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May 31, 2015, 10:49:20 PM +0100 - Nürburgring (Nordschleife) - UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
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GregT
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 1 7:41.985
110.560mph
1 46:23.234
110.110mph
6 7:38.820
111.322mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +7.426
108.811mph
2 +1:05.677
107.571mph
6 7:46.712
109.440mph
Dunlop  
Ronniepeterson
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +13.166
107.496mph
3 +1:31.156
106.618mph
6 7:54.361
107.675mph
Goodyear  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS84 F1 1969 6 +19.012
106.190mph
4 +1:33.950
106.514mph
6 7:52.536
108.091mph
Dunlop  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +16.755
106.690mph
5 +2:04.219
105.405mph
6 7:45.126
109.813mph
Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 8 +22.492
105.427mph
6 +2:35.995
104.266mph
6 8:00.942
106.202mph
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 11 +36.925
102.377mph
8 +3:04.739
103.256mph
6 8:10.203
104.195mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
McLaren M9A F1 1969 13 +47.360
100.280mph
9 +3:17.604
102.810mph
6 8:04.790
105.359mph
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 63 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +26.533
104.555mph
10 +3:38.428
102.097mph
6 8:13.369
103.527mph
Firestone  
Tom van Ostade
 Antipasti Racing
Eagle AAR101 F1 1969 12 +40.897
101.568mph
11 +4:26.331
100.493mph
6 8:22.049
101.737mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M9A F1 1969 14 +48.004
100.153mph
12 +4:28.225
100.431mph
6 8:16.901
102.791mph
Dunlop  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +1:06.624
96.625mph
14 +8:06.943
93.714mph
6 8:36.025
98.981mph
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Eagle AAR101 F1 1969 19 16 +2L
93.632mph
4 8:51.273
96.141mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS84 F1 1969 7 +20.992
105.754mph
17 +4L
101.118mph
2 8:10.004
104.238mph
Disco
Dunlop  
bagrupp
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 15 +53.717
99.043mph
18 +5L
93.641mph
1 9:00.817
94.444mph
Disco
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 63 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +11.793
107.808mph
19 +6L
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0 ---
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Disco
Firestone  
60fps UKGPL 8
 
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 18 20 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 17 +1:37.757
91.251mph
Excluded +0L
94.307mph
6 8:40.456
98.139mph
Goodyear  
JonnyO
 Team Coyote
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 20 Excluded -4:42.343
103.281mph
6 8:07.793
104.710mph
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 10 +29.894
103.840mph
Excluded +2L
97.329mph
4 8:29.414
100.266mph
accident
Firestone  

Moderator's Report

Summary

Greg set a blistering pace, turned the fastest lap, and won the race from pole. Andreas made his return to sim racing in good form and finished a solid second. Ronnie finishes on the podium for his first time in the Season 28 69X Trophy.


Server replay time: 0

JonnyO drove the McLaren M7 (DFV) in two races this season. He used the M7 at Monaco and at Nurburgring.
Jethro drove the Lotus 49b (DFV) in two races this season. He used the 49b at Silverstone and at Nurburgring.

The 69 Extra Trophy Championship page rules states that "Light drivers: Each car can be driven only once in this season."


Server replay time: 0h01m00s

Lap 1 – T1 – Bob, Tim and Piero run wide in turn one. Bob outbraked himself into T1 having out gunned Tim on the straight. Tim couldn't slow enough AND turn inside him so he had to come to a stop against the grass behind Bob. On the server replay, Tim gives Bob a slight bump, and Bob is lucky to land back on track facing the correct direction! Then a second or two later, Piero spins under braking for turn one. Piero was a passenger after spinning putting his right rear in the grass, he lost control. He was at 50kmh in the grass riding the fence, with Tim stationary. Unlucky for Tim, the contact flips his car upside down. Bob and Piero recover quickly. Tim uses a shift-R.

The drivers had lost control, left the track, and came to rest in the catch fence. No Lack of Care approaching an Incident:

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m12s

Lap 1 – T1 / T2 – Bernie and JonnyO are side by side with a nice sized gap between them. There is no visual evidence of contact between them on the server replay, but Bernie is bounced off track and his car flips upside down. Jonny is able to continue. Bernie has to use a shift-R.

In the server replay, it appears that warp is entirely to blame, and the drivers should be exonerated and not penalized in any way.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h01m13s

Lap 1 – T2 – Dave Curtis is navigating past spun cars in turn one and he is correct to be driving cautiously. Piero rejoins the track behind Dave at the entry to turn two. Piero follows too close, and he bumps Dave into a spin. The contact is very light, and probably does not cause much damage. However, Dave did lose a lot of time from the incident.

The victim slowed down for an incident for which the shunter was unsighted. The shunter was too close to take avoiding action.


Server replay time: 0h08m41s

Lap 1 – Bernie uses his first shift-R at 0h1m12s on the server replay. His second shift-R was at 0h8m41s. His third shift-R was at 0h43m09s.

The 69 Extra Trophy Championship page rules state that Multiple SHIFT-R = DQ


Server replay time: 0h09m31s

Lap 2 – Start / Finish line - Bob pulls into the pits for his Stop & Go. On the server replay, Bob does not come to a complete stop. He slows down to 10kmh before taking off again.

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2015, 10:45:22 PM +0100 »

Good race for me.  Had a great battle with Jonny O for the second half of the race.  I kept ahead until the second to last corner when he swept by to beat me to the line by a few car lengths.  At times I pulled out a few seconds only to throw the advantage away with a duff gear change.  I'm still pleased, my clutch control is getting better  thumbup1

Had Martin in my sights a couple of times but he was just too fast.  Grats on a good result Martin.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2015, 11:13:54 PM +0100 »

Welcome back Andreas;  to a tough one!  Although, maybe some local knowledge helps here?

Realistically, I was only going to be racing myself tonight.
Took to the practice server earlier & whatever time I ended up with would be a PB!  Although, it was taking about 4x cars per lap...
Come the 'practice race' was pleased to have made the entire 3-lapper  in the same car.

Forward to tonight & could have done without being tangled up in other's misfortune from the start; was sure the steering was bent but apparently not too much apparently.
As I was then misplaced/gained a few positions;  tried to hand them back - but probably with mixed success.

Later on, I had a small gap back to Doni/Bernie; but lost that with a spin to the bank.    In hindsight;  maybe I should not have pulled over/waited for Doni to pass;  as Bernie nipped past too.  Then 3 of us were circulating together for a while. No slight intended to Bernie,  but presumably, Doni had some issues as Bernie/I were able to nip ahead & edge away.    

Then some close running with Bernie for a while;  until he had a slight spin that let me past.  All going well,  but the last lap was bad.   Hindsight is a wonderful thing;  I now know that I should have taken my shift-R early in the lap;  rather than battling with a non-steering car for most of it & after too many more crashes;  eventually made it after one of the rear wheels fell off.

Still never mind;  managed to get 67 seconds off my PB;  so pleased with that at least.
Parts of the track do remain more familiar now [crashed here before... and here... and here...]

Cheers all,
Dave.



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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2015, 10:32:57 AM +0100 »

First of all GRATS to the podium and especially to Greg for such marvellous times!
Great job by Andreas on his Lieblingsstrecke Wink

The Ring is not a track I like, as it does not allow any Verschnaufpause, so with more laps my mistakes got worse...
I made them in the places where I know I have to be extra carefull Roll Eyes

I am happy that 16 drivers finished in the same lap and the server kept it all together!

The 69X mod has a BUG, it makes double driver entry numbers, wich costs extra work to import the reports...

Upcoming Monza is more à mon gout  Grin

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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2015, 01:06:29 PM +0100 »

Sorry to hear of Cookie's Gout, which can be painful when one has to 'leg it.'  And thanks Phil.  BTW, my mirrors were available, but it takes two to Tango and I preferred to Waltz it home ahead,  at a place where dicing is dicy.  And where I'd had to jink it near the start, or help create another lap 1 roadblock!  I hope those who often twist enjoy that.  It wasn't the fashion for 1969, what with no-one involved taking the lead.

Anyway, with such perils precluded,  I emerged towards the nub of the Nurb, and forged fourth for a time.  My car was handling with great refinement, allowing me to spin with precision, at the same spot, on both lapse 1 & 2.  Whence, humongous proportions of skill were thowed and flowed sixth, through man and machinery thereafter.  Not always in unison, but sufficient to reach the finish line without major damage.  The real race lasted over 2 hours in
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2015, 06:50:46 PM +0100 »


Get jumped at the start only for one of the cars that jumped me to out brake himself and leave me trapped behind him on the grass at T1

Guilty oops sorry about that, I got a good launch and what with this place being difficult to o/take...  I was going okay into T1 but had to keep to the outside of another car and strayed onto the grass which caused the dreaded pirouette...still I'd hope to conduct myself better.

My first qual lap (also the first out of the pits) was actually good enough for P2 but for some reason GPL didn't register it (assume the same for all?), but I had feared I start last so 5th not too bad.

After my T1 incident I got a bit close to the barriers at T3 and was punted round (actually thought I'd given enough room), restarted dead last.  I caught a few cars and managed to get past as a result of others issues and genuine o/takes (thanks for giving me room).  Quite a few cars seemed to be warping at the start = I was warping, but this seemed to settle down through the race, anyone else have that?

Pleased to finish 5th, had too many incidents to do better, but happy with my FL...albeit 7 secs from Greg's!

Cheers,

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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2015, 07:23:22 PM +0100 »

No worries - I was a tad worked up when I quit out as I'd spent 3 hours turning the 63 around from wallowing pig to pleasure to drive!

During my very short 1/2 lap of racing I had the absolute bejebus scared out of me by Johny-o as he was warping around like a pinball  Shocked
He vanished just after Flugplatz and after waiting a few seconds and he didn't re-appear I assumed he had disco'd so pressed on again. Just before Foxhole he reappeared again behind me!
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2015, 09:37:38 PM +0100 »

I caught a few cars and managed to get past as a result of others issues and genuine o/takes (thanks for giving me room).
I tried to put up a bit of a fight but you were far too fast Bob.  I definitely didn't yield but I didn't take a defensive line into Bergwerk and gave you an opportunity to come up the inside (if you hadn't taken it I'd have carried on fighting) but you didn't need a second invitation and once you were past you disappeared.

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Yes I did, Wasn't sure if it was me or the server so I just persevered and hoped I wasn't going to be discoed!
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2015, 09:53:46 AM +0100 »

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Great job by Andreas on his Lieblingsstrecke Wink

The Ring is not a track I like, as it does not allow any Verschnaufpause, so with more laps my mistakes got worse...
I made them in the places where I know I have to be extra carefull Roll Eyes

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Yeah, Congratulations to all Finishers! What better place for a comeback then the good old Nordschleife.  Smiley Glad to be back at action! 
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2015, 11:56:46 AM +0100 »

Not much to say from here except that it was great to see Andreas back in the wars and going great guns.  Tommie wicked fast in the same Eagle I ran.  How ever does he do it?  I just larked around at the back for fun til the eyeballs caved(much as they did the day before in an oAo race).

Greg...  What are you smokin', bud?  Fab stuff!  Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2015, 01:50:51 AM +0100 »

First of all GRATS to the podium and especially to Greg for such marvellous times!
Great job by Andreas on his Lieblingsstrecke Wink


Thanks Axel. Yes, Andreas did great! I spoiled his excellent return though. That's the only thing about my race that didn't make me happy. At one point I felt a little like I was kicking a man while he was down. Sorry Andreas!

I think it's my favorite track too. Targa Florio is too long to ever feel I can learn it's nuances very well.

I drove with a little bit of anger and a great deal of determination. I'm a bit angry with myself lately. I've been making small mistakes that have resulted in catastrophe and caused accidents.Sad Plus, I inherited a 16 second lead at Nurburgring after two laps on Saturday, only to make the small mistake of lifting a little late for Flugplatz and rolling the car over on the banking. That's after I just learned to do 7:59s with the 67 312. I was so pleased to pull off a 7:59 in Q for a Pro race, only to toss a race victory on lap 3! Nurburgring can be such a cruel place at times, no wonder many have called it Hell.

Immediately after starting to practice for this race Saturday, I became determined. Jackie Ickx had the record on my computer with 7:42.8 or 7:43.8. That was the first goal I was determined to complete. The second one was beating that erroneous 67 312 time on UKGPL. UKGPL is too cool to have the fastest lap at great place like Nurburgring be ficticious. Now, the fastest UKGPL lap at Nurburgring is legitimate! Smiley The third thing I was determined to do was get a lap in the 7:30s. Since I couldn't do it in qualifying, I decided near the end of lap 2 to do it as quickly as I possibly could in the race. I tried to drive as fast as possible from lap 3 until the end when I finally got it done. I thought to myself several times, "you're putting an easy win in jeopardy trying to go this fast!" So I gave it just about everything I had the entire race, the first two laps opening a comfortable lead on Andreas and the last 4 laps hellbent on breaking 7:40.

The Ring is not a track I like, as it does not allow any Verschnaufpause, so with more laps my mistakes got worse...
I made them in the places where I know I have to be extra carefull Roll Eyes


You did well on the opening lap! You, I, Andreas, and Ray seemed to be only ones that managed to have a clean lap 1. Clive didn't do bad either except for a quick spin in one of the slowest sections of the track. The long straight does allow a little
Verschnaufpause. I took a sip of tea on the straight on every lap. Smiley

I am happy that 16 drivers finished in the same lap and the server kept it all together!


That's great! I was surprised to see so many finishers while watching the last several minutes of the race. I got a laugh seeing Tommie qualifying his lowly Eagle, but then I thought he might do well because of attrition. You should have taken the 49 Tom. You'd have probably looked pretty good with 400 hp available, even without wings. 260hp is somewhat of a joke in this mod.

It's interesting how patience and consistency worked through the race. The top 4 finishers were all consistent. Jonny's patience and consistency moved him up the grid nicely.

Excellent time for Tim and Clive with their 4wds. I thought Tim was in the 49b too, until I watched the replay. I thought you hadn't practiced enough and that I got lucky you weren't well prepared for the race. You and I shattered the records for our respective cars. Excellent on your part. It's a shame your luck was so bad. On my part, it appeared the 49B has been neglected at this track. That's been lessened now. I'm impressed with Clive's performance in the MS84. It may have been better than mine was. I have no idea what I can do with one of those heavy beasts at this track.

Did anybody see Dean and DaveR's top speed with their 4wds? They were close to 190 mph before Antoniusbuche with the M9A! I was limited to 175 mph with my steep wing angles. Most others were the same except the Lotus 63 and MS84 were down 2-3 mph from the conventional cars.

It looks like Bob would have been rather strong with more practice and some good luck.

Overall, it was a great event for me. I struggled a little in qualifying. I abused the engine a great deal in Q with little result for it. I was abusive to the engine through the race but not heavily until the last lap. I made few mistakes. I think I had one quick spin that resulted in me losing less than 5 seconds and 7 or 8 turns throughout the entire race where I needed to slow much more than usual to keep the car on the track. There's still plenty to learn about the 49b here. My setup is good even though I'm not very pleased with my gearing. If you thought I was fast on this race day, I think a 6 speed transmission in the Lotus 49b would gain at least two more seconds. It's cool when a car and a track having you dreaming about parts you'd like.

Greg...  What are you smokin', bud?  Fab stuff!  Smiley

Of course it was buds, leaves would never do the trick. lol No, I just got on a good roll, in the zone, had a good rhythm going, whatever you want to call it. That's something I used to do easily but it rarely happens now. That's something I loved most about sim driving. Everything would fade away expect where the car needed to placed on the road or track. I could give 100% and get the feeling I go do no wrong. My heart, coordination, and stamina haven't allowed me to do that well in several years.

Thanks guys. This one was very enjoyable. I look forward to racing here again in the top 69x cars.




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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2015, 10:39:15 AM +0100 »

For the record I have never been around the Ring in any mod in less than 8 mins, so was well chuffed to dip below into the 7.50's even if it was in a 69x car.

But Greg was in another much faster world. Nice to see a legit above board fastest lap for a change here at UKGPL. Great times Greg and great race. Well deserved mate.
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2015, 02:19:10 PM +0100 »

Great report there Greg and a stunning performance in the race!!

As for my MS84 drive ... It might have been better if a) I had practiced and b) I had not had to abort on lap 1 when I got too close to Ronnie under braking.  I was fortunate that there was a gap in the traffic so early in the race and I only dropped a few places.

Once up to pace the MS84 handled quite well and I had chosen it, because I might be able to hussle it into some points if I kept it on the road for the whole race. The rather hastily cobbled setup actually proved to be very good and if I had really banzai'd a lap or two there could well be a five or more seconds to be shaved off. But this was a race about survival and points with a slower car  Wink

I think Axel and Phil thought me a dangerous person to have behind them and allowed me to pass unchallenged  as I moved back up through the field. I was closing on Ronnie twice but had a strange handling anomoly in the same place on 2 consecutive laps when it felt like the car bottomed out and snapped into a 360 spin...(need to look into that one). That left Ronnie off the hook and I was content to pick up some good points in 4th spot.
Really good to see so many finish on the green hell and in cars that would not always have been first choice....especially Tommie in the asthmatic eagle.  Grin
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2015, 10:46:43 PM +0100 »

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Great job by Andreas on his Lieblingsstrecke Wink

The Ring is not a track I like, as it does not allow any Verschnaufpause, so with more laps my mistakes got worse...
I made them in the places where I know I have to be extra carefull Roll Eyes

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Yeah, Congratulations to all Finishers! What better place for a comeback then the good old Nordschleife.  Smiley Glad to be back at action! 

Great job Andreas, finishing second to a Ringmeister like Greg is no shame at all!  Cool

PS: @ Axel: Verschnaufpause am Döttinger Höhe Wink
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2015, 09:16:06 PM +0100 »

I had some contact with piero and Jens Walters (?) in that race,
both my fault. Sorry for that.
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2015, 04:52:12 AM +0100 »

Mod report published. Good luck in the season finale'
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