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October 12, 2014, 10:35:34 PM +0100 - Salzburgring - UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Works Trophy (67)
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 2 +0.243
127.117mph
1 49:13.379
125.100mph
39 1:14.700
126.821mph
Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 9 +1.700
124.680mph
2 +39.608
123.445mph
39 1:15.881
124.847mph
Firestone  
GregT
 
Honda RA300 F1 1967 6 +1.513
124.987mph
3 +48.921
123.062mph
39 1:15.911
124.798mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 10 +1.877
124.390mph
4 +49.429
123.041mph
39 1:15.751
125.062mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 11 +2.124
123.988mph
5 +1L
120.999mph
38 1:17.232
122.663mph
Firestone  
kinghiro
 Clark-Hill Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 13 +3.076
122.462mph
6 +9.222
120.626mph
38 1:17.216
122.689mph
Goodyear  
AndyL
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 15 +3.803
121.322mph
7 +2L
118.346mph
37 1:18.577
120.564mph
Firestone  
Turkey Machine
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 12 +2.768
122.951mph
8 +18L
121.633mph
21 1:16.420
123.967mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +1.540
124.943mph
9 +22L
121.110mph
17 1:16.424
123.960mph
Disco
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +1.619
124.813mph
10 +25L
121.486mph
14 1:16.352
124.077mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 1:14.283
127.533mph
12 +34L
121.059mph
5 1:15.860
124.882mph
Disco
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 14 +3.585
121.661mph
13 +15.261
116.514mph
5 1:17.792
121.780mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 5 +1.484
125.035mph
14 +39L
---
0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
MagicArsouille
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 3 +0.541
126.611mph
15 DNS ---
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Goodyear  
UKGPL 8
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 16 16 ---
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Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 4 +1.289
125.358mph
Excluded +30L
121.501mph
9 1:16.496
123.844mph
Disco
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY
Iestyn Davies drove a very steady race to win his first Works race of the season. Tommie van Ostade made up a lot of places to take second place with the final podium finish going to Gregory Taber. The race was marked by a lot of crashes, the vast majority being at the Östschleife and a couple at Semperit Kurve. Clearly this track is a lot trickier than it looks.


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Schikane - 0h01m03s Practice remaining.
Ronnie Peterson cuts the corner at the Schikane on his way to setting the pole time.

There is no suggestion that Ronnie deliberately tried to cut the corner. The replay showed that he made a significant left turn of the wheel and the longitudinal acceleration data produced by GPL Replay Analyser does support the assertion that Ronnie made a serious attempt at making the Schikane. Having realised quite early on that he was going to run wide, Ronnie accelerates hard through the sand trap and so he doesn't loose any momentum or more significantly, time. Unintentional or not, the outcome is the same, the pole time was set by an illegal lap (see the rules on Rail Riding and Corner Cutting on the UKGPL web site). GPL does check for corner cutting but this facility is normally disabled for on-line racing because it can lead to false alarms caused by internet lag. Consequently any illegal qualifying laps will be counted by GPL when racing on-line. Trying to let drivers past at the start is not a good idea, it has been tried before. For drivers with a long enough memory the Monaco round of Division 1 in Season 14 had to be rerun because of a well intended but illadvised attempt to hand back an undeserved pole position.

Any driver who thinks they may have inadvertently gained an advantage by cutting a corner in qualifying should make a conscious effort to abort the lap. If they don't manage to do that then they may voluntarily elect to start from the pit lane. What they should not do is to try to give the place back by taking it easy at the start, this will invariably lead to confusion and more likely than not, crashes.

Ronnie did the right thing by starting the race at his normal pace but it would have been preferable if he had aborted his qualifying lap after he had bounced his way through the sand trap.


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Lap 1 - Turn 3 - Gregory Taber and Robert Fleurke.
Gregory gets a good exit out of Semperit Kurve and is in a position to challenge Robert on the inside at turn 3. Gregory has achieved 50% overlap before the drivers turn-in (0h01m22s) but Robert hasn't seen him and he takes the normal racing line. Contact is made and Robert is punted off into the armco barrier ending his race. After a wobble, Gregory can continue but he has lost momentum and he loses ground to Axel and comes under pressure from Bob Whitwell.

Robert has no idea where Gregory is and consequently he doesn't leave him any room.

Greg makes a legitimate attempt at an overtake achieving over 50% overlap at turn-in but not the 100% to claim the corner outright. The wobble Greg experiences is probably down to the fact that he has two wheels on the grass as he tries to squeeze through the narrow gap left by Robert. This suggests Greg is not affected by the contact which appears to be limited to Robert's client implying there was some warp involved.

This has to go down as a racing incident (Contested Overtake - Scenario 1) but the incident could have been avoided if Robert had realised where Gregory was and left him a little more room. To be fair to Robert he was being attacked on both sides and the red Cooper of Bob Whitwell was clearly visible in his off-side mirrors which was probably the focus of Robert's attention. Even if Robert had left enough room there is no guarantee that warp would not have intervened anyway.

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« on: October 06, 2014, 02:26:36 PM +0100 »

Season 27 Works Trophy - Round 5 - Salzburgring

After Monza we visit another fast track, the Salzburgring in Austria.

The race track was first opened in 1968. Lying in a narrow, alpine valley, it has a rather simple layout, with two long straights plus the sweeping and fast "Fahrerlagerkurve" ("paddock turn") at the bottom of the course, and the narrow "Nockstein-Kehre" at the top. In spite of its simple layout, it garnered a fearsome reputation for the high speeds reached on the straights and the "Fahrerlagerkurve". Aussie 500cc two-wheeler great Wayne Gardner won here in 1987 on his way to Australia's first modern motorcycle racing World Title. This track is fearsomely fast, should be fun!

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Race date = Sunday 12-10-2014
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time (21:30 GMT)
Qualifying Time = Between 30 and 60 minutes, starting no later than 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Salzburgring76 or use GPL Trackbase
Variant = 67F1
Damage Model = Pro
Race length = 39 Laps (50 minutes)
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Moderating The red zone will be fully moderated from the start to the exit of Semperit Kurve on Lap 1. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.  This will allow all affected drivers the opportunity to present their case before the incident is moderated.  This should ensure there are no surprises when the moderator's report is published and hence appeals will be less likely.  If you haven't received a PM about an incident before the link below the results table is removed, you can be sure that you will not appear in the moderator's report.

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 02:27:58 PM +0100 »

YIKES!  Only just realized that this is the chicaned version.  As Salz74 is known to be a bit of disco heaven, let's hope that the version we're running later today is less problematic.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2014, 02:36:08 PM +0100 »

YIKES!  Only just realized that this is the chicaned version.  As Salz74 is known to be a bit of disco heaven, let's hope that the version we're running later today is less problematic.


There's a practice server available (most of) today if you want to try it out. From my experience, no mass disconnections. Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2014, 09:53:38 PM +0100 »

I've got a stinking cold so plucked for the Beast from Bourne as I didn't expect to finish...
It would have been nice to manage more than 6/7 laps though before the lurgy initiated crash occured, as I was having a blast battling with Tom for about 10th  Sad

Hopefully I'll be feeling less like I died on Tuesday  death
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2014, 09:58:27 PM +0100 »

Wow. Hoped this race could salvage my weekend but it was the icing on the cake...

After start I made a mistake and shifted into 1st gear into the hairpin, and had a bad exit because of it as well. Defended against Bob and knew Greg was left behind. Then approaching the fast left kink I didn't know Greg was alongside, just had watched the left hand view and he wasn't there and Bob was behind me, so I just wanted to take my line and suddenly Greg was already there on the inside...

My own mistake, hope you didn't suffer from it Greg and following cars...

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2014, 10:56:23 PM +0100 »

I've got a stinking cold so plucked for the Beast from Bourne as I didn't expect to finish...
It would have been nice to manage more than 6/7 laps though before the lurgy initiated crash occured, as I was having a blast battling with Tom for about 10th  Sad

Hopefully I'll be feeling less like I died on Tuesday  death
Yeah that was sad . I wasn t very fast in the Brab and we seemed roughly even.
Later I had a slighly boring race trying to follow hmmm Geber was it?. seemed he had a damage but I still couldn t catch. I rolled in to a 6 th due to all the misfortunates
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2014, 11:34:30 PM +0100 »

LOL, I am excluded as I have taken a car I had not enough tokens for...
By this 50% rule I have never made any points and therefore no tokens are shown Roll Eyes

Shame I saw Tris disappearing on the grid Shocked
Had a pretty good pace but after some laps my LF got such hot that I had to give in...

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2014, 03:55:34 AM +0100 »

I dodged a bullet named Axel! Dean came even closer! That's a shame Axel. You were running a good race.

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2014, 03:59:24 AM +0100 »

Congratulations Iestyn and Tom! That was very good drive by both you. Iestyn was most consistent and set fast lap on the final lap! Very impressive! You can't ask for any better.

My commiseration with Rob. I'm not proud of what I did to you. It was a bit cruel. I didn't really want to try to pass you. I had to go wide through Semperit to avoid your car. That opened me up for Bob. As slow as we were into Semperit, gave me the thought that you might struggle more with the BRM than I will with the Honda early in the race. If an early opportunity arose I should take it. That played a little part with my zeal into the next turn. I wanted to back off a bit before we collided but Bob was all over us. I didn't really know where to go. I tried to stay as far inside as I could, hoping you knew I was there and  would run a little wider line through the turn and then the drag race down the back straight would better sort things. I never felt anything in my steering wheel but I suspected I hit you. It didn't hurt my car at all Rob. I hated doing that to you. Sad

That was a tough race. I struggled with qualifying. Traffic almost kept me out of the 15's. I think I can get the Honda down to 15.5. Andreas' Lotus had me scared at one point so I ended up ruining a great qualifying run.

I knew it was going to be tough with the only car in front of me being Rob's BRM that I thought I might keep pace with. The four cars that qualified behind me looked to be a real challenge. Bob was about even with me. Tom and Dean, I knew would likely get faster in the race. Donnie's Brabham wasn't going to be easy either.

Other than punting Rob, spinning once at the chicane, and getting a lousy exit out the last turn on the final lap, I drove a good race. I was able to hold off Bob and then I held off Tom for a few laps. Dean put a lot of pressure on me the last 12 laps too.

On lap 27 I started thinking if I can run 1:16 flat for the rest of the race, the 5 second lead I have on Dean will be just enough. Then I spin losing 3.5 seconds. I was pushing the car more than I wanted to hold that 5 second gap and then it was gone. I wasn't going to roll over easy. Unfortunately with Dean on my tail after a few more laps, I started losing a few tenths from tiny mistakes which made it even worse. I knew the Honda would be tough to pass on the straights by anything but a Lotus or Eagle. I held off Dean miraculously for 9.9 laps. It took everything I had. My hands were soaked with sweat! With my slow exit in the penultimate turn, it looked like Dean had 3rd place. I wasn't sure and knew it was going to be close until suddenly things get much quieter. I wasn't sure if Dean discoed or lost an engine. I knew I'd get you someday for Enna. GPL smiled upon me. It wasn't going to let you get me after such a good drive in a Honda! lol

You guys did an excellent job that got stuck behind me through the Fahrerlager and the chicane. I know it had to be tough following such a slow car through there. It looks like I needed to improve my line into the chicane but I think I was taking the only line the Honda was willing to follow.

It was great to get such a good result! It helps make up for the rotten luck and stupid mistakes I've been making this season.

Thanks guys. I appreciate the fun.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2014, 03:21:01 PM +0100 »

Congrats Iestyn, well done Tommie and great job in the Honda Greg!

Thanks Greg, but it's just simple, I messed up, you did nothing wrong. Should have been aware and should have left enough room...

Loosened up the car because I was afraid of getting too tight in the race (LF) and always would struggle to keep you guys behind me, especially first few laps...making that mistake downshifting into 1st instead of 2nd didn't help...

I think Andy suffered from it damaging his car avoiding me when I bounced back on the track...sry m8 Wink
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2014, 05:08:25 PM +0100 »

No problem, Robert. I was obviously just looking for a finish here - mission accomplished.
Grats to Iestyn and well done all finishers.
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2014, 06:04:52 PM +0100 »

Hi guys Smiley
........I come late on the grid and I see my mistake....only 13 liters fuel !!!!!! Huh    ... waf.....?. Angry !! I come back qhick in the garage, hoping for the green button......but no green button .........a blue mistake !!...  sorry for the fight guys .....

....just one question , I take the braby but I don't do the race ....am I keeping those 10 tokens ..... Grin
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2014, 06:23:25 PM +0100 »

....just one question , I take the braby but I don't do the race ....am I keeping those 10 tokens ..... Grin

You did not cross the start line, so you have still 0 tokens...  Roll Eyes

Same for me, but now I know Grin
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2014, 06:47:24 PM +0100 »

Well, in the end, Lotus was a bit of an overkill here, but I had Ray to think about, and when I fluffed getting a low 14 in Q, he nabbed pole position. Tongue

However, once he was out of the race, I just had to bring it home - a few times the gear slipped out, which gave me a fright Shocked. I went a little faster at the end, to 'do a Vettel' and secure fastest lap. But, all race, it felt like I was a lone 2014 Mercedes.  Sad

If I had prepared, then I should've taken Ferrari - thus I'll have to take it at Road Atlanta, Bremgarten or Parco Sempione instead. Or if I miss events, not at all, who knows Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2014, 08:47:16 PM +0100 »

After start I made a mistake and shifted into 1st gear into the hairpin, and had a bad exit because of it as well. Defended against Bob and knew Greg was left behind. Then approaching the fast left kink I didn't know Greg was alongside, just had watched the left hand view and he wasn't there and Bob was behind me, so I just wanted to take my line and suddenly Greg was already there on the inside...

My own mistake, hope you didn't suffer from it Greg and following cars...



From the intimate view I had it looked like warp...but even without that, contact was likely

Took the cooper for this one, woefully outgunned on the straights and in hindsight I probably should have stuck with the BRM I used in praccy.  Still, the handling was pretty nice, esp through the final few corners.  Congrats on the qually time in the BRM Rob, I know you're fast but you deserve a medal for that!

I made a pretty good start but was wary of getting too close to those in front for the first few corners, however after Rob's issue that was precisely how things developed, I was pretty sure something bad was going to happen and was relieved not to have caused it, tough luck Rob.  After that I chased Greg for a few laps, bit of cat 'n' mouse, he got away on the straights while I seemed to catch in the corners.  I had to be careful not to hit you in the final chicane, but there was no way I could attempt to pass and was always outgunned down the following straight.  Didn't matter though as after a few laps I went off at the hairpin and plummeted doon the order.  I rejoined with Tim & Tom, who let me go and (quite) a few laps later I caught Jethro's BRM, however I lost concentration and shifted doon too early in the right hander prior to the final chicane, spinning the car into the barrier.  GPL seemed to over egg the crash and I launched over the barrier coming to rest upside doon...game over.  Gutted not to have seen the flag, even more so to have been so close to half distance, but at least I only have myself to blame.

Cheers, Bob.

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