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  • S27His Moulinsart: August 12, 2014
August 12, 2014, 09:38:02 PM +0100 - Moulinsart - UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Historic Trophy (66)
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 1 2:33.338
108.901mph
1 49:38.951
106.506mph
19 2:34.371
108.173mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 7 +5.788
104.940mph
2 +1:34.205
103.241mph
19 2:39.549
104.662mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 8 +6.430
104.519mph
3 +1:48.648
102.758mph
19 2:39.577
104.644mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 9 +6.907
104.207mph
4 +2:14.142
101.917mph
19 2:41.182
103.602mph
Firestone  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 11 +11.861
101.083mph
5 +2L
92.560mph
17 2:43.620
102.058mph
Disco
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 5 +3.815
106.258mph
6 +6L
102.907mph
13 2:37.377
106.107mph
Disco
Goodyear  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M2B (Ford) F1 1966 13 +17.474
97.761mph
7 +9L
96.612mph
10 2:48.001
99.397mph
accident
Firestone  
Walter Conn
 WSL Racing Team
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 12 +16.026
98.597mph
8 +12L
96.587mph
7 2:47.054
99.960mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 6 +5.337
105.239mph
9 +15L
103.039mph
4 2:39.757
104.526mph
Disco
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 10 +8.878
102.941mph
10 +17L
95.753mph
2 2:48.595
99.046mph
accident
Firestone  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 2 +0.519
108.534mph
11 +18L
92.889mph
1 2:58.930
93.325mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 3 +3.214
106.666mph
12 +7.900
88.979mph
1 3:06.151
89.705mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT19 (Repco) F1 1966 4 +3.575
106.420mph
13 +19L
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Disco
Goodyear  
2 UKGPL_T7
 
Eagle T1F (Climax) F1 1966 14 14 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Only one incident of note in the Red Zone


Server replay time: 0h00m57s

Cookie makes a decent start but is very cautious into T1 and brakes very early. This catches out Arf^3 who rear end him.

I have sympathy for both drivers but the onus is on the following driver.

In this case both drivers could continue but neither managed more than a lap and I think there is little to be gained by penalising heavily.

I think both probably know what they could and should have done.

Cookie should have maintained his line if he wanted to be very cautious and Colin should have been aware of the fact that Cookie might brake early for Lap 1.

I not that the pole sitter was doing 103mph on the inside of Cookie who was doing 88mph at the same point!


Server replay time: 0h23m44s

This was in qualifying. Doni is following Bernie and is slower than would be normal. Dean is unaware of this and closes quickly out of the corner. Doni fails to see Dean in his mirrors and Dean is forced wide 'to avoid a collision' - he doesn't.

Dean could have backed off and Doni could have left more room if he had been a little more aware.

I am not going to penalise either driver but I would ask drivers to exhibit a little more gentlemanly behaviour - a 'Sorry' never hurts. A PM could have sorted this out but drivers are reminded that qualifying can be moderated and all drivers should be extra careful in qualifying to not compromise other drivers if at all possible.

With drivers of all standards on the grid, this incident is not unlikely. This did not meet the highest standards of gentlemanly behaviour. Play nice!

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
2:33.338
108.893mph
MagicArsouille
Qualifying
Brabham BT19 (Repco)August 12, 2014, 09:38:02 PM +0100
S27His
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1966
2:34.371
108.164mph
MagicArsouille
Race
Brabham BT19 (Repco)August 12, 2014, 09:38:02 PM +0100
S27His
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2014, 05:15:32 PM +0100 »

I have the feeling there is a bug in GPL that does intensify the tow of a slipstream under braking,
so if you are following a car close into a braking zone the car still accelerates when you brake!
I had several incidents of this kind myself...

First, the tow effect in most mods is just way too much, IMO. It should be like in the original 67's. Tommie tried to explain, but I'm not convinced, in contrary.

Also when behind someone with a tow, your topspeed will be higher, so you have to adjust your braking point to the car in front, as well to the tow/more topspeed. It's true it's harder to brake behind someone close in most mods. Like you get suckered in, it can catch you out, but I don't think it's a bug, but a side-effect of the exaggerated tow. More topspeed, still tow under braking, it willl need earlier/harder braking...we need to anticipate on these situations and knowledge...

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« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2014, 11:16:25 PM +0100 »

...First, the tow effect in most mods is just way too much, IMO...

My only experience with drafting at 100+ mph speeds is on a motorcycle (on racetracks, not public roads!!), but based on that I feel the draft in the mods is actually less than what would would be there in real life (race bikes punch much smaller holes in the air than even the tires alone on an open-wheeled car). Even on shorter straights than we have on a lot of GPL tracks, and at lower speeds than in GPL (~130ish max vs. 160-200), gaining 10-15 mph on the guy ahead was pretty easy (_if_ your bike was geared appropriately), as was overshooting your "normal" brake marker due to it!  Shocked

That being said, I think the original makers severely nerfed the draft in interest of playability. Realistic draft would see people unaccustomed to its effects ramming other drivers and not understanding what caused it. A little bit of a tow would be expected (and easily handled) by people whose experience is in cars at highway speed.

I like the increased draft in the mods, as it opens more passing opportunities. But, like all powerful tools, it needs to be handled with caution.
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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2014, 11:59:50 PM +0100 »

Living in Germany I have lots of experience with slipstream, on the Autobahn, we still have ~50% unlimited topspeed there!
My business car had a top speed of 230 kph but in slipstream it made over 250 kph.

But in GPL the force of tow seems not to decrease when cars go slower,
maybe we will have to ask Lee Bowden who knows all about the physics Wink
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2014, 01:33:21 AM +0100 »

edit: nevermind, need to do some more research before posting nonsense. The only thing that still bothers me is the length of the tow. It should be arguably longer active in 67 and less in the mods, as the speeds are higher/slower.

Sorry guys  Tongue
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« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2014, 12:18:58 PM +0100 »

Come on Rob , the F1 mods are very fun ! and I hope to see you racing in again.....don't give up ! ...we need good drivers anywhere Wink

Clear race for me on this funny but tricky track built by the professor Tournesol  and tested and approuved by Tintin and his coatch Milou ( Focus the Apex )

CUA in Carthage  Cool
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« Reply #35 on: August 18, 2014, 04:01:10 PM +0100 »

Come on Rob , the F1 mods are very fun ! and I hope to see you racing in again.....don't give up ! ...we need good drivers anywhere Wink

Clear race for me on this funny but tricky track built by the professor Tournesol  and tested and approuved by Tintin and his coatch Milou ( Focus the Apex )

CUA in Carthage  Cool

Thank you Tristan, I won't give up that easily Wink

It was a very fun track at Kuifje's track (we call Tintin Kuifje). I checked out the castle and such to try to find stuff the track builders did hide...
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2014, 09:54:10 PM +0100 »

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