UKGTL - Season 0-C (GTC-TC-76) - Round 2, Imola - Feb 22

[Simon Gymer]

UKGTL - Season 0-C (GTC-TC-76) - Round 2 at Imola

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Date: Wednesday 22nd February

Practice 1: 8:30pm (15 mins)
Qual 2: 8:45pm (25 mins)
Race: 9:10pm (35 mins - 16 laps)

Cars allowed: Any GTC-TC-76 Class car.
Track: Imola
Time of Day Setting: 15:00
Start Procedure: Pace lap led by pole sitter. See this section of the rules on rolling starts. Average speed may need to be reduced from GTR to GTL, but we'll play that by ear.

Server: SimRacing.co.uk (UKGTL)
Password: usual practice password

See UKGTL Season 0 Announcement post for extra information on Season 0.

Race incidents should be reported by PM to Locutos as indicated in this thread...
https://www.simracing.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1101.0

[PaulW]

All of season 0-C is started with a pace lap- ought we to try a couple of races with standing starts? A sizeable number of people wanting to compete prefer them!

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

All of season 0-C is started with a pace lap- ought we to try a couple of races with standing starts? A sizeable number of people wanting to compete prefer them!

We couldn't manage clean standing starts in the TC-65 cars - what makes you think the '76 cars will manage them without carnage at T1?

[Paul968]

To be fair Dave, the cynical ones here might say that we couldn't manage pace laps either.

[PaulW]

You guys are (justifiably so far) in favour of rolling starts and, actually, I'm not betting we could!
But to me it feels too early to have just given up on them whilst we still have test races to go. The majority of people here have a huge amount of experience of rolling starts so really they ought to work much much better anyway. A few races with standing starts now would let us get a better look at them, heck, most 76 races with standing starts would be more informative still.

[Jeffrey]

Why not test it once. Without testing it will always be guessing. I had multiple clean races in a public server with 20 drivers in the TC76 class. It's not the starting procedure that causes T1 mayhem, it's the drivers. In a starting manouvre you can't brake as late as when you are alone, people need to realise that. Same as that races are not won in the first corner, only lost.
Heading for T1 you should brake earlier than normal, and when you see the one infront brakes later than you, you can brake towards him. This way you will slowly approach him without causing a chaos.
Lot of people also forget that a Corvette can't brake as late as a Porsche, and they try to outbrake them.
So basically it's the lack of skill that will cause accidents, or the bad mentality.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

Why not test it once. Without testing it will always be guessing. I had multiple clean races in a public server with 20 drivers in the TC76 class. It's not the starting procedure that causes T1 mayhem, it's the drivers.

That's the "guns don't kill people" argument. From a standing start you end up with cars four abreast into T1 and the result is always going to be a mess - particularly in unfamiliar cars with a wide variety of performance. Rolling starts reduce the risk tremendously by spreading the field out before it gets to that critical first corner.

One test race isn't going to change that - if we go standing starts for 76 S0 it'll be for the full season. Frankly I think you're all barking mad if you want to try and race on that first lap with cold tyres and cold brakes, but since I don't intend racing the 76 cars personally I'm going to put it up for a quick vote.

[LEUVEN]

I'm surprised that this is even being discussed, although it is good to let "the people" decide, I was under the impression that you guys running the UKGT leagues have a great chunk of experience and If you think rolling starts are the best/safest way forward then that would be enough for me......... end of matter AFAIC 

I wouldn't want to practice for 20/30 mins Quallify for 20/30 mins then get taken out on the first turn by someone trying to win the race in the first turn. Even tho standing starts can work, That as only ever happened to me when it has been standing starts.

[locutos ukgtr]

Is this going to be Imola full or short track?

[Aagramn]

It will be the full track, don't think there is a short version of it in GTL.

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

It will be the full track, don't think there is a short version of it in GTL.

There isn't a short version of Imola in real life either.

[Jeffrey]

The short version is going straight in the first chicane and using the inside tires

[[ZiP]Tyf]

Lol Ruskus!

Maybe Locutus was confuzzling the different versions that are available in GTR, with and without chicane .

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[Mark J]

At last a 'proper' race circuit !....and i cannot make it this eve  :'(  gutted, how annoying.

Would have loved a 76 race here

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

I very much doubt I'll be home in time for tonight's race, but can the polesitter keep the speed down a bit compared to what we'd use in GTR please. Say a target speed of 50-55mph (80-90kph). Let's see if that works better than the first race's 86-ish mph at Anderstorp.