UKGPL Season 28 (2015) Privateers Trophy (67) - Carthage - May 10

[Rainier]

Yes in those years Derek Bell, Brian Redman, David Hobbs, Leo Kinnunen were great Sportscar drivers, often at the same level than Ickx, Siffert or Rodriguez  but they didn't success with F1.

[Robert Fleurke]

Mod report published. Again, Fran's additional penalty for penalty points (+3 places lost) is automatically generated by the LM2 system, to be clear.

[bagrupp]

Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop

[bernie]

Nice report , thanks Robert 

[Phil Thornton]

Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop

The guidelines on performing S&Gs are hard to find so I've added a statement and link in the Shift-R section on the Etiquette page.  Hopefully that will clear things up and drivers will understand what the moderators are expecting to see when a driver does a S&G.

[maddog]

With thanks to Robert for checking Stop & go drivers.  And to Phil for making the requirements clear.  

I raised this subject after a pre-Season funrace, where an important pitstop was performed some distance from a pitstall, with a race win in the balance.  This seemed unrealistic, and sometimes gives a big advantage to the driver who stops the furthest from his mechanics.

Casual viewing suggests this is an area where some drivers, repeatedly choose to reset alongside the pits, and count that as a combined reset/stop & go.  The risk has to be greater than the reward to stop such behaviour.  It's not specifically a UKGPL problem, but seems widespread.  I hope combined efforts help to kill such for awhile.

[bernie]

Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop

The guidelines on performing S&Gs are hard to find so I've added a statement and link in the Shift-R section on the Etiquette page.  Hopefully that will clear things up and drivers will understand what the moderators are expecting to see when a driver does a S&G.

Good idea , but , it seems to me that ruling is mostly relevant to the old handicap system when a variable timed pit stop was used . Depending on chassis choice using a longer stationary time for the faster chassis , e.g. If driving the Lotus you had to creep forward slowly as being stationary for too long (30 secs?)  would result in GPL automatically kicking you off into retirement , pit stops were much more interesting in tho "old" days   

As such its a bit out of date wouldn't you say !

 

[Phil Thornton]

Uh-sorry for incorrect pit stop

The guidelines on performing S&Gs are hard to find so I've added a statement and link in the Shift-R section on the Etiquette page.  Hopefully that will clear things up and drivers will understand what the moderators are expecting to see when a driver does a S&G.

Good idea , but , it seems to me that ruling is mostly relevant to the old handicap system when a variable timed pit stop was used . Depending on chassis choice using a longer stationary time for the faster chassis , e.g. If driving the Lotus you had to creep forward slowly as being stationary for too long (30 secs?)  would result in GPL automatically kicking you off into retirement , pit stops were much more interesting in tho "old" days   

As such its a bit out of date wouldn't you say !

The old Pit Stop rules are still there but we choose not to use them for any of our current championships.  You can still find them on the rules pages under Structure where it talks about handicapping and chassis levelling.

You are right about relevancy.  Why keep referring to rules that we don't currently use?  Well, just to be consistent and to stop "re-inventing the wheel".  The Pit Stop rules try to be authentic within the constraints of the game and the restrictions of racing on-line so why carry on using them?  The more experienced moderators and drivers always have, it is just the newcomers who weren't around in the Pit Stop days who are not familiar with the Pit Stop conventions.

Serving a S&G in your Pit Box is the most authentic and it is current, Alonso had to serve a 5 second time penalty at Monaco last month. He didn't stop out on track to do it.  So if the current rules are a bit confusing we can re-phrase them to explicitly describe how to do a S&G as opposed to a Pit Stop of zero seconds but the description would be identical.

BTW I agree Pit Stops in the old days were much more interesting but not everyone's cup of tea (let's not go there  )

[DLogan]

I think the rule that stops must be done in a pit stall and not the "traffic lane" is obsolete, and not suitable with the new 0-second S&Gs.

Under the old system, you'd have cars sitting in the pit lane for extended periods, and for different time lengths, so you'd have cars going by each other in the pit lane. If people were allowed to just stop willy-nilly, of course you'd have blockages and chaos.

But now, no one's sitting. As soon as you fully stop, you go. If someone's following you into the pits to also serve a S&G, they just stop behind you, and go when you've gone, so no overtaking necessary, so no blockage to worry about.

Plus, many newer tracks have people standing around in the pit boxes, which brings up visibility issues using the pit stalls.

I don't think many were aware of the exact wording of that section (me included), and I well admit that I haven't aimed specifically at the pit boxes when doing S&Gs. I've done my stops in the pitlane, but anywhere I'd consider safe to stop.