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January 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000 - Kyalami (1968-87) - UKPnG Season 10 1960s GTs
Driver
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Clive Loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65026) P&G Group 3 O2L 3 +0.581
102.050mph
1 35:33.344
99.839mph
24 1:27.448
101.484mph
Goodyear  
johnw
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Shelby Cobra 427 (#6606) P&G Group 4 O2L 1 1:26.382
102.737mph
2 +0.096
99.834mph
24 1:27.295
101.662mph
{unknown}  
fzcfede
 Team7
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65013) P&G Group 3 O2L 2 +0.241
102.451mph
3 +10.879
99.332mph
24 1:27.987
100.863mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65009) P&G Group 3 O2L 4 +1.248
101.274mph
4 +15.426
99.122mph
24 1:27.899
100.964mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
AC Cobra 427 (#6509) {unknown} 9 +1.928
100.494mph
5 +28.565
98.520mph
24 1:28.731
100.017mph
Goodyear  
Hotkeys
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65059) P&G Group 3 O2L 10 +2.193
100.193mph
6 +32.987
98.319mph
24 1:27.967
100.886mph
Goodyear  
Geoffers
 Kerb Crawlers
AC Cobra 427 (#65091) {unknown} 7 +1.697
100.757mph
7 +52.551
97.439mph
24 1:28.708
100.043mph
Firestone  
simon loynes
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Porsche 911 RSR IROC (#7405) P&G Special 11 +2.430
99.926mph
8 +55.504
97.307mph
24 1:29.237
99.450mph
Dunlop  
phspok
 Team Pseudo Racing
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65059) P&G Group 3 O2L 9 +58.735
97.164mph
24 1:29.397
99.272mph
Goodyear  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65059) P&G Group 3 O2L 6 +1.326
101.184mph
10 +1:02.575
96.994mph
24 1:27.993
100.856mph
Goodyear  
Stefan aka Postal
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 RSR IROC (#7403) P&G Special 12 +4.244
97.926mph
11 +1:18.759
96.284mph
24 1:30.559
97.998mph
Goodyear  
seniordan
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65009) P&G Group 3 O2L 8 +1.827
100.609mph
12 +4L 20 1:29.153
99.544mph
unknown
Goodyear  
frex
 Kerb Crawlers
Lotus Elan 26R (#66121) P&G Group 3 U2L 13 +7L 17 1:30.813
97.724mph
suspension
Dunlop  
Legzy
 Team Oldie Racing
Shelby Daytona Coupe (#65056) P&G Group 3 O2L 5 +1.281
101.236mph
14 +11L 13 1:28.106
100.727mph
suspension
Goodyear  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR2
{unknown}
1:28.079
100.757mph
Geoffers
Qualifying
AC Cobra 427January 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
{unknown}
1:28.708
100.043mph
Geoffers
Race
AC Cobra 427January 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Group 3 U2L
1:30.813
97.724mph
frex
Race
Lotus Elan 26RJanuary 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
1:26.623
102.451mph
fzcfede
Qualifying
Shelby Daytona CoupeJanuary 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Group 3 O2L
1:27.448
101.484mph
Clive Loynes
Race
Shelby Daytona CoupeJanuary 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Group 4 O2L
1:26.382
102.737mph
johnw
Qualifying
Shelby Cobra 427January 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Group 4 O2L
1:27.295
101.662mph
johnw
Race
Shelby Cobra 427January 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Special
1:28.812
99.926mph
simon loynes
Qualifying
Porsche 911 RSR IROCJanuary 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
GTR2
P&G Special
1:29.237
99.450mph
simon loynes
Race
Porsche 911 RSR IROCJanuary 29, 2015, 08:42:53 PM +0000
P10GT60
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2015, 09:38:37 PM +0000 »

Congratulations to Clive and John and Evilclive Grin.

During the tests are not able to find the time Huh!

The qualifications were even worse in the end I reach down with the setup of a point change 1-26-7 Shocked, never done during the tests and save the setup.

Before the race load setup 80L and put soft tires and put the change in a point forward helped me in output curve Huh.
Beautiful discovery and even a ride on rettelineo I pass all Shocked.

I enjoyed seeing the struggle between Clive and John Grin.

Congratulations to Evilclive Cheesy, shame about the disconnected too long, I would never be able to pass you Undecided.

Thanks to all the next.

Hello Grin.
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2015, 09:56:45 PM +0000 »

Was enjoying that but the rear end was just getting looser & looser. Sad
Two spins in two laps, meant I lost two places (to 6th I think) & was swiftly followed by another rescued loss of the back-end... Roll Eyes

After my hardwork at the start, I couldn't take the depression of spinning off & spinning off till I was last Undecided

p.s. Evil, I think we were in the same car, but I couldn't work out why I was a fair bit faster in the corners but you just roared away on the straights (even when I had good toe Huh). Was losing me about 0.4 secs (while getting your drag) on the main straight alone :'(

Funny that you should mention that Legzy. I was asking myself the same question, especially when I was taking chunks out Federico later in the race.
I based my setup on one the Clive Loynes shared, but I tweaked the gears and reduced the toe in/ toe out, plus a few other minor adjustments until it felt right.

I did feel a little "out of place" running in 4th spot early in the race, but when I started catching Federico at half distance, and then actually passed him I got delusions of grandeur. I suspect that John and Clive Loynes had a little contact because suddenly Fedrerico and myself were in a 4 way battle for the lead. But I was put in my place when John delivered a smart smack on my A** and I dropped back to 4th again.
Eventually i got back to FZ and made another pass with my extra speed only to blow it all a few laps later by running wide.
But overall, quite a satisfying race and a good result for the Soggies.  Grats to Clive and John, and thanks to Federico for a great race.
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2015, 09:57:13 PM +0000 »

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What kept you!?   Grin

@Legzy: I think it will be in the gear ratio.  Mine was geared to rev its nuts off going down the hill, which was the only part of the lap where I got any breathing space from John.

I must thank John on two counts; firstly for taking the big Cobra and secondly for waiting for me after he had given me a very light tap.

I assumed that John wanted to race, since he had handicapped himself, so I'll find out later if I need to apologise for getting in his way all race.
The 427 seemed a tad quicker on the first part of that wonderful straight but the Daytona just walked away from him after the start/finish line.  As Graham Hill said, "I'm good at straights.".

After John and I had made contact, John fell back behind Federico and Evil.  But I knew he would be back.  Don't think that they had the special wide bodied version of the Daytona.  Grin

Then, on the penultimate lap, I made a mistake and John took the lead.  But he apparently wanted to gift the race to me and slowed as we approached the kink on the straight.  He had miss calculated and I was already hell bent on getting to T1 anyway, thanks to Daytona power.  I made an awful job of the last lap but nothing big enough to let John have another rethink.  Grin  Damn close call though +0:00.096 seconds!  Roll Eyes

Grats to John and Federico and wd all finishers.

And thanks to Matt for a great race format.
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2015, 10:14:49 PM +0000 »

Click HERE for Analyser Report
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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2015, 10:25:51 PM +0000 »

Cheeky beggar  Tongue
What kept me was cars that we haven't run before needing adding to the database
with the right tyres. You should do GTR2 on Sundays, Luke is even slower than me  Roll Eyes

Early days, so see how it goes, but I might need to do something to stop it becoming a Daytona spec series
hopefully other cars will be a better choice at some of the other tracks. angel
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2015, 10:28:44 PM +0000 »

Good race evening for the most part, a good turnout, great track and cool set of cars  Cool

Installed the track at 19.50!  Shocked then tried 3 cars to see what felt fun, settled on the Daytona.
Then surprised myself being 4th on the timesheet for most of qually only to get usurped by my nemesis Legzy right at the end  
Got swamped at race start as just got onto grid to admire the cars when the blinking lights changed straight away  Shocked had a few early dices then pulled a gap in 7th and chased Stig in 6th hard for half the race, very cool  Cool
Alas I then ran out of brakes at t1 and lost a place or two.  :'( but still had great pace until about the last 6 laps when my rear tyres started crying enough and where I then had two oversteer slow speed spins at the final uphill corner and dropped right down to a crap 10th place, poor reward for my general race pace  Sad .
Shame but at least it felt like a proper classic car race with the numbers present  thumbup1
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« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2015, 10:17:19 AM +0000 »

First of all, apologies to EvilClive. I'd like to blame the unwieldy Cobra for the punt, but the fact is that it was my own stupid fault by following too close and couldn't get it stopped in time. Should have been more patient. Likewise with Clive L, I was trying to go deep and get a cut-back in the last corner, but got too close to avoid the swinging Daytona arse. Sorry!

Apart from that it was lots of fun. Don't often get the chance to race with Clive properly as he usually has the greater good of the team in mind, but this time was different. I made my usual mediocre start and ended up behind Clive and Federico. Federico disn't look particularly comfortable in the Daytona and I got past after a little while, then sat on Clive's bumper for most of the race trying to figure out a way past. The Cobra was good under acceleration but ran out of puff on the straight. I'd tried longer gearing in practice but it was a few tenths slower overall and I figured I'd be needing all the laptime I could get against the Daytonas.

There were a couple of places that I could see that a safe pass would be possible, but both of them required Clive to make a small mistake and he wasn't playing ball. Started to get closer to try and prompt a mistake, but that wasn't working and I ended up tapping him round at the last corner. Waiting for him to recover meant EvilClive and Federico got past as well and I then committed the cardinal sin of hitting a team-mate for the second time that night...

Decided to roll the window down for a bit to let the red mist out and was then able to get back past EvilClive after he made small mistake in the second sector, and got the cut-back on Federico at the last corner. I think he must have been on longer gearing than Clive as I could get past and stay ahead into T1.

Set about chasing Clive down for the last few laps, which became harder and harder as the rubber disappeared. Finally made a pass on what I thought was the last lap, but then had an attack of guilt about the contact earlier and eased off approaching the line. It took a few seconds for me to realise there was still a lap to go and that I'd have to try and do it all again (not the first time, and probably won't be the last). Caught back up over the course of the lap and nearly managed it but Clive pipped me to the line.

All in all, good fun. Grats Clive thumbup1
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2015, 12:19:15 AM +0000 »

I thought it must be the gears, I wimped out on that 'rev the nuts down the hill' setting as I thought it would kill the engine half way Undecided but obviously not.
Evil I guess you could be tight with the Toe setting too. Out of interest, do you use manual clutch? As I believe that is also slightly faster.
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2015, 09:40:04 AM +0000 »

I do have the clutch pedal activated, but generally only use it to prevent stalling the engine in a spin. That says something about my expectations in a race!!! Roll Eyes I am practicing using the clutch off the grid, but still don't have that reliable enough to avoid a total crashfest if I risked it in a real race situation. With my current setup I get too much wheelspin and lose ground off the start in almost every race.

I don't use the paddles at all and I have my shifter set up for sequential gear change. I don't use the clutch, but years of conditioning in UKGPL to avoid over revving the engine make me lift off the gas at each change to keep that needle safely below max revs.
I am careful on upshifts and downshifts, the latter being the one that usually kills engines by downshifting too early.

So, despite using 99% of max revs available in the Daytona at the end of the Kyalami straight , I think I only lost about 3% engine health over the whole race. I have no idea if that is good or bad, but I feel safer knowing that the engine won't quit on me before the end of a race.....hopefully.
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2015, 01:18:16 PM +0000 »

Cheers Evil Smiley
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