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  • S27F2 Tulln: November 16, 2014
November 16, 2014, 09:32:20 PM +0000 - Tulln - UKGPL Season 27 (2014) Formula Two Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 3 +0.335
96.657mph
1 40:53.385
94.000mph
36 1:06.550
96.259mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Cooper T84 GPL F2 5 +0.988
95.714mph
2 +10.470
93.600mph
36 1:06.543
96.269mph
Dunlop  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 10 +1.627
94.809mph
3 +18.941
93.280mph
36 1:07.230
95.286mph
Dunlop  
GregT
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 2 +0.271
96.751mph
4 (+2) +27.082
92.974mph
36 1:06.017
97.036mph
Goodyear  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M4A GPL F2 6 +1.124
95.520mph
5 +39.504
92.510mph
36 1:07.104
95.464mph
Goodyear  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M4A GPL F2 13 +3.233
92.608mph
6 +1:06.041
91.536mph
36 1:06.620
96.158mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 9 +1.334
95.222mph
7 +1L
91.029mph
35 1:07.210
95.314mph
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 4 +0.837
95.931mph
8 +2.165
90.949mph
35 1:06.722
96.011mph
Dunlop  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Brabham BT14 GPL F2 12 +2.840
93.137mph
9 +13.064
90.549mph
35 1:08.398
93.658mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT23 GPL F2 8 +1.329
95.229mph
10 +2L
88.105mph
34 1:06.819
95.872mph
Goodyear  
roguk
 Clark-Hill Racing
Matra MS7 GPL F2 14 +4.116
91.441mph
11 +9.724
87.760mph
34 1:09.841
91.723mph
Dunlop  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 15 +4.200
91.331mph
12 +3L
84.858mph
33 1:10.865
90.398mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
McLaren M4A GPL F2 17 +6.062
88.969mph
13 +7.272
84.611mph
33 1:09.601
92.040mph
Goodyear  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M4A GPL F2 1 1:05.941
97.148mph
14 +17L
93.246mph
19 1:07.173
95.366mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Matra MS7 GPL F2 11 +2.217
93.988mph
15 +21L
81.246mph
15 1:07.836
94.434mph
accident
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Lola T100 (FVA) GPL F2 16 +4.474
90.976mph
16 +28L
84.039mph
8 1:10.760
90.532mph
unknown
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Protos 16 (FVA) GPL F2 7 +1.288
95.287mph
17 +35L
81.986mph
1 1:16.922
83.280mph
Disco
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lola T100 (BMW) GPL F2 18 +11.911
82.285mph
18 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
9 UKGPL
 
Matra MS7 GPL F2 19 19 ---
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Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

From the many comments on the forum after this race it would seem that we basically had 2 versions of the same track in use, and each version offers different advantages and problems. I think that IF Tullin is run again at sometime we may have to insist that all drivers use the same option and penalise anyone seen driving through solid objects , like we do with the pit wall at Kyalami.
Having watched some of the replays and incidents, I can see how many of the problems arose. If the car you are following drives straight through a haybale and yet you cannot, frustration and confusion levels are bound to be raised. It also affects the braking point for the car in front if he has to be sure to go around the haybale that you can drive straight through!!!!
In hindsight I am surprised that there were not a load more major incidents!!!


Server replay time: 0h00m08s

Greg gets it all wrong under braking and despite some attempt at avoiding Arf, he simply wipes him into the bales.

Blatant Rear End Shunt: Penalty 2 Places


Server replay time: 0h03m15s

Arf is a sitting duck as Doni arrives at the scene and makes inevitable contact. Arf recovers and tries to get under way around the inside of the corner, regrettably Doni also has intentions of rejoining the race as quickly as possible and sends his car on the most direct line through the same apex.
Whilst Doni should maybe have been aware that Arf might be there he does not see him until a second contact is made.

I am calling this a Racing Incident as neither driver did anything horrendously wrong. Arf was stranded and Doni simply had nowhere to go in the initial contact and the contact as they recovered was very unfortunate.

  • Racing incident

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:05.941
97.148mph
Piero Mercaldo
Qualifying
McLaren M4ANovember 16, 2014, 09:32:20 PM +0000
S27F2
Grand Prix Legends
GPL F2
1:06.017
97.036mph
GregT
Race
Brabham BT23November 16, 2014, 09:32:20 PM +0000
S27F2
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« on: November 12, 2014, 06:00:35 PM +0000 »

Welcome to the S27 F2 Championship - Round 8 - Tulln Langenlebarn

Round 7 of the Formula 2 Trophy, we go to Austria. The military Airport Langenlebarn/Tulln (German: Militärflugplatz Langenlebarn/Tulln) was located 4 kilometres (2 mi) east-southeast of Tulln, Lower Austria. In 1967 the F2 race of the European Championship was won by Jochen Rindt, 2nd Jack Brabham. Jim Clark was also on the grid. Beware of the bumpy straights...

There will be no handicaps this season but, much like the 67-based series, tokens will be used!

Matra MS7 FVA :       16 tokens
Matra MS5 FVA :       14 tokens
Brabham BT23 FVA : 14 tokens
Lola T100 FVA :        14 tokens
Lotus 48 FVA :         14 tokens
Lotus 41B FVA:        12 tokens
McLaren M4A FVA :   12 tokens
Protos 16 FVA :        10 tokens
Lola T100 BMW :      10 tokens
Cooper T84 FVA :      6 tokens
Ferrari 166 :              3 tokens
Brabham BT14 LF :    0 tokens

Please check the Season 27 pages for details regarding rules and the Formula 2 Trophy pages in particular.

There will be two championships - Lights and Heavies (for slower drivers) who will contest separate championships but sometimes on the same grid.

You have ONE SHIFT-R with a Stop n Go of 0 seconds!
Only Reported incidents moderated outside the Red Zone
Full moderation of lap one Red Zone

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8 for the heavy brigade - IP address TBC
Server = UKGPL_9 for the light brigade - IP address 37.157.48.87
Variant = 1967 Formula 2
Damage Model = Intermediate
Track =  Tulln
Race length = ~40min -> 36 laps
Race date = Sunday 16-11-2014
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Qualifying time = 45 - 30 minutes
Race time = ~21:30 UK time
Red Zone = full first lap.
Replays = you get here

Please restrict chat to only urgent messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave a full (19 driver) server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please ensure you have enough tokens in your bank to be able to take the desired chassis!

Good luck all!
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2014, 03:58:10 PM +0000 »

This track is nuts on the main straight, so bumpy in any gear. I predict a high rate of attrition...
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2014, 04:25:04 PM +0000 »

I'm just glad to click off another rank track.... shame they didn't have Osterreichring yet built! That and Nurbs would really spice up the F2 rank a bit, IMO. But I can drive Nurbs in this mod  laugh

EDIT: But clearly I can't drive an extremely bumpy Tulln  Shocked Now that I remember reading about this track, really, it should have been re-released, as the layout was altered, not to mention bumps added and bales being mere images for some.. Kyalami pit barrier is a moot point now!
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2014, 04:35:11 PM +0000 »

Loving the hay bales made from re cycled house bricks  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2014, 10:05:36 PM +0000 »

Well that was just generally silly.....I saw so many bumps and mistakes. Anyone who make it through this one deserves a medal.

Two people who in my book should not be queuing up for medals are Greg and Doni. At the end of Lap 2 Greg made a crazy lunge/outbraked himself and took me out. Doni was about 4 cars behind and probably couldn't do anything about hitting me. The first time. As we both moved away he made a bee line for the apex, from the outside of the track - I feel he had to know I was there and as such did not leave me any rooom, contacted with me, and I got spun and hit and spun and hit again.

I played on for a few laps, but I was clearly not in the mood after that, made too many errors and ended up a lap behind. Just gave up after a while....

bah humbug...

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2014, 10:20:18 PM +0000 »

Sorry, Arf...  Don't know what you're talking about as I had so many incidents in this crazy, wild event.  I'll check the replay and see if I can find this.  If I've savaged you, my profound apologies.  Only after the race did it become known to me that there may be an updated '.trk' file for this circuit that alters some aspects.  I saw people driving thru the outer string of haybales exiting the last corner with not the slightest impediment.  There may be other conflicts.  This may account to some degree for our clash, Arf.  Will investigate...

Grats to Dave on the win!  Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2014, 10:55:31 PM +0000 »

Just looked at the Lap02 business, Arf.  Can't say that you have anything to gripe about concerning me.  I was rather busy recovering after cuffing your tail and didn't see that you were on my left.  I had no idea that you were there.

Someone who does have cause to complain is Rog.  Sorry for the Lap07 butt-ram going into the hairpin, bud.  Clearly got that wrong.  I'm off to see the headmaster.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2014, 11:11:29 PM +0000 »

I have no idea how I got to P3 after a messy quali with P10 on the grid, then getting involved in both lap 1 shunts √°nd spinning on the pit straight! But can't complain Cheesy .

Grats Dave for a fine win and Dean for P2! Also grats all finishers, this was a tough one.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2014, 01:22:00 AM +0000 »

I just pulled down and installed the track from the link posted by Cookie in the lead.  Not the same animal that I drove at all.  All manner of changes that I wasn't aware of including the considerable number and severity of bumps on the main straight and the altered final corner haybale arrangement.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2014, 10:44:12 AM +0000 »

Not watched any replays yet , though I did note there was some comments about backmarkers being a problem in post race chat . for the record , I d/l the light version of the track , gave it a spin to check all was OK ,  then I  added the track updates , I then found the bumpiness of the updated version so bad it hurt my eyes when going down the straights , so went back the "light" version which I found much more pleasant to drive .

 It wasn't until race time when cars began lapping ,me that I noticed several times they were disappearing through the haybales , so definately some anomalies exist between the two track layouts , weather this was the reason for the poor backmarker performance mentioned or not , who knows ? but thought it worth a mention .

Thought the track was a bit dull as most of these flat airfield circuits tend to be by nature , but being short it did make for some exciting racing , (not that I did much  ) . Absolutely tons of space here , so don't quite understand why backmarkers were a problem .

As usual these days , I was way off the pace , can't get into some of these mods , maybe there just a bit to fast for an old timer like me  Roll Eyes

Grats to the podium and all who survived to the finish . 
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2014, 11:39:32 AM +0000 »

I also saw several racers going through the haybales.
That was not the case for me, and also not the case for Dean.
So final result is better in this way.

With the updated version, I think we can go faster for 0,5 sec in this part of the track. I don't know if there are other changes between the 2 versions.

Yes, I had several troubles to overtake some backmarkers when they were not giving space at the braking point and stayed at the apex of the turn. That was the case with you, Bernie, and I spun 2 times trying to overtake you.
I was following Dean when it happened but then I loose contact.
It seems Dean also had troubles with backmarkers ...and maybe an accident forced him to do a SnG.
But he did a great performance with the Cooper.

I made several training with different cars, Cooper was too slow for me, Protos quick but unpredictable ...McLaren was just perfect !     
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2014, 12:13:53 PM +0000 »

Had bad start missed gears, lucky missed the mayhem at turn one, was shunted off several times early race, and noticed cars going through hay bales, lap 26 did a bad rejoin and took Iestyn out Sorry Iestyn, most of race tried to stay out of way of faster drivers kept to right hand side on straight and tight into turn one.

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2014, 02:34:14 PM +0000 »

Started with somenthing strange,my best lap was around 1,18 when in my test around 1,10 was possible for me.
Left the qualy and a check on GEM have revealed that the 60fps was again active.
Without i regain my time but despite this my car is always slower on the straight,there is something in my gas pedal (electrical signal)that i'm not able to fix.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2014, 03:03:06 PM +0000 »

I apologize Axel and Arf. I made mistakes. I didn't expect Axel to be so slow exiting T2. When I bumped you, I was still waiting to apply the throttle. Usually by that point I was back at full throttle. That was a bad misjudgement on my part. Sad Arf, I can understand you being angry with me. I missed my braking point. I wasn't trying to pass you. I knew I was going to run into the back of you so I went right hoping it would buy me more time to get the car slowed. There was no room to the left. You might ought to be glad I didn't stick you between two hay bales like I did Axel? There was no malice on my part, just errors.

I'm also a cheater? I used the old tulln.dat. I tried the updated dat after the race to see the differences. The old dat is a little faster. Mainly in sector 2 and 3. I can take a wider line at the end of the start-finish straight, carrying more speed through T1 and higher speed approaching T2. I could also carry more speed onto the pit straight and a higher speed at the end of the pit straight. The braking for T1 is easier with the old dat. The turn before the pit straight is easier with the old dat too. The new dat seems to be wider through the final hay bales thus giving you a straighter line onto the start-finish straight. The only advantage of the new dat. I never could get a good run on Piero on the straight because of that. If you're viewing the replay using the old dat, the drivers using the new dat will pass through the bales on the left in the final turn and they will bounce around a lot more on the straight. If you're viewing with the new dat, the drivers using the old dat will pass through the hay bales and cones on the left side at the end of the start-finish straight. I wonder if the differences in dats helped caused me so many problems when approaching cars before the final turn and the turn after the pits? I had trouble with both those turns almost if not every time I closed on a car before those two turns. There is an advantage using the old dat. It may not be much faster on PB's but it is definitely easier to be consistent.

I think the old dat is about .5 seconds faster. My PB with the old dat is 5.94 and after 3 qualifying runs with the new dat, I did 6.38. I was conservative in qualifying, thinking I might be cheating. 5.7 appeared to be possible just by running a good lap. I think I can actually break 5.5 on the old dat without a tow. I don't see myself getting much under 6 with the new dat. Before I had to reset, I had my ideal lap down to 5.11 and the car was just starting to really go fast. Late in the race with a good tow, I thought I might approach Tristan's Rank time.

Congratulations Dave, Dean, and Tommie! I thought Dean would surely win after I got stuck on a hay bale and had to reset and stop-and-go. The second half of the race I spun too many times on my own trying to push as hard as possible to try to catch the leaders. Good job guys, but you did got lucky I wasn't able to get in the lead and open a gap. The race would have been rather easy for me after that.

Overall, it was a rather embarrassing and poor drive on my part. I don't know if I've ever had so much trouble following other cars. I suspect the difference in dats played a small part if not more. I'm ashamed I ruined Axel and Arf's race. I guess I should have bumped Piero off entering the final turn on lap 1 instead of going into the hay bales. The incident that led to all the trouble I caused on lap 2. I likely would have cut the number of cars I hit in half and been more likely to win.

Thanks guys.
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2014, 04:15:59 PM +0000 »

Grats to Dave, Dean and Tom.

Not for one minute suggesting the result should not stand but I wonder if the moderation team will be scrutinising the incident packed start and corner cutting going on last night with the same zeal they have shown elsewhere  Roll Eyes

Tough one for everybody. Well done again to the podium boys and better luck next time everyone else. See you all at the next one.
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