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September 02, 2014, 10:36:34 PM +0100 - Monaco (1929-71) - UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Professionals Trophy (65)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
uli
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 1 1:27.937
79.981mph
1 49:43.291
77.800mph
33 1:29.392
78.680mph
Dunlop  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T77 (Climax) F1 1965 2 +0.256
79.749mph
2 +0.402
77.789mph
33 1:29.066
78.968mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 3 +0.461
79.564mph
3 +1.617
77.758mph
33 1:28.598
79.385mph
Goodyear  
s2173
 Team7
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 7 +1.106
78.988mph
4 +8.693
77.574mph
33 1:29.232
78.821mph
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 9 +1.488
78.651mph
5 +19.563
77.293mph
33 1:29.567
78.526mph
Dunlop  
AndyL
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 10 +2.105
78.112mph
6 +24.774
77.159mph
33 1:29.706
78.404mph
Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 6 +1.098
78.995mph
7 (+1) +38.880
76.799mph
33 1:28.986
79.039mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +1.336
78.785mph
8 +41.835
76.724mph
33 1:29.691
78.417mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 15 +3.580
76.853mph
9 (+1) +1:20.289
75.761mph
33 1:30.502
77.715mph
Dunlop  
MagicArsouille
 
Ferrari 512 F1 1965 5 +0.599
79.440mph
10 +2L
72.832mph
31 1:29.317
78.746mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 11 +2.226
78.007mph
11 +6L
77.086mph
27 1:29.422
78.653mph
accident
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 13 +2.655
77.637mph
12 +16L
74.597mph
17 1:31.161
77.153mph
Disco
Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 14 +2.728
77.575mph
13 +1:19.256
71.082mph
17 1:32.640
75.921mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Turkey Machine
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 12 +2.482
77.786mph
14 +30L
68.821mph
3 1:35.638
73.541mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 4 +0.462
79.563mph
15 +31L
72.805mph
2 1:31.881
76.548mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Clutch4
 Mountside Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 17 16 +46.827
58.602mph
2 1:36.100
73.188mph
accident
Goodyear  
UKGPL 8
 
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 16 17 DNS ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Apologies to the last four cars who were accidently given grid spots about half a lap down.
Also well done clearing the red zone on a notoriously difficult track.


Server replay time: 0h28m00s

At Monaco there are no easy passing places unless someone makes a mistake. Arf is a little untidy on the downhill straight but is entitled to take the line through Mirabeau & there wasn't sufficient room for Dean to make a clean pass on the inside.


Server replay time: 0h43m10s

Tim closes up too quickly going into Gazometres & runs into Doni.

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« on: August 27, 2014, 11:14:43 PM +0100 »

Season 27 Professionals Trophy - Round 3 – Monaco

Welcome back from holidays. The Pro’s are off to Monaco known for the high life, casinos & possibly the most iconic race track in the world. A very challenging tight twisty circuit, few opportunities for passing but plenty of chances to hit the scenery. You’ve heard this before but please take care on lap 1.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left. 

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = TBA
Race date = Tuesday 02-09-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus original – but lots of updates available.
Race length = 33 laps
Variant = 1965
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above
Replay will be here

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page
The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this race, the red zone will be until the exit of Mirabeau.
 Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2014, 09:42:22 PM +0100 »

This place is second on my "i hate this track" list, first on that is the Nurburgring. This is like the Nurburgring but less than 2 miles and I still cannot get the hang of it in any car in any mod in any league....
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2014, 09:50:56 PM +0100 »

Drove a PR in quali, but already had a lapse out of the tunnel and rammed it in the hay bales. It was a miracle I could continue, and everybody avoiding me, but also a few wrecked a turn later. Banged wheels with Ronnie who left me little room  Wink Car was obviously damaged and the engine went few laps later.

Race looked interesting early on, shame by my mistake...
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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2014, 10:17:30 PM +0100 »

Mods, bit of a problem; Myself, Dean and, I think, nHance all started the race on the hill down to the chicane!!! I know there's been talk of spacing on grids recently, but half a lap is a bit much.....not entirely sure why I/we didn't start as soon as we saw where we were.

The race ruined before it started, I managed to get a jump on those behind me by starting when I saw the other cars moving in Prib.

However, I seemed to lose concentration for a while, and only woke up when I saw Dean in my mirrors. I then saw I was lapping in the 132s when I had started going much faster just at the end of praccy - prib was showing I could do 12950 if I hooked up all my sectors. I immediately went 1.3 secs/lap faster and Dean and I had a good race for 10/12 laps. We seemed to have different strengths and there were sectors where I shot off, and other where he just reeled me in like a little fishy. It all ended in tears at Mirabeau. I'm afraid that I saw it as an impatient lunge Dean. You didn't get any overlap until almost at the Apex, and you were never going to stop. I lost a wheel in the barriers and you continued....
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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2014, 10:22:54 PM +0100 »

Trying desperately to drive for a finish but disco with 15 to go but by that time I had been lapped by everyone except Arf & Dean who set off at the start from between tunnel & harbour chicane along with me & Clutch. I followed the one in front ( ARF )  but don't know what prompted him to start anyway. Not my favourite track & I was poor so one to forget. Please don't anyone suggest a re run because of the start Roll Eyes

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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2014, 10:44:42 PM +0100 »

Mods, bit of a problem; Myself, Dean and, I think, nHance all started the race on the hill down to the chicane!!! I know there's been talk of spacing on grids recently, but half a lap is a bit much.....not entirely sure why I/we didn't start as soon as we saw where we were.

The race ruined before it started,...

Yes, shame on me  I Am Not Worthy I had forgotten to remove the track65.ini, when I copied the folder from my old HDD.
Mea culpa!  ban

It was 900m behind by a faulty edit...
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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2014, 11:01:23 PM +0100 »

Mods, bit of a problem; Myself, Dean and, I think, nHance all started the race on the hill down to the chicane!!! I know there's been talk of spacing on grids recently, but half a lap is a bit much.....not entirely sure why I/we didn't start as soon as we saw where we were.

You were that far behind I wondered if there'd been a shunt! I saw the barrier on the entry to the Rascasse corner, and had to guess when people were moving as could not see the flag!
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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2014, 11:05:24 PM +0100 »

What a race!  Shocked

Couldn't beat Uli in Q.. had four tenths left on the table, but couldn't hook it all up. In the practice we had last week, I felt good about front-running, but didn't know how it would go following cars. Got a good start and pulled alongside Uli, on the outside into T1. Almost skipped a gear, which dropped me back to a gap for 2nd, with fast starting Evil and Tristan soon to be on my tail.

End of lap 2 - I get a good exit from the last corner, pulling alongside Uli into T1. Now, I've got the pace in 65s, but passing with them is another thing entirely. I was too cautious, and spun inside; I think it would have been tight there anyway. But this let Clive and Tris through. So, off on their tail I set.. for most of the race, it was nose-to-tail, like Vettel-Button-Alonso in 2011. After saving some fuel early on (which in the end was pointless), eventually I got a run on Tris into T1 near mid-distance.

Looking at the replay now, he gave me the corner once I had my nose on the inside - but again, I was too cautious, clipping the inside kerb, which sent me into his path and a big pile-up. We could continue, but this damaged my car for about 1 second per lap in top line speed.... regardless, I still set a 29.1 near the end, when chasing down Uli, like Button in 2011! Before this, Clive had spun out of Portier, and I then did the same at Gazometres, then clipping him by accident as I tried to spin the rear end back around ASAP.

Tris was unlucky to run out of fuel, which I thought Uli might be saving too, but he actually had some upshift problems. Clive's fast lap must surely have been set near the end, when he pushed me to get to raw PB pace, while carrying damage, just to keep him behind...

What to say.... the race couldn't have been any closer! (Well, it could have for the unlucky four starting at the chicane! Grin Talk about unlucky! 900m behind instead of 90m? A draconian way to punish those more than +2.5 secs off pole Tongue Likely to be revoked with a poll... or is it..  laugh)
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2014, 11:34:29 PM +0100 »

...Mods, bit of a problem; Myself, Dean and, I think, nHance all started the race on the hill down to the chicane!!!...The race ruined before it started...

If this had been any other track, there'd be a protest lodged against the entire result.

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Watch the replay, and see how patient I had been for the 10 previous laps (until we were past that 50% thing). The only times you gapped me were when I had to almost stop to avoid you (and then catch back up).

I knew that pass wasn't going to work almost as soon as I started it. Tried to hug the inside to minimize the collision that was inevitable once you turned in on me (even though it was quite clear, if you'd have happened to glance in your mirrors, that I was making a move on the inside). As for you being unable to continue, I'm not happy about it, but the GPL gods smiled in my direction for once.

And Tris: I know you're not used to being a mobile chicane, but when you are, STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF CARS STILL ON THE LEAD LAP. There was no chance for me to even slow down, coming over the rise at full chat and seeing you blocking the chicane. I have no idea how we both survived that.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2014, 12:09:24 PM +0100 »

After downloading and viewing the server replay cap, I noted the grid FUBAR mentioned above.

I'm calling for a re-run of this race with the justification being it completely sullies the result.  Chime in, fellas, if you agree.
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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 04:40:07 PM +0100 »

I know there's been talk of spacing on grids recently, but half a lap is a bit much . Nice one ARF made me smile Smiley. Good job you thought to look at Prib 'cos I didn't. I was sat there thinking are we half a lap behind OR half a lap in front. Just think on that - WOW then there really would have been calls for a re run Grin. Still the next track looks different - on we go.

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2014, 05:28:01 PM +0100 »

After downloading and viewing the server replay cap, I noted the grid FUBAR mentioned above.
I'm calling for a re-run of this race with the justification being it completely sullies the result.  Chime in, fellas, if you agree.

I'm a huge fan of the extra spacing on the grid. But, although due to an honest error, it does seem that people were severely disadvantaged. A re-run does seem appropriate.

However if the result stands then once again grats to Uli, Iestyn and Clive; sounds like a great race up front.

Also, apologies to Robert if I squeezed you. I did not sense any contact myself but have not seen a replay yet. I thought had a good run on you down the inside and held the tightest line I could. Regardless sorry.

See you all next time. But which track folder name please for Pacific Raceways?
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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2014, 06:59:28 PM +0100 »

But which track folder name please for Pacific Raceways?

"paci67" this is Ginetto's revised version and makes the old pacirace obsolete.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2014, 07:28:49 PM +0100 »

A thought on the very extraordinary grid position of those below 12th - GPL does detect movement before the flag but is based on grid positioning, not how far round you are. So if you'd gone when the green flag had not dropped a black flag (DQ) would have been given by GPL.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2014, 08:09:39 PM +0100 »

...GPL does detect movement before the flag...

There's about half a wheel turn (3 feet-ish) allowance, so if you jump forward a tiny bit then stop you're OK (I did this yesterday).

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Can be cleared by stopping exactly in your pit stall (and that's worth practicing offline). I think you have two laps to serve the penalty after seeing the "STOP" message on your pitboard (don't quote me Tongue ). The up-to-30-seconds it makes you wait will scupper any chance of a decent result in this league, but the few points you do manage may be valuable at the end of the season.
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