UKGPL Season 26 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65) - Kyalami - Apr 1

[Robert Fleurke]

Again, very lucky win.

You must be very lucky Rob - I have been doing this for about five years and I haven't got a 65's win yet! Steady driving to the finish is a well deserved victory - not luck!

As for the incident, I am looking forward to looking at that one!

Cheers Paul, but looking at my (rolling) start, the elimination of Uli and Tris, and Clive, who looked very strong early on, plus Ronnie losing time on Lap 1, meant I had a relatively easy race without pressure.

So I got lucky where others were unlucky. But again, a win is a win, and I take it

[BadBlood]

Course it is only 'pending' at the mo. I am taking a look at the weekend. I have set aside an hour or two... 

[Turkey Machine]

My only public comment about that incident is that Robert and Cookie are lucky lucky **** to get through that and still finish!

[Cookie]

My only public comment about that incident is that Robert and Cookie are lucky lucky **** to get through that and still finish!

Yeah!

[Ronniepeterson]

 

"Cookie contends that Ronnie should not cut in on L1 T1 but Cookie should know that by putting himself down the inside in the way he did he risks a collision. He comes form a long way back and makes one pass stick but two is too much!"

To put this another way, the moderator is allowed to risk all on the first turn of the first lap and the non moderator is not allowed to take the racing line even when ahead!!!!!!

I raised concerns over whether the moderating team was playing fair or not and this one incident alone gives me grave concern regarding the impartiality of the moderating team. I did absolutely nothing wrong and was robbed of a genuine chance of a win here.

I take this as a green light to risk all on the first lap in future and do not expect to be penalised. 

[Rainier]

"Cookie contends that Ronnie should not cut in on L1 T1 but Cookie should know that by putting himself down the inside in the way he did he risks a collision. He comes form a long way back and makes one pass stick but two is too much!"

To put this another way, the moderator is allowed to risk all on the first turn of the first lap and the non moderator is not allowed to take the racing line even when ahead!!!!!!

I raised concerns over whether the moderating team was playing fair or not and this one incident alone gives me grave concern regarding the impartiality of the moderating team. I did absolutely nothing wrong and was robbed of a genuine chance of a win here.

I take this as a green light to risk all on the first lap in future and do not expect to be penalised. 

Ronnie

I don't know what happened to you, but it seems, since the start of season26, that you want to protest against every moderation; And every times, you put some doubt about the impartiality of the moderating team.

I don't think it is a good attitude and UKGPL may definitively stop when you have disgusted the full moderation team. Maybe, is it what you want 

Moreover, is it really so important for your life to debate about a race which occured 4 months ago ?

For your information, I will moderate Amateurs 65 serie during season27... I am sure you will not be in this serie and, from a very egoistic point of view, I am happy with that ! 

[Cookie]

A nearly same incident happened today at Hockenheim L1T1, Magnussen - Massa  

Look at the comments...


I didn't even touch you

[BadBlood]

I think we all know that touching isn't necessary for a crash to happen but the whole point of the penalty system is to improve driving standards.

Cookie, in my opinion, got this wrong but it was marginal as if he had been 2 feet further back the incident would not have happened. In terms of the penalty applied I could have been harsher but I considered that on T1 if you are on the outside, it is only prudent to take a wide(ish) line. Ronnie could have been more co-operative and then shut the door at T2. Cookie could (and should) have been more careful but having committed to the pass on the preceding driver had to make that stick.

I make the moderations without considering who is there. The severity of the punishment (which seems to be the point of contention) is at my discretion and I did not believe that giving Cookie a full penalty was justified.

Was Cookie culpable? - IMHO yes. Was Ronnie at fault? IMHO no. Should Ronnie have taken a different line considering it was L1 T1 IMHO yes.

Had it been the other way round, the penalty would have been the same and I looked at the points table AFTER I made the moderation.

You may disagree with my summary or how harsh I have been but please do not imply that I favour the Moderation team over other drivers. I do not.

[Ronniepeterson]

Dave the moderation has only just been published so I could not comment on the forum until now.

However I have most certainly let my concerns be known regarding the impartiality, in my opinion, of the moderations at times in a calm and collected fashion via the personal message channel previously.

I cannot agree that it is acceptable behaviour to attempt a multiple pass on L1 T1 by sending your car down the inside in the hope that others will simply get out of your way and give you the racing line. If I or anyone else did this I would expect the full weight of the law to come down on them.

I repeat I'm not looking for Axl or anyone else to be penalised its one of the reasons I don't use the incident report system as it stands. BUT when myself and others are penalised for offences that are identical or possibly not even our fault (I have moved on, but an example is the F2 race Kyalami/you tell me ambitious overtake or victim of a bad rejoin?) while others appear to routinely get away lightly for identical incidents, then I consider that a less than level playing field for all.

Some people stay quiet and others voice their opinion from time to time. I fall into the latter category. I never said I was right I just offered my opinion.

To conclude I have nothing more to add other than I take on board everything you have all said here, in PM's and elsewhere; including the criticism of my racing and attitude. For my part, none of this affects how I race with any of you and I don't see why it should affect you either. The moderation process occurs post race. If you think its perfect then great. We have a fresh season about to start and some fresh faces on the moderation team. Good luck to all of you with your racing and moderating. But please, don't expect me to roll over on or off track just because you don't like what I have to say. Good luck to all again.

PS I nearly forgot, in my opinion Axl, I agree, I think the stewards got it right - Massa/Magnussen - racing incident.

[uli]

Although a little late, but better late than never 
Many thanks for your difficult job to all stewards/admins.
And a big SRY to you and all sufferers again!
Luckily I was not the steward. When I did this job in the EOLC some years ago, I was much more strict on it.
I did it this way because online the risk is not as high as in the real motorsports – it don‘t hurts and you do not lose no money – but we lose fun and thats why I did online racing …
(I have not enough money  - that's the truth …)
I regret still much what happend, shit happend, that‘s racing and to handle this belongs to this – but most important is to look forward, to our new season with fair, exciting races - like we have last season for example in Monza, Spa, …
So good luck and much fun to you all, let forget the anger.
By the way I will defend my title in the ferrari again, because I change my cars only one time a year.
So a new contract with another team will only follow in 2015 and I promise it will not be lotus ...