complying.

It was possible to race without leaving the tarmac because, to the best of my knowledge, I did it.  (Apart from Frex frightening me off the track at one point)  But to do that you have to go slower. 

If the corner cutting limits were aligned with our rules then I suspect that everyone would have approached each chicane somewhat differently.  As it is, several people would have clocked up a stop-n-go penalty by the end of lap one!

You can't have a "race" if some people are using a different track.

If I had been racing just as an individual, rather than as part of SBRC, I wouldn't even have taken part last night because I knew exactly what was going to happen.

[Legzy]

Well that was the 5th race in this series & the 3rd one won & dominated by Pork. Pleased to see the back of another Pork, as am looking forward to seeing the 2nd half of this season, which looks like it will be quite promising.


My goodness, I sound nearly as full of cheer as Clive

[Mark J]

Is Jardas finishing position right in 5th? Could have sworn he was well behind me at race end  so not sure how he could have got two places ahead.

Blimey Clive and his kerbs and Legzys hate for pork, miserable buggers 
 

On a positive note we got 13 drivers back, just a few more would be nice. But I'm away next week 

[Clive Loynes]

Is Jardas finishing position right in 5th? Could have sworn he was well behind me at race end  so not sure how he could have got two places ahead.

He finished in front of me and after I have checked later today I may be able to congratulate him on being the first driver home who wasn't all over the curbs!

Perhaps!

[Mogget]

I don't like the chicane at Imola. In fact, I suspect that it has been modified a bit since the 2004 version, because I watched a real world race there on TV the other week, and it looked more like a "tight S" than the stupid chicane that is part of the GTR2 track. I openly admit that it is quite possible that my approaches to that chicane were less than desirable, but I get the feeling that most drivers probably take the same line. I will check the replay to see how my lines looked from an external viewpoint, and report back...

[Animal Ed]

Scrub it! Scrub it! 
Clive, believe me, it is not joke on you. It`s on me and all my mistakes that I was able to do in this race! About kerb policy later ...

First mistake as follows: 906/8 is really quiet and I was not able to hear my engine on start = lousy start. Is it really that much hard to lower opponents car volume? No, it is not and that`s why I have sticky note on my monitor now.

Second mistake: After few laps behind frex and Clive, watching them playing funny games (everything fair and square but frustrating for me not able to shift 5th gear before Senna s) I did manage to pass and then make mistake in Gilles chicane ( last night had deja vu in AC race) ...   

Third and biggest: Pit stop!!! I dont understand why nobody from my pit crew didn`t find it appropriate to warn me that I must cut the engine in order to get fuel! I was sitting like ficus for, at least 15 seconds!
Then they start to fix the damage! Why??!!! It`s only a paint damage!
Result: 2 minutes in pit! 


Now about kerb policy ... and cutting chicanes.
Didn`t watch replay yet so can`t speak about others behavior. I was trying to pass that chicane with inner two wheels at least on white line surrounding kerb.
Not sure if I did it every time but there was no intention to gain time by cutting more than says in rulebook ...

I was notty in few occasions, not on that chicane, car fully under control - in self defence: it is hard to see when you are so close to another racer trying not to do something stupid like bump him out of your way, than you find out that 906/8 was able to turn in better than GT40 ...   

[phspok]

I find the kerbs here to be challenging, the ones at Variante Alta are killers, if you take too much kerb there
I believe it is no faster, and often leads to a spin they are so violent, other places you can take some advantage
I was trying to keep two wheels on the black, but I expect I didn't always manage it.

This was not my intended version, I intended to use the 1994 one without the daft Senna Chicane, but I messed
up the anouncement, so sorry for that, but my personal oppinion is that some excessive kerbing is going to happen
here and I would not be putting in any incident reports unless someone was deliberately going on the grass
on every lap.

[Mogget]

I have had a good look at the replay of my race....and I am not entirely happy with at least 4 entries to Variante Alta, and my general line through Acque Minerale. Whilst (as I have already mentioned) the Daytona is quite a tough drive at Imola, it isn't really correct to have all four tyres off the tarmac at any time in a race, no matter where you are. Now, there is a very wide "apron" area to the left of the Acque Minerale exit, and it is all too easy to assume that this can be used as part of the race track. I generally try to keep myself out of this area when racing at Imola, but I think that I could have done a considerably better job in Thursday's race. As for those 4 entries to Varianta Alta.....I turned in slightly too early, and ended up skimming the grass on those occasions.

Bearing this in mind, I have no objection to being penalised for these transgressions. Imola is a particularly difficult track to get right with respect to kerbs and run off areas, but there is no excuse for doing it multiple times. I leave it up to the track stewards to take any action that is deemed necessary, and I will remember to be more careful next time.

[phspok]

There is nothing in our guidlines that say you will be penalised for occasional wanderings off the track
We ask that people keep two wheels on the track "most" of the time.
I watched some chunks of the replay, and the leaders were 2 wheels on for most of the time for the
parts I watched, Clive is particularly good at staying on the track, but even he had at least one
4 wheels off. I think most people had some corners where they didn't aways go where they intended
I had several, as the GT40 is a bit unwieldy round here, but again I believe I managed to stay within
our rules.

The 906-8 had the most points so it will not be in the next event.

[FullMetalGasket]

Having just read the Srou track limit definitions they seem to be in agreement with the MSA rules on the subject, with kerbs being considered a legitimate racing surface. Aside from errors on my part on a few occasions where I ended up staying across the Kurbs and onto the painted green concrete (classed as grass in the rule books) I can assure you I was driving to those guidelines - based on the 6 laps or so I was stuck to his rear wing I feel confident to say that Geoffers was also driving within those rules.

Technicalities aside I had great fun return to P&G after yet another hiatus. I had been going to Plump for the 911 as I love driving it so much but just happened to hit on a setup for the 906 which was great fun to drive (might be something to do with the super hard tires I chose to avoid having to change them in my stop).
Sadly after making the first mistake while chasing Geoffers I proceeded to go on and make at least another 3 unforced trips into the sand or to simply spin exiting corners/chicanes.
I think the race to the flag would have been spectacular if I'd remained on track to hassle Geoffers all the way to the flag!

[Geoffers]

I don't think any of us are deliberately trying to cheat by cutting corners, its simply that we are trying to go as fast as possible & consequently make a few mistakes. As I said before the 906/8 is not my favourite car & although I hit upon a setup which made it much more stable it is still a difficult car to drive & not an easy one to be accurate with. I watched some of the replay of both mine & other peoples driving & I don't think anyone was deliberately cutting corners & gaining any advantage. Sure most people were getting all 4 wheels off the track occasionally (even Clive!), but no one was consistently cutting.

I think the reason Clive was a bit more successful at staying on the track was

a) he was in a car which was a bit easier to drive, &
b) he is a better driver than the rest of us.

[Wiltshire Tony]

I think the reason Clive was a bit more successful at staying on the track was

a) he was in a car which was a bit easier to drive, &
b) he is a better driver than the rest of us.

Is this a multiple choice question? If so I go a)  

[Clive Loynes]

I think the reason Clive was a bit more successful at staying on the track was

a) he was in a car which was a bit easier to drive, &
b) he is a better driver than the rest of us.

Is this a multiple choice question? If so I go a)  

Me too.

But I chose a car that I could keep on the track!


For the record, I don't think that anyone was deliberately trying to cut corners.

I just don't think that they were deliberately trying to stay on the track either!  And that's the difference.

The track should not be used unless we scrap our regs and say so at the start.