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October 26, 2014, 08:38:09 PM +0000 - Spa (GPL) - UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Privateers Trophy (67)
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 1 3:19.896
157.816mph
1 51:12.728
154.000mph
15 3:23.090
155.334mph
Goodyear  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 3 +2.264
156.048mph
2 +20.102
152.999mph
15 3:22.582
155.723mph
Firestone  
cg7aa
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 4 +2.665
155.739mph
3 +1:06.690
150.729mph
15 3:23.203
155.247mph
Goodyear  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 10 +9.274
150.818mph
4 +1:10.637
150.539mph
15 3:25.760
153.318mph
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +5.178
153.831mph
5 +1:17.169
150.227mph
15 3:26.233
152.966mph
Goodyear  
Michael Turner
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 7 +4.633
154.241mph
6 +2:21.562
147.218mph
15 3:25.193
153.742mph
Goodyear  
Billy Nobrakes
 Black Night Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 2 +0.703
157.262mph
7 +6L
152.514mph
9 3:24.503
154.260mph
Disco
Goodyear  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +3.474
155.120mph
8 +11L
145.371mph
4 3:25.651
153.399mph
Disco
Firestone  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 5 +3.336
155.225mph
9 +18.907
142.272mph
4 3:33.408
147.823mph
Disco
Firestone  
il_lupo_mannaro
 Black Night Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 9 +5.546
153.555mph
10 +13L
134.603mph
2 3:43.768
140.979mph
Disco
Goodyear  
9 UKGPL
 
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 11 11 DNS ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY

Dave Rainier -starting from Pole- wins the race from start to finish, keeping his Championship hopes alive. Congratulations! Bernie Darwin finishes second setting the fastest lap of the race in his last lap. George Cheeseman finishes third coming from the rear, profiting from a last lap off by Championship leader Phil Thornton, who finished 4th. Francesco Molteni ran a solid race to 5th, and Michael Turner rounded out the top 6. Great job by all of these lead lap finishers. Billy was heading for the podium but had a lapse in Stavelot on Lap 10 and had to retire later that lap, but still is classified as 7th for points. Dave Curtis suffered from another technical gremlin and Paul and Fabio had also races to forget. Commiserations.

There was an incident after the start that has been reported by the moderator, and later on Lap 1 in Blanchimont the big one happened. Apart from these unfortunate events the race was rather clean.


Server replay time: 0h00m55s

Paul Whitfield and George Cheeseman come together in Eau Rouge after the start. George has to check up for Bernie with Dave Curtis passing him on the left, and never sees Paul in his mirrors. Paul has had a glimpse of George and relies on the fact George will notice him and give room. It is a legitimate overtaking attempt, Paul has enough overlap before the turn in to the right. George is unaware of Paul and turns in and both cars spin, and continue the race. Paul felt he was the victim but didn't ask for a penalty.

If George had been aware of Paul this incident could have been prevented, but he had other cars around him to deal with and Paul never appeared in his mirrors. As George said: just one of those GPL things.


Server replay time: 0h03m56s

The contact between Phil and Fabio was reported, but decided to moderate all that happened before as well.

Initially Dave Curtis spins out of the first left Blanchimont kink and goes up the sidewall. Unrelated, Michael Turner spins into the first left kink of Blanchimont. Francesco runs into Dave Curtis who sits on the outside racing line. Fran does see him too late and cannot slow enough or avoid Dave C. No yellow flags have been waved yet. Fabio Locarno sees Michael spin and tries to slow but runs wide due to that and puts his right rear tire on the grass. He is spinning to the inside of the track where Phil Thornton sees an opening and tries to clear the wrecks. Fabio clips Phil and both spin. Paul Whitfield does a great job and can avoid everyone with some luck. George Cheeseman almost clears the wrecks but a the spinning BT24 Fabio clips George's BRM. Paul might have gotten just a glimpse of the yellow flag waved (at 03m53s), and George must have seen the waved flag.

We must try to avoid to spin on Lap 1 when the field is still bunched up, and slow for wrecks ahead and waved yellow flags. But as the events took place after a fast blind corner, and the yellow flag was waved very late (most missed it), it all has to go down as racing incidents.


Server replay time: 0h04m59s

As a result of the carnage above, George has a damaged car, and spins into La Source. It looks like he wants to do a Shift-R but cars close by prevent him to do that. George then goes into the pits together with Fabio (who has to do a stop & go for reset), does a stop, and resets in the pits, and continues.

Technically this is Failing to take Stop & Go after Shift-R. But as George already lost time waiting for cars and did stop in the pits, the moderators have decided a Caution for Incorrect Pit Stop would be sufficient on this occasion.

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« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2014, 01:15:10 PM +0000 »

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it seems, we run 2 or 3 seconds less a lap with 60FPS (on a track like SPA) .i
What mean this? use you the 60fps during the race?I'm not updated on this.
Anyway seem me that you and others ,like Bernie and Nobrakes,have done an improvement this year.
The last season we was, more or less, in battle now you are more faster than me.
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2014, 02:00:50 PM +0000 »

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it seems, we run 2 or 3 seconds less a lap with 60FPS (on a track like SPA) .i
What mean this? use you the 60fps during the race?I'm not updated on this.
Anyway seem me that you and others ,like Bernie and Nobrakes,have done an improvement this year.
The last season we was, more or less, in battle now you are more faster than me.
Fran,
All UKGPL races are at 36 fps. I don't think the server will allow drivers to enter using 60 fps.
If you look at the starting grid the top three cars were Eagle / Eagle / Lotus. I think it was more to do with the chassis than drivers ability. If we all use the same car I'd expect that David, Phil & George would be the quickest, but not by so much that other drivers can't challenge them.
David - I will test the Eagle at 60fps & let you know if it makes any difference. Are you suggesting it makes more difference at high speed circuits like Spa? To get a good lap time there are several corners where you have to carry lots of speed & the car will drift on the exit. Perhaps this makes a tiny difference at 60 fps where the GPL physic engine measures the grip the car is able to achieve?
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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2014, 02:02:21 PM +0000 »

No it's not possible to connect with 60FPS if the server is 36FPS and vice versa.
There is a blocking message "you are not allowed to ....bla bla ..."

We are not cheating Wink

Bernie, Billy and me were faster because we drove Eagle or Lotus.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 03:02:23 PM +0000 »


I noticed something strange but maybe you already are aware : I did my best to take the pole in a correct but not exceptional at all 3min19sec90 but on Sunday morning I did some practices on EOLC server (on VROC).
This EOLC server was using 60FPS and I easily did my all times best in SPA : 3min17sec70 after only 3 training laps.

It seems, we run 2 or 3 seconds less a lap with 60FPS (on a track like SPA) .
Did anyone else already noticed that ?  


Yes, this is due to the better visibility and smoothness of the game! The lap isn't shorter but you do better!
I allways do my offline preparation in 60fps mode as it is also better for the eyes  Wink

Last night I left the Monaco race due to some severe eyestrain...

I have decided to do only 60fps races in 2015. Lots of leagues do it allready and my eyes are not getting better with 65...

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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 03:35:57 PM +0000 »

Interesting point of view, Axel.

I also read in F1legends forum, setups are not always running in the same way with 36 or 60FPS. It's essentially about gearbox ... Huh

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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 03:56:12 PM +0000 »

No! I never had such an experience!

The setups are fully compatible, but the cars react faster with this nearly double feedback.
All in all you just have a better feeling of the car and can steer more precise.

For close racing there are smaller crashbox spikes too.
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 04:58:06 PM +0000 »

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Bernie, Billy and me were faster because we drove Eagle or Lotus.
Not inly for this Grin,there is also an improvement.
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 05:41:10 PM +0000 »

Can't speak for the others Francesco but my Spa PB in the Lotus from a few years back was in the low 3.18's , I couldn't get anywhere near that time today .

The Lotus is so easy to drive here , any one of you could be on the podium using it , that's why I spent the points , Iv'e lost count of time since I had last stood on a GPL podium , when they used to come fairly often some years back ,  so feel chuffed in a small way, it wasn't an easy race for me as I had a bad cramp attack in my gas foot and my shifter started to play up during the last laps , I survived a couple of spins , luckily no one was close enough to take advantage,  probably down to the lap 1 incedent ?  .

I had made a poor start and with cold tyres it seemed an age to get them up to race temps , I could then slowly start to catch Billy , then he made a mistake and I went through , I could keep the gap to David about the same for a while ( aroundd 9 secs ) , but couldn't do anything to catch the flying eagle so decided to settle for P2 , thats when i started cruising and begin to lose concentration , 15 laps was way to much for me , no way could I have made a race with anyone had they caught me and was very relieved to see the chequered waving .

Grats to David  on a fine win  and teamy Mike for a strong finish . well done all those who got through to the end ! 
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2014, 09:26:50 PM +0000 »

Yes the Lotus is the best,i have seen in my test .The Honda the worst.
Anyway i must use the Brab. becouse i have few token.
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2014, 10:31:44 PM +0000 »

A good choice for the Brabham , championships have been won using just this car !

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« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2014, 01:10:05 AM +0000 »

Took a quick look through the replay, have reported the Lap 1 Red Zone incident between George and Paul for them to give their views.

Noticed the carnage on the same lap in Blanchimont, when both Dave Curtis and Michael Turner spun. Will leave it up to the drivers to report this one, however as far I have seen the aftermath was a chain reaction and most unavoidable. Unfortunate though for all involved.
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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2014, 07:50:23 AM +0000 »

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Noticed the carnage on the same lap in Blanchimont, when both Dave Curtis and Michael Turner spun. Will leave it up to the drivers to report this one, however as far I have seen the aftermath was a chain reaction and most unavoidable. Unfortunate though for all involved.
I was involved . I found a Ferrari,after the curve,askew,but for me is impossible to report this.Both my replay and the replay of UKGPL,give an error on my PC.
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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2014, 11:16:54 PM +0000 »

Took a quick look through the replay, have reported the Lap 1 Red Zone incident between George and Paul for them to give their views.

Thanks Rob. Done my bit. Over to George.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2014, 01:28:01 PM +0000 »

Took a quick look through the replay, have reported the Lap 1 Red Zone incident between George and Paul for them to give their views.

Thanks Rob. Done my bit. Over to George.


I had an email about an incident but when I followed the link it took me to an incident report from Feb this year at the Nurburgring, maybe I missed something.
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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2014, 03:08:54 PM +0000 »

I had an email about an incident but when I followed the link it took me to an incident report from Feb this year at the Nurburgring, maybe I missed something.

That's weird. I will send you a PM George.
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