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May 03, 2015, 10:36:08 PM +0100 - Monaco (1929-71) - UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy
Driver
 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.658
87.464mph
1 46:03.525
84.012mph
33 1:21.831
85.975mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.255
87.904mph
3 +22.164
83.343mph
33 1:20.541
87.352mph
Dunlop  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 9 +3.112
84.874mph
4 +51.621
82.471mph
33 1:23.053
84.710mph
Dunlop  
GregT
 
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:19.780
88.185mph
5 +1L
85.398mph
32 1:20.749
87.127mph
Dunlop  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 7 +2.688
85.311mph
6 +1:47.444
82.054mph
32 1:22.504
85.273mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 63 (DFV) F1 1969 14 +4.867
83.114mph
7 +2:36.141
80.623mph
32 1:25.053
82.718mph
Firestone  
DLogan
 
Lotus 63 (DFV) F1 1969 10 +3.627
84.350mph
8 +2:42.262
80.446mph
32 1:24.303
83.454mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 13 +4.327
83.648mph
9 +2L
79.028mph
31 1:24.507
83.252mph
Dunlop  
bagrupp
 
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 15 +5.415
82.580mph
10 +24.910
78.321mph
31 1:24.668
83.094mph
Dunlop  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS84 F1 1969 17 +6.238
81.790mph
11 +1:21.196
76.770mph
31 1:25.751
82.044mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +5.770
82.237mph
12 +5L
76.558mph
28 1:26.183
81.633mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 6 +2.001
86.027mph
13 +6L
80.547mph
27 1:23.733
84.022mph
Disco
Goodyear  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 12 +3.783
84.193mph
14 +16L
78.818mph
17 1:23.720
84.035mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 5 +1.945
86.086mph
15 +17L
79.713mph
16 1:22.256
85.530mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS84 F1 1969 8 +3.079
84.908mph
16 +27L
74.919mph
6 1:25.689
82.104mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 11 +3.640
84.337mph
17 +33L
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Dunlop  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT26a (DFV) F1 1969 18 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
BadBlood
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 19 ---
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Firestone  
60fps UKGPL 8
 
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 18 20 ---
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Dunlop  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS10 F1 1969 4 +0.938
87.160mph
Excluded +0L
83.967mph
33 1:20.424
87.479mph
Dunlop  

Moderator's Report

Summary

Greg starts from the pole, but runs a little wide at the exit of turn one. Clive takes the inside line through turn one and moves into the lead. Clive straddles the curb entering turn two causing him to slow more than normal. Greg brakes earlier than normal but not early enough. The result is a major pile up in turn two on lap one. Piero and Greg escape into the distance while everyone else has to wait for the track to be cleared. Later on the first lap, one driver gets it wrong through the chicane, and several other cars have no chance to avoid. Piero leads the first twelve laps of the race, and Greg is close behind. Piero’s engine expires; giving the lead to Greg. Piero stays in second place, and Tim closes the gap with ten laps to go. Tim attempts an overtake on the inside of Piero at Gazometre on lap 29, but does not have the momentum down the start/finish straight. Greg gives up the lead on the last lap when he pulls into a pit box to retire just before crossing the finish line. All of the track marshals start waving their flags even though the leader has not crossed the line. Piero brakes early for the last corner, and Tim makes contact with him. Luckily, Piero is able to continue to the finish line winning the 69 Extra Trophy at Monaco! Tim finishes second and claims the fast lap honors. Clive finishes third after an eventful race.


Server replay time: 0h01m06s

Lap 1 – Turn 2 – Collision between the leaders at Massenet. Evil Clive is in the lead, and GregT is following in the uphill Beau Rivage. Clive drives over the curbing on the right to give room for Greg. As a result of going over the curbs, Clive gets sideways at corner entry causing him to slow more than normal. Greg brakes earlier than normal, but he does not slow down enough to avoid contact. It looks like Greg tries to take a little curb on the left to avoid Clive, but there is nowhere to go. Greg’s right front makes contact with Clive’s left rear tire. The contact turns Clive 90 degrees. Then Greg’s car drives under Clive, and he continues with no loss of time. Clive and five others use a shift-R. Thirteen drivers are involved in the pileup. Greg retires from the race just before crossing the finish line. He effectively gave himself a five position penalty.

From the rule book, the following car is responsible for maintaining a safe gap and the driver needs to be cognizant of the possibility of the lead car slowing for no apparent reason. Despite the obvious transgression, Greg did brake earlier than normal, he tried to move to the left to avoid contact, and ultimately he decided to give himself the penalty before the finish of the race.


Server replay time: 0h01m09s

Lap 1 – Turn 2 – Tim Muttrum uses a shift-R at Massenet, but does not remember to take his stop & go until lap 13. Tim did the noble thing, and he reported his mistake.

As a moderator, I wish that I had some leeway to reduce the penalty. However, the division specific rules on the championship standings page state that "No Stop n Go within 2 laps = DQ. The division specific rule takes precedence over the UKGPL rule book. See Introduction on rules page which states: "Please Note: The Division Specific rules normally complement the Generic rules but where clashes or contradictions exist, the Division Specific rules will always take precedence over the Generic rules."


Server replay time: 0h02m22s

Lap 1 – Chicane du Port – Tim Muttrum does not see the first yellow flag. He does see the yellow flag just before chicane, but he does not have time to slow at that point. He made a glancing contact with Dave Rainier and Axel Cookie which didn’t seem to cause damage but rotated Axel enough to cause him to drive into Martin Hunt and Phil Thornton’s paths and cause a 2nd accident.

The yellow flags were clearly visible. The approaching driver was unsighted because of circuit topography. The cars from the incident were moving. The approaching driver slowed down but contact was made with the cars from the incident.


Server replay time: 0h17m01s

Lap 12 – Turn 2 – Marco Mercaldo runs wide at Massenet. Marco's car is against the guard rail for the middle part of the corner. Evil Clive sees an opportunity to overtake. Marco is able to extricate himself from the wall just as Clive pulls alongside. The gap that was wide enough for a truck to drive through has now shrunk to just the left side of the track. On one hand, Clive did not slow down or give enough room for Marco, but on the other, Marco's line through the corner lured Clive in for an overtake. Clive and Marco have side by side contact causing Marco to use a shift-R.

Monaco is very narrow, and it is difficult to make a clean overtake here. The rule book calls this a Contested Side by Side Contact. In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. Both drivers move over instead of staying on their own side of the track. Contact is made.

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SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
Grand Prix Legends
F1 1969
1:19.780
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GregT
Qualifying
Brabham BT26a (DFV)May 03, 2015, 10:36:08 PM +0100
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Grand Prix Legends
F1 1969
1:20.424
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FullMetalGasket
Race
Matra MS10May 03, 2015, 10:36:08 PM +0100
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« on: April 29, 2015, 11:25:29 AM +0100 »

Season 28 – Round 4 - 69 Extra Trophy - Monaco

For round 4 we visit Monaco.  Shocked

Circuit de Monaco is a street circuit laid out on the city streets of Monte Carlo and La Condamine around the harbour of the principality of Monaco. It is commonly referred to as "Monte Carlo" because it is largely inside the Monte Carlo neighbourhood of Monaco.
A very challenging tight twisty circuit, few opportunities for passing but plenty of chances to hit the scenery.
You’ve heard this before but please take care, especially on Lap 1!  nono


69X use the 60fpsV1 patch.

The race will be run under INT rules and you have a free car choice.
You can do 1 shift+r with a consecutive stop and go in the pits !

Handicapping
Drivers will have a free car choice
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For the Light drivers: Each car can be driven only once in this season!

Driver lists and explicit rules can be found on the championship page


Race List =   IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP Address = look at IGOR
Race date = 03-05-2015
Qualification Time   = ~20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Track = Monaco
Variant = 69X
Damage Model = INT
Race length = ~50 min -> 33 laps
Replay = you will get here

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start to the exit of the Casino righthander on the first lap. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 30 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 25 mins of qualifying left.  


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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2015, 06:05:14 PM +0100 »

I won't make this one....hope it isn't the crash-fest everyone worries it will be....
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2015, 06:49:18 PM +0100 »

Probably the best way to avoid a crash fest is to worry too much it will be and then start on the normal GPL grid  Wink  Grin
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2015, 08:47:44 PM +0100 »

Probably the best way to avoid a crash fest is to worry too much it will be and then start on the normal GPL grid  Wink  Grin

Exactly what I was thinking...  Evil
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2015, 05:43:41 PM +0100 »

Please make shure before the race that you can use the full ugraded track with 60 fps!

I give the advice to use the pure papy track from the CD if you have any stutters,
I do this online for security even with a decent GPU!
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2015, 09:01:01 PM +0100 »

Been away for a while for various reasons. Groaned when I saw Monaco - this is NOT the track to re-learn on Sad bailed out before I killed somebody (figuratively speaking). Did manage to blow Sam up in the pits though.... Wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2015, 09:36:50 PM +0100 »

After the second turnover in lap1 I had to retire...
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2015, 09:46:48 PM +0100 »

Good luck to everyone still running especially Andreas (I think) who I made contact with. I waited to let you go but you did look a bit smokey. I hope your good to go.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2015, 10:01:54 PM +0100 »

Hmm a lap 1 crash is not very surprising Grin. I wanted to join but still have the problem where GPL hangs after 'channel opened' when it does the final handshake, or when in normal GPL you click the green button to move into track selection screen. With Paul and I, I think we would have had a full grid! Cool

Edit: How many more for us have enough entries to hold a 'best/worst ukgpl Monaco start/crash' poll? We could include the grid with cars starting at the tunnel exit, if we need to fill it.. held in the off-season perhaps? Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2015, 11:00:59 PM +0100 »

I'll start by apologising to everyone just to be on the safe side, not for the T2 bombsite as that wasn't me (I just joined in!) but to whoever got involved in the accident at the chicane later on the same lap - I was already fully committed exiting the tunnel when the yellow flag came out ahead just as I crested the brow of the hill. I had no way to slow from that speed in time so just aimed at clear bits of track and hope.
Somehow I made it through in one piece but am pretty sure I clobbered a few people in the process  ninja

After my narrow scrape with disaster I then continued as hard as I could to try and regain position, and passed a lot of people in doing so (Hopefully I wasn't too aggressive) until on about lap 12/13 I saw a pit in message from Greg and remembered that I should have stopped for a stop and go due to the L1 carnage and my reset censored

Carried on anyway after a quick SnG - I was determined to see where I could finish in case I was remembering the rules wrong (plus I was enjoying myself) and after about 5 years I came in in what I thought was 3rd, only to find it was 2nd as Greg had pulled off.

My final apology is to Piero for the rear-ending into the last corner on the last lap, you braked so much earlier than you had previously I was totally unprepared - glad the crumpled fireball on my screen managed to pull away again and cross the line still  Smiley

Congrats to all the finishers and whoever stole 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc off me  :'(
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2015, 05:18:42 AM +0100 »

Congrats Piero, Tim, Clive!

I instigated the lap 1 demolition derby this time. Sad I'm sorry Clive and I apologize to everyone else who got caught up in all the mess at Massanet. It all started when I overshot Saint Devote. I scrubbed along the wall for bit with the pedal down. With all the commotion. I couldn't locate Piero so I was off the LR corner of Clive's waiting to lift and move right. I had my eye on you Clive expecting you to move left soon. I wouldn't have been so close but I still wasn't sure where Piero was. It looks like you tried to leave me room by hitting the curb. I braked earlier than I normally would and then I tried to go left to avoid you, instead hitting the curb bounced me to the right. I'm an arse, punting the other driver who is mostly likely to beat me.

That was rather embarrassing. It's disappointing to screw up others' races so much. It may have spoiled a lot of my fun too. I thought I could beat Piero and Tim but I had no idea about Clive. I was hoping to get clean lap 1 and see if Clive could keep up with me. I thought I could keep up with him, so I was ready to follow Clive the entire race if necessary.

I drove a decent race after Massanet. I caught Piero pretty quickly. I spun once behind Piero when it felt like I lost downforce when I swept across behind him. I don't know how or if I can pass here. I was looking for a mistake to pass. After several laps I saw smoke coming from Piero's engine. If it had to happen, at least it happened in front of the pits. Smiley After that, the big highlights were hitting the guard rail two or three more times and giving the lapped cars another car to see.

I was hoping I might set a faster lap in the race than qualifying. I'm kind of stupid to think I could get near the finish with a pristine car, light on fuel at Monaco. Smiley There's always hope.

It was still fun even though I played a big part in diminishing everybody's fun. I think we all thought it was likely there could be a spectacular pile up at Monaco. I was hoping to get out in front of it, not cause it. Sad

I couldn't bring myself to take the win. Too dirty for me to win by punting my closest competition. So I stopped after 32.99 laps to wait for Clive to pass me. Since I missed two races there's little chance I could be champion so the points weren't very important.

Take care guys.
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2015, 08:01:52 AM +0100 »

First of all, thx to Axel for the setup.

I found kind of speed but many little errors, i managed to need only one S/R, avoided start chaos.
Sorry to anyone i could not let pass instantly and who was handicapped by my car standing on the track.

Thanks for racing and Orga and cya next time.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2015, 10:04:35 AM +0100 »

I managed to need only one S/R, avoided start chaos..

That was lucky,   2x S/R would have meant DQ!


I downloaded a setup & jumped on the practice server on Saturday, along with Martin as it turned out.
Despite being outclassed in our mini session,  it certainly helped come the race; although could not better the time I'd managed in pre-event practice.

With the attending group, was surprised to not have started from the back row.  So there were a couple if snarl ups, but I've seen worse.

I'm sure the car was handling better once it had taken damage & further damage. It certainly didn't seem to feel any different,  although maybe it helped with a couple of big spins at the hairpin.   Was also lucky not losing a wheel at a few clips at the chicane.

Tried to let lapping cars through fairly easily and also the on a mission teamie Tim, on his charge through from the back.  Apologies if there were any hold ups out there, but it hard to see how quick you fast guys are coming up & best placement, particularly here with few running wide opportunities. 

In the later stages I was surrounded in pribluda by red names, although Bastian was not far enough back,  so was trying not to lose more time than required.

It still didn't really flow for me, but happy to have made it to the finish (without a reset)  and potential top 10, although that was just due to misfortune elsewhere.

Cheers all,
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2015, 12:59:26 PM +0100 »

hmmmm. I do like Monaco as it always gives some epic races.

Just looked at the replay after reading Greg's report. IMHO this was a similar situation to the Montjuice mega fest, and I was involved again !! Undecided Apologies to all those who got snarled up, but at Monaco ( as at Montjuice ) there is nowhere to go when it all kicks off ahead.

Qualification was very tight, but vitally important at Monaco because passing other cars, even if they are slower than you, is almost impossible.
Greg's WR time ( afaik ) in the Brab was awesome and although prib was promising me a sub 1:20 lap I could not quite hook it up....but my pace was on race fuel, so I knew I should be able to match Greg's pace in the race. However Piero's time had dropped me to the 2nd row with about 15 mins to go. In my mind the 2nd row at Monaco is nowhere, unless it is a full length 67 GP race where attrition and fatigue will present opportunities. So I kept hammering around tantalisingly a few tenths off that front row, either because I made a mistake or came across other cars on their quali lap that was just not quite fast enough for my purposes. Always an issue around somewhere like Monaco, where finding space for a clear banzai lap is difficult.

Just in time I hooked up a 98% lap with no traffic and slipped onto the front row alongside Greg's Brabham...it looked all set for quite a battle  Grin

We could argue that the extended grid did its job and we all got through T1 ( well 99.5% did). Greg's unexpected attempt to test the armco that early in the race, left me with a huge dilemma that required some instant decision making.
My entry into St Devote gave me a clear view of the track through the apex and up the hill. Greg was obviously compromised against the barrier and would have lost some pace, but maybe not that much. I also knew that Piero and Tim would be at full attack right behind and expecting to give their cars the full wellie up the hill.
If I slowed and played it safe ( which at any other track I might have considered!),  I would have been alongside Greg and the 2 of us would create a rolling road block. I reckon that there was a 70% chance that somewhere in the chasing pack the sudden slowing of cars in front would trigger contact and chaos.
 At Monaco, from a driver's perspective, track position is everything because it is so impossible to pass, so you have to take any chance that presents itself to make a place. I could not pass up this golden opportunity and hope that I would get a better chance later in the race.
 I nailed the gas and hoped that the cold rear tyres would yield at least some assistance ( how the heck do you get the tyres even remotely warm in the 69x cars???!!) I was also aware that Greg might detach himself from the barrier and bounce out into the centre of the track. So I used the pavement area to the right and aimed straight up the hill through Massanet to the crest, hoping that any bouncing over kerbs did not damage the suspension.

It almost worked!
In commom with the Montjuice "incident", this scrap fest was more to do with the lack of peripheral visibility and less to do with the close proximity of cars off the grid. Greg seems to have been more concerned with where Piero was, or was not, and attempted to keep to the left. This compromised his line into Casino and the rest is history as they say.
From that point on and after completing a somewhat bungled SnG where I managed to stop the Brabham with its nose buried in the piwall at 90 deg to the track, the race was one of damage limitation. I could see on Prib that Tim was steaming through the field and I was stuck behind a couple of cars that were not circulating quite as quickly as I wanted to  Undecided. It takes a lot of time and concentration to fashion a safe pass around Monaco, and I hate having to take the smallest opportunity and force the issue when racing for position. The smallest error by either driver will end in tears. A couple of cars ran wide or made big mistakes, but by then Tim was rubbing the paint off my gearbox!!. We had a few laps of fast racing until I made a small mistake and Tim took the chance. Then his progress was slowed by Sam ( I think) and I was back on his tail.
When Tim made his move to pass Sam I thought I was going to lose touch with him but unfortunately for Sam he was momentarily baulked by a car out of Casino Square and I was able to squirt my Brab down the outside and keep Tim in sight.
Our pace was carrying us closer to the front cars and I was hopeful of fighting for a podium spot after all of the problems.
But my setup in the Brab had been built on full race fuel and it seemed that as the fuel load got lighter the handling became less predictatble ( or maybe it was several "kisses" of the armco?? ). Anyway a half spin dropped me back and the harder I pushed the more ragged I became, until I forced myself to concentrate on making it to the flag, rather than risking it all on tatsing champagne.

Grats to Piero, Tim and Greg on great pace.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2015, 01:40:39 PM +0100 »

I managed to need only one S/R, avoided start chaos..

That was lucky,   2x S/R would have meant DQ!


Yes, i know Cheesy Wouldn't have done it twice, but lucky not even a need to do so. only small impacts.
good speed Dave !
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