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  • S28Pro Monaco: March 24, 2015
March 24, 2015, 10:36:51 PM +0000 - Monaco (1929-71) - UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Professionals Trophy (65)
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FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 1 1:27.989
79.971mph
1 49:14.075
78.605mph
33 1:28.350
79.644mph
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Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 4 +0.450
79.564mph
2 +4.644
78.482mph
33 1:27.663
80.268mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT7 (Climax) F1 1965 9 +2.371
77.873mph
3 +43.147
77.474mph
33 1:29.595
78.537mph
Dunlop  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 2 +0.242
79.752mph
4 +44.859
77.430mph
33 1:28.682
79.346mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P261 (1965) F1 1965 6 +1.903
78.278mph
5 (+1) +1:00.470
77.029mph
33 1:29.881
78.288mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 10 +2.832
77.477mph
6 +1:12.980
76.710mph
33 1:30.289
77.934mph
Dunlop  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 8 +2.188
78.031mph
7 +1:25.131
76.404mph
33 1:30.227
77.987mph
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 3 +0.351
79.653mph
8 +21L
77.852mph
12 1:28.942
79.114mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Arf Arf Arf
 Team Baarf
Brabham BT11 (Climax) F1 1965 5 +1.191
78.903mph
9 +22L
76.590mph
11 1:30.129
78.072mph
Disco
Goodyear  
NHance
 Mountside Racing
Honda RA272 F1 1965 11 +2.868
77.447mph
10 +25L
74.107mph
8 1:31.669
76.761mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 33 (Climax 1965) F1 1965 7 +2.047
78.153mph
11 +33L
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Moderator's Report

SUMMARY
A brilliant flag to flag drive from Tim, winning in the Honda ahead of a hard charging Iestyn. Clive grabbed the final podium place in the little BT7, a superb performance in such an underpowered car. Robert recovered from a Senna moment at Portier to climb back up to fourth place.


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Lap 1 - Saite Devote - Axel Cookie, Doni Yourth and Dean Logan
Axel makes a great start and gets along side Doni who is queued up behind Arf as the cars bunch up into Saite Devote. Axel has 100% overlap and keeps tight to the inside kerb. Doni takes the normal racing line and contact is made. Dean is caught up in the melee and is lucky to be able to continue after rolling over several times. Doni can carry on but Axel is out.

Dean did nothing wrong.

Axel did nothing wrong. He made a great move up the inside and kept close to the kerb.

Doni was careful not to rear end Arf but this made him vulnerable to an attack from Axel. Doni started on the left of the grid so he should have been aware of the possibility of a car moving up the inside and consequently he should have stayed left and given Axel room. Axel's car only appeared in Doni's in-car view after contact had been made but Axel disappeared from Doni's mirrors (replay time 0h00m54s) on the approach to Saite Devote. Doni should have noticed Axel's move but he was probably concentrating on the car in front. Given that Doni was distracted byArf, the extra place penalty for a red zone incident has been waived.


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Lap 1 - Portier - Robert Fleurke and Ronnie Peterson
Robert is very keen to keep up with Tim and is pushing hard. He goes slightly wide at the right-hander after Virage de la Gare and even wider at Portier where he clips the wall. In contrast Ronnie keeps a very clean tight line through both corners and gets the power down early enabling him to pull along-side Robert as they exit Portier. Robert's encounter with the wall bounces him back into the track towards Ronnie and their rear wheels make contact. Robert spins but Ronnie can continue.

Robert made a mistake but he cannot be blamed for the contact.

Ronnie did nothing wrong. Thankfully the contact did not cost him much time and he continued unimpeded.

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« on: March 18, 2015, 09:07:59 PM +0000 »

Season 28 Professionals Trophy - Round 2 – Monaco

To mark the 50th anniversary of the 1965 Formula 1 season we will run the 10 original championship races and for round 2 we visit Monaco. Circuit de Monaco is a street circuit laid out on the city streets of Monte Carlo and La Condamine around the harbour of the principality of Monaco. It is commonly referred to as "Monte Carlo" because it is largely inside the Monte Carlo neighbourhood of Monaco. A very challenging tight twisty circuit, few opportunities for passing but plenty of chances to hit the scenery. You’ve heard this before but please take care, especially on Lap 1!

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

This season, races are to be run at 60 frames per second – please use this patch 60fpsV2newmod.

Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = look in iGOR
Race date = Tuesday 24-03-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 33 laps
Variant = 1965
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above
Replay will be here

Driver lists can be found on the championship standings page.

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this race, the red zone will be from the start to the exit of Portier. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 07:19:56 PM +0000 »

Don't See myself Racing tonite, no Internet Connection
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2015, 12:33:11 PM +0000 »

My word!  What a superb drive from Tim!  Congrats, man!  You really had the package today.  Good car + determination + monster cahones.  Smiley

A good P2 for Iestyn but being a bit stingy on fuel cost him a chance for the victory.  Good drive notwithstanding.

And Evil!  Woohoo!  A splendid P3 finish and podium in the little BT7.  Great job.

I only practiced briefly pre-race and got the P261 into good enough shape for the race.  Not tops by any means...my PB's in other GP65 cars are substantially faster...but it was OK.

I shan't comment on the Lap01 fracau exiting Ste. Devote as the moderators will have to make a ruling on the cause but the effect was sad in that Axel was an instant DNF.

It was a big surprise to find Robert next to stopped coming off Portier on Lap01 and I slipped by for position but that set the stage for a very enjoyable race for the next two dozen laps.  Along the way, I came across Arf facing traffic exiting Portier and he would shortly retire with an off in Tabac.  Rocket Ronnie, too, game to grief with a couple of wall-bangers that saw a wheel running down the hill towards Mirabeau.  I came across this shortly thereafter and jigged to miss it.  Forgot completely that at that stage, it's just a image without collision properties.

Robert's recovery from his spin was rapid and soon, he was directly on my tailpipes.  For the next 24 laps, I held off his advances and it was really keen.  Recall the GP of Monaco some years back when David Coulthard was pinned behind a much slower Arrows car for the longest time.  Deja vu all over again.  Smiley  Ultimately, he feinted to the left and out of my mirrors on the exit of the chicane and I felt obliged to leave some room at Tabac.  I had a somewhat compromised pass through and exit from Tabac as a result of that and he gunned me down on the straight following with the run to Gas Works hairpin.  Hmmm...  Not the most kosher of tactics there, RF, in taking advantage of the lack of peripheral vision in GPL.  Still...  A pass is a pass is a pass, I guess.

Spent the remainder of the race just chasing Robert home as he zeroed in on Clive but time ran out.


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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2015, 01:00:59 PM +0000 »

Grats to the podium especially Clive in the BT7, great drive!

I had the car and race pace to trouble Tim from second position but not the concentration. One wrong gear change too many eventually led to a missing wheel and race over. Well done again Tim, pole position and a flag to flag finish, a deserved winner.
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2015, 04:58:36 PM +0000 »

Incredible frustrating race for me, Monaco is always tough on me having to run 10:1 instead of the normal 17:1 strg ratio with my 270degree wheel, to get around the tight turns...

Already went wide towards Portier with Ray on my inside on Lap 1, kind of gave half room, went wide on cold tires and hit the wall. Bounced back and Ray put me into a spin (which was my fault, nothing Ray could do). Glad everyone got by.

Then got stuck behind Doni, car was a bit bent up hitting barriers again and again, and my gearings seemed off as Doni was able to out accelerate me. Sorry for the tap into Loews, that was clearly my mistake, but glad you could save it and I lifted to be sure. I felt you tried everything to keep me behind, and I don't think it's fair to say my pass was not kosher. It was as clean a pass you can see at Monaco...especially seeing the replay from your cockpit...I did clearly nothing wrong there...

Great job tho Doni! Yes, felt like DC being behind Bernoldi Tongue

Grats Tim on a faultless drive, Iestyn for his fast lap, and Clive for his podium in the BT7, especially when I didn't deserve a podium with my drive Wink

Good job finishers and commiserations to the retirements, sad to see teamie Axel being out already after 1 turn, not sure what happened tho Sad

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2015, 05:30:00 PM +0000 »

Out dragged Dave Rainier off the line Smiley but he got through the turn one trouble better than me Sad so settled down chasing the field. Can't remember how I got to 9th out of 10 runners but I maintained it until I clipped the harbour chicane & buried it in the harbour wall straw bales. When it came out a wheel was missing & a small fire in the car followed. I briefly thought about leaving it to see if the whole harbour wall straw could be set on fire Grin. Only joking - GPL is realistic but not THAT realistic.

Obviously FMG's Honda is the latest full works spec job whereas mine behaves like the spare(in my hands anyway) Grin - 3 seconds faster in a 90 second lap - unbelievable. Anyway well done FMG & the podium & anyone who finished here where there is no room for the smallest lapse of concentration.

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2015, 08:36:14 PM +0000 »

Firstly thank you to everyone on the Congrats - although I must say they feel a little on the undeserved side as Iestyn was able to make clear in the race that he was the faster out of the two of us. I mearly had the wider car and the advantage of being in front  Wink

While i'm still shocked at recording pole I was over the moon at my qualifying time - over half a second up on my old PB from 5 years ago despite the time off over the last year or two. I'm seriously wondering if I should put my current improvements in pace (Ignoring East London as I was much slower there  Roll Eyes ) on the new diff for my track car - it's basically the same type used by the cars in GPL and has forced me to learn properly how to drive with it  Smiley

Onto the race Rob very nearly got me at the start - we seemed to react at about the same moment but his BRM hooked up much better and made up some time on me on the run to the 1st turn, where I promptly ran slightly wide in my attempts at out braking him  Embarrassed
I originally thought some of my odd lines were responsible for Robs' accident - and have to admit releaf after watching the replay to see it wasn't me!
After his visit to the harbour wall and the spin from Ray I found myself with an ever increasing gap as Ray tried to hold off Iestyn in his flying BRM.
At one point I was up to a 7 second lead according to the pit boards and then promptly span exiting Tabac (Lap 5 for anyone wanting a laugh). After that I was working hard to maintain the now 3 second gap backwards as Iesty let off the pressure a bit to allow Ray to put some decent laps in.
This all lasted until somewhere around lap 10/15 as i remember it when suddenly Iestyn appeared in 2nd on prib and started taking chunks out of my lead. By half distance he was on my gearbox and annoying me  Grin
I made a number of small mistakes during this but somehow kept it together - Helped by Iestyn dropping back for 5 laps or so to try and soften me up before a last dash as we approached the 30 lap point.
Eventually i was saved by the penny pincher's at BRM who refused to put more than 50 Francs of 5 Star into Iestyns' car leaving my clear on the last lap - obviously I was unaware of this new event unfurling behind me so pressed on hard to keep the new gap as large as possible - nearly crashing in Casino square as a direct result  Lips Sealed

After what felt like the entire evening I crossed the line, still at the front of the pack with Iesty just behind - well done, you deserved a win more than me in my opinion after that drive! Cool

Equal congratulations to Clive peddling the BT7 into 3rd and to all the other finishers. Commiserations to the victims  Smiley

As a bonus I also discovered that I have a pair of world records (different mods and circuits) from when i updated my times on GPLRank, annoyingly 1 of them has been mine to claim for about 4 years now but I didn't know  oops So as I still have the replay of that session I've sent that one in. i swear the other was a race here (F2 at Hockenheim) but can't for the life of me find any evidence of it occurring in the race history or even my replay collection  Huh
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2015, 05:17:20 PM +0100 »

Already went wide towards Portier with Ray on my inside on Lap 1, kind of gave half room, went wide on cold tires and hit the wall. Bounced back and Ray put me into a spin (which was my fault, nothing Ray could do). Glad everyone got by.

After his visit to the harbour wall and the spin from Ray

This occurred in the red zone and I hope the moderators look at this just to clarify that I DID NOT SPIN ANYONE. Robert goes wide by himself, bounces back off the wall into my path and spins away due to contact with me not the other way round as seems to be suggested above.

Next thing you know, someone will be saying I blatantly spun him  laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2015, 09:03:00 PM +0100 »

Not implying you did it Ray - As you say he went wide on his own - you just happened to be the one who caught the bounce Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2015, 07:17:54 PM +0100 »

Ray, it's just a matter how you define it. We both touched and it put me in a spin. It was clearly my own fault tho, my mistake. There was nothing you did wrong.

Is this definition more satisfactory?
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2015, 09:55:36 AM +0100 »

It does not matter what I think its what the moderators think. My concern is that when two illustrious drivers like yourself and Tim, who I enjoy racing with when I get the chance immensely, allude to the fact that I spun someone, the moderators show no hesitation in apportioning the blame to me.

As to whether I think I had any part top play in your spin, which I don't, let me answer you like this. Check out lap 3 at Monsanto in the Historics the other night when my race was ended by a totally out of control Iestyn. Or do you think I spun him? I notice Iestyn has said absolutely nothing about this race on the forums all week despite an excellent comeback to finish in second place. I wonder if he is worried that I might submit an incident report? Obviously I won't be as I don't. This was just an unfortunate tangle that happens sometimes in my opinion and I would be giving the moderation team yet another excuse to find fault where there is none.

On a lighter note, nice to see Iestyn turning in yet another FL. Absolutely nothing to do with his sub 0.1sec upshift/downshift times  laugh laugh laugh

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2015, 06:13:16 PM +0100 »

It does not matter what I think its what the moderators think. My concern is that when two illustrious drivers like yourself and Tim, who I enjoy racing with when I get the chance immensely, allude to the fact that I spun someone, the moderators show no hesitation in apportioning the blame to me.
Moderation published. 

Ronnie, as you can see you were not blamed for any contact.  I can assure you the moderators are totally impartial and I'm completely happy for any of my mod reports to be scrutinised for fairness.  Please don't think the moderators are being harder on you than they are on anyone else.  You have been putting in some fantastic performances recently and we don't want to spoil your enjoyment by appearing to single you out for extra attention during the moderation.  Concentrate on your racing and trust the moderating team.  Good luck for the rest of the season.
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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2015, 02:16:01 PM +0100 »

It does not matter what I think its what the moderators think. My concern is that when two illustrious drivers like yourself and Tim, who I enjoy racing with when I get the chance immensely, allude to the fact that I spun someone, the moderators show no hesitation in apportioning the blame to me.
Moderation published.  

Ronnie, as you can see you were not blamed for any contact.  I can assure you the moderators are totally impartial and I'm completely happy for any of my mod reports to be scrutinised for fairness.  Please don't think the moderators are being harder on you than they are on anyone else.  You have been putting in some fantastic performances recently and we don't want to spoil your enjoyment by appearing to single you out for extra attention during the moderation.  Concentrate on your racing and trust the moderating team.  Good luck for the rest of the season.

Yeah I would love to Phil, but you all just keep giving me crap like the latest incident report for the 69x at Silverstone. Like I said in my report response to this one URINE EXIT! Do you guys even look at replays??? The incident if you want to call it one was caused by the driver on pole blowing his engine on the start line and he does not even figure in the incident according to you guys?Huh?
I'm sorry but the evidence just keeps mounting up against the current moderation team with moderators and team mates often getting the benefit of the doubt unlike others. Oh yeah and I'm still waiting to see what you guys do about the pit lane overtaking at Stardust in the Works race!!!
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2015, 05:51:57 PM +0100 »

like the latest incident report for the 69x at Silverstone. The incident if you want to call it one was caused by the driver on pole blowing his engine on the start line and he does not even figure in the incident according to you guys?Huh?
I'm sorry but the evidence just keeps mounting up against the current moderation team with moderators and team mates often getting the benefit of the doubt unlike others.

I just wanted to shed some light on the fact that the 69x moderator is new to the team, and perhaps it is not fair to criticize the entire moderation team because one moderator is in training.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2015, 06:33:43 PM +0100 »

I don't believe that I ever received a notification on the T1, Lap01 melee.  I realize that it's under full moderation but c'mon...

I object to the ruling as a lack of caution...not on my part...seems to be the root cause.  Sad
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