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June 14, 2015, 10:38:02 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 28 (2015) 69 Extra Trophy
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 4 +0.940
148.549mph
1 48:11.559
146.772mph
33 1:26.464
148.739mph
Goodyear  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 1 1:25.635
150.179mph
2 +0.453
146.749mph
33 1:25.466
150.476mph
Dunlop  
Piero Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
Matra MS10 F1 1969 8 +1.220
148.070mph
3 +3.455
146.597mph
33 1:27.294
147.325mph
Dunlop  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 2 +0.438
149.415mph
4 +9.928
146.270mph
33 1:26.745
148.258mph
Dunlop  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 10 +1.904
146.913mph
5 +38.764
144.830mph
33 1:28.097
145.982mph
Dunlop  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 16 +2.976
145.135mph
6 +1:00.826
143.748mph
33 1:27.832
146.423mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 6 +1.140
148.206mph
7 +1:00.927
143.743mph
33 1:27.426
147.103mph
Firestone  
GregT
 
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 5 +1.132
148.220mph
8 (+1) +1:02.936
143.645mph
33 1:27.367
147.202mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 12 +2.181
146.449mph
9 +1:10.430
143.282mph
33 1:27.611
146.792mph
Goodyear  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Matra MS10 F1 1969 13 +2.193
146.429mph
10 +1:17.097
142.960mph
33 1:27.597
146.816mph
Dunlop  
maddog
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 15 +2.871
145.308mph
11 +1:27.774
142.448mph
33 1:28.969
144.551mph
Dunlop  
bagrupp
 
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 14 +2.737
145.528mph
12 (+1) +1L
141.695mph
32 1:27.256
147.389mph
Firestone  
dave curtis
 Black Night Racing
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 19 +4.995
141.902mph
13 +6.368
141.385mph
32 1:28.982
144.530mph
Dunlop  
bernie
 Soggy Bottom Racers Club
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 17 +4.158
143.225mph
14 +7.554
141.327mph
32 1:28.459
145.385mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 312 (1969) F1 1969 11 +2.035
146.693mph
16 +9L
143.427mph
24 1:28.325
145.605mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 49b (DFV) F1 1969 7 +1.189
148.123mph
17 +13L
145.618mph
20 1:26.806
148.153mph
Disco
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Matra MS80 (DFV) F1 1969 3 +0.721
148.925mph
18 +16L
147.151mph
17 1:27.548
146.898mph
Disco
Dunlop  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 18 +4.423
142.804mph
19 +25L
143.295mph
8 1:29.398
143.858mph
Disco
Dunlop  
60fps UKGPL 8
 
BRM P126/139 F1 1969 20 20 DNS ---
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Dunlop  
Marco Mercaldo
 Squadra Padova Corse
McLaren M7 (DFV) F1 1969 9 +1.532
147.540mph
Excluded +9L
143.788mph
24 1:27.745
146.568mph
Disco
Goodyear  

Moderator's Report

Summary

Robert started late from pit lane. His lap times were the most consistent. He took the lead with two laps to go, and won the race. Not bad for a reserve driver. Tim was the fastest driver on this day. He started from pole, and he had the fastest lap in the race. He led the first and the 26th laps. He recovered from earlier mistakes, and he only finished four tenths behind Robert. Piero put in a great effort. He led the most laps. He was very consistent up until lap 32 of 34. He only went off track once, which put him back to third.


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Marco drove the McLaren M7 (DFV) in two races this season. He used the M7 at Monaco and at Monza.

The 69 Extra Trophy Championship page rules states that "Light drivers: Each car can be driven only once in this season."


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Lap 1 – Starting line – Red Zone - Rear end shunt. David R. has a bad start, and Phil had to move right to avoid him just at the point when he needed to change up. Unfortunately Phil missed the gear (easy to do with H shifter and clutch). Doni starts from behind Phil, and he follows Phil to the right. Phil slows a lot, and Doni is unable to avoid him. Phil flips over, and he uses a shift-R.

The victim slowed unexpectedly and shunter was too close to take avoiding action.


Server replay time: 0h02m38s

Lap 2 – T1 - Curva Grande - Side by side contact. Bastian moved to the inside of Marco after passing the 100 m sign for the corner. Bastian was 8 Km/h faster and had about 50% overlap when Marco turned into the corner making contact. This was a preventable incident. Bastian could have waited for a safer opportunity. Conversely, Marco could have gone wider and no accident would have happened. However, it is debatable wether or not Marco could have still been watching his mirror the instant before corner entry. Marco receives the worst damage, and he has to use a shift-R.

On a straight, the overtaking car moves out to overtake, maintains his line and has NOT achieved 100% overlap but the overtaken driver moves across into him. Penalty for overtaken driver. Simple side by side contact penalizes the overtaken driver one place usually. In this incident, Marco lost even more than one place on track after completing his shift-R and Stop & Go.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h05m13s

Lap 3 – Parabolica – Side by side contact. Tim is on the inside. He loses control, and takes out Dean. Dean comes to a stop in the sand trap, but then gets caught in the sticky Hedge while turning around. Dean has to use a shift-R, and he goes from 7th to 18th place.

In a corner, after a legitimate overtaking attempt the cars end up side by side. One driver looses control and strays from their side of the track. Contact is made. Warning for the driver that moves over.


Server replay time: 0h38m14s

Lap 25 – Parabolica - Rear end shunt. Marco and Phil slow down through Ascari to avoid a car that is recovering from an off. Greg overtakes Phil, but stays behind Marco going into Parabolica. Marco slows 15 mph more than normal for the corner and Greg is going about his normal speed (100 mph). Greg rearends Marco under braking before corner entry. Marco's car flips over, and he has to retire.

The victim was in full control but braked early compared with the average for the division. The shunter had not followed the victim at a safe distance for a lap or two. The shunter was in full control.


Server replay time: 0h38m22s

Lap 25 – Parabolica - Rear end shunt. Dean overtook Bastian under braking for Parabolica. Dean is on the inside of the corner, and he slows down for the incident that happened a moment before hand. Bastian turns into the corner behind Dean. Bastian is distracted by the cars in the gravel when he realised too late that Dean had slowed more than usual. So by reflex, Bastian tries to go to the inside of Dean where there was not enough space. Bastian makes contact with Dean's right rear corner. Dean's car flips over, and his race is ended.

The victim was in full control but braked early compared with the average for the division. The shunter had not followed the victim at a safe distance for a lap or two. The shunter was in full control.

SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
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« on: June 10, 2015, 01:46:40 PM +0100 »

Season 28 – Round 6 - 69 Extra Trophy - Monza

For round 7 we visit Monza, the race track is located near the city of Monza, north of Milan, in Italy. The circuit's biggest event is the Formula One Italian Grand Prix, which has been hosted there since the sport's inception.
Not much to say about this super fast track...

69X use the 60fpsV1 patch.

The race will be run under INT rules and you have a free car choice.
You can do 1 shift+r with a consecutive stop and go in the pits !

Handicapping
Drivers will have a free car choice
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For the Light drivers: Each car can be driven only once in this season!

Driver lists and explicit rules can be found on the championship page


Race List =   IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP Address = look at IGOR
Race date = 14-06-2015
Qualification Time   = ~20:45  UK time -> 45min
Race Time = race starts at 21:30 UK time
Track = Monza
Variant = 69X
Damage Model = INT
Race length = ~50 min -> 34 laps
Replay = you will get here

The red zone will be fully moderated for lap 1 only. For this event the red zone will be from the start to the exit of the Lesmo 2 on the first lap. Other moderation will be on reported incidents only.  However any incidents that occur in the red zone that are not reported by the drivers will be reported by the moderator.

Please restrict chat to emergency messages only including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 30 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 25 mins of qualifying left.  

I recomment for drivers with low spec pc's to use the original Papy track version for 60fps online races!

GLA

WE WILL USE a PASSWORD for the TRAINING SERVER! = 60fpsV1
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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2015, 05:19:58 PM +0100 »

During 1969, there were some big changes to the appearance of these cars.  It's possible some racers have not explored all the different models, the 69x mod has available.  I confess, I often stick with one I like, but have decided, as we are racing the correct championship tracks this Season, to use the correct car model for the track.  So for Italy, I'll be racing the IT car.
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To change to a new model, go to the Player info page.  Go to the graphics arrow, and scroll down to make a change.  This will not change the performance, but only the appearance of the transportation.  Stop & go penalties not required for not doing so correctly, as I might forget by next race. Grin  This info is mostly for those unaware of this poorly labeled, alternate model option.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2015, 10:29:21 PM +0100 »

Sorry Ray if the touch at Curve Grande spoiled your race it was looking like good fun up to that point  Undecided

Thanks to Axel for blowing 2 engines whilst towing me around.

and grats to Robert for being steady and getting to the flag first, Hard luck to Piero and what a great FL Tim
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2015, 11:01:54 PM +0100 »

Getting punted into the weeds at Parabolica (twice) doesn't help one's championship standings.  Angry
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2015, 11:11:05 PM +0100 »

Enjoyable race and very pleased to get 6th.  Didn't get off to a good start though.  The car next but one ahead got a bad start and then the car ahead of me moved right to avoid a rear end shunt and I tried to do the same. Unfortunately it was just as I needed to change up and I missed a gear.  I was left in neutral trying to find a gear and slowing considerably; not surprisingly I got rear ended (sorry Doni there was nothing you could do I'll submit a report). I needed a shift R and had to do a S&G at the end of lap 1.  I came out of the pits just behind Robert who had started from the pit lane.  To go on and win from there was a fantastic drive! Grats Rob.

I'd given up all hope of a result but I decided to press on.  For some reason I managed to catch Marco and Greg (they must have had some trouble, they were both faster than me) and had a great battle with them until they both went off at the Parabolica.  I then set off after Sam and David.  They were having a great fight and I was just about to join in the fun when David had a spin.  That left Sam to chase down over the last few laps. We swapped places a few times but I just managed to stay ahead by a cars length over the finish line.  Some good clean enjoyable racing Smiley

I've still not fully mastered the right foot braking and clutch control with the H-Shifter but it is getting easier.  I wouldn't go back now, it feels so much more authentic and great fun.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2015, 11:42:25 PM +0100 »

Getting punted into the weeds at Parabolica (twice) doesn't help one's championship standings.  Angry

I think one of those was me Dean.
I didn't think the car in front of us would slow so heavily into Para and managed to lock the rears up while avoiding him, I span as a result and you had no way of avoiding being clobbered by me - sorry Sad

It was one of those races for me, I managed to go off into Para on the 2nd lap when I tried staying wide as I was convinced Clive was inside me ( I watched the replay and he wasn't. He was miles back giving me room!  Roll Eyes ) - the car twitched and the effort of staying left while catching it was enough to put the rear wheel on the grass. I rejoined right on the outside and was hit - the replay is odd enough that I wonder if lag had some involvement in miss-reporting where my car was.

After that re-rejoin everything stayed quiet for me and I made my way back up through the pack until eventually I found myself behind Piero and with a massive gap back to 3rd. I'd been worrying over fuel levels around half distance and also had the engine somewhat toasty, with unhappy tires to-boot. So I decided to take it easy and simply draft him for 5 or 10 laps to let the car cool and the tires recover.
The plan was to then time a pass (I was certain after about 5 laps that he had a slower top speed out of draft than I did) so that I could pass him into a slow corner and then gain at least a little draft from a backmarker along the next straight in oder to let me break free.
It worked perfectly...
Or would have if I hadn't then missed my breaking point in Parabolica by about 50 meters while checking Piero was still a safe distance behind  censored

Another brief trip into the kitty litter and I found myself rejoining 400 Yds behind Robert with 3 to go and swearing loud enough that I'm fairly sure the neighbours heard  Embarrassed
After Piero span I found myself back in 2nd and on the last lap within spitting distance of Rob - I pulled in about 120 Yds I think in that lap was it just wasn't quite enough as I crossed the line less than half a second behind him.

Well done on a brilliant drive Rob and bad luck Piero.
Well driven to all the finishers.
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2015, 12:04:19 AM +0100 »

Joined with less than 25 mins to go being reserve, I hope all full timers were on the grid as it was full house.

Was looking for some good fun, and that's what I got. Tweaking racesetup took too long and missed the start. Decided to try to make the best of it. Was a long way behind, up to 30s, but the cars in front dropped like flies. Didn't have to pass many on the track actually.

Some good fun with the likes of Dave Rainier and Andreas who were driving and racing real good! Bastian got caught out by me I think not knowing I was at the inside at Parabolica. Felt a slight nudge, but only saw in replay what happened...anyway that was a nice 4 car dice...almost passed 3 cars in one move, before Andreas rightfully defended his position  Cool After that Dave Rainier was able to hang on to me for quite a while. He had real good topspeed as well...

Before I knew I was 3rd chasing the leaders down. Tim seemed about to have about the same pace as me in clean air and caught Piero. After some laps Tim got stuck in the gravel at Parabolica, and I caught up with Piero in the penultimate lap, with Tim also closing in. I think I surprised Piero, he went wide at Lesmo 2, and I had a better exit and momentum. Threw the dummy to the right and went left before Ascari. Cleared him at the straight, stayed left and was able to outbrake him. Was pretty stoked with that move for the lead. Also thanks to Piero for the racing room. Wink

As Piero lost it half, Tim went by and he was on fire. He almost caught me in the last lap, but ran out of a lap to pass me. He was way better in Curva Grande and had a real slick car it seemed, especially when towing him.

Thanks for the fun, this made my raceweekend Smiley

Good job and grats Tim for laprecords, really fast even with tow. Also well done Piero, who must feel disappointed leading so much, and well done finishers. Commiserations for all the retirements...
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2015, 08:38:43 AM +0100 »

Dean, I'm very ashamed to bounce you out again.
here is what i wrote in the incident report.

The rest of the race was fun with fighting especially S. Blood,
but i have to look at some things within the next days as well.

Generally i lost my Concentration around Lap 25 and fell back form 6th to 12th.

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My Fault. I was distracted by the guys in the gravel when i realised too late dean was slower in parabolica then usual. I would have to hit the brakes so hard i would have spun, so by reflex i stepped inside where there was not enough space for me and dean got turned upside down. i'm really sorry.
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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2015, 09:47:46 AM +0100 »

A slower start than Phil and got a grandstand view of his acko with Doni which I managed to avoid and joined the train behind 2 Davids C&R . Not so much luck with lap2 however at curva grand when the lady singled me out for a wheel change , I tried to avoid everyone by taking to the grass but got caught by someones front wheel which launched me into the barrier , I think I was the only car involved who was unable to drive away free without any damage , amazing when you see the contortions of some of the cars who got away unscathed and able to drive away . After my re- set & pit stop I was now playing the lone ranger for many many boring laps until the usual lappery began , I had to wait many many laps before I could get a bit of a tow from the leaders ( where are these fast guys when you need them ) that got me a place or two and almost caught Dave C up for a last lap sprint to the finish  . Madly exiting race once again  Roll Eyes

Great to have full grids at Monza a favorite track of mine , the track is a great leveler with the slipstream escp. in 69x mod , but without "the tow" you are always going to be going backwards .

Grats to all the Aliens standing on the podium and to those mere mortals who finished with all there hub caps and mirrors in place  Smiley

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2015, 10:29:01 AM +0100 »

 I then set off after Sam and David.  They were having a great fight and I was just about to join in the fun when David had a spin.  

No, it was not me ...

Very frustrating race for me, after a nice battle with Andreas, I was 4th during several laps, thanks to Robert's tow (the final winner !!!) until I lost time, was a victim of Sam's spin and finally blew up my engine.   
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2015, 10:49:05 AM +0100 »

By the way, it is really a great mod and a great championship :
7 races, 7 different winners
and we were 19 at the start, yesterday evening !!
I just hope there was nobody unable to join.

also the moderator is doing a very nice work.
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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2015, 11:41:29 AM +0100 »

 ???why try braking of life at the Parabolica.............if there are 2 km to overtake after ...............
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2015, 12:06:27 PM +0100 »

At Monza, my car lacked one important item, speed.  So realistically, the best I could hope for, was a top ten finish.  Reached as high as 5th in the early going, and with no major blockages along the way.  There is hope for us all. Cool

A careless spin put me into the clutches of a rampant rear guard, and recovering front runners who I hoped to latch onto, but instead disassembled my 12 cylinders, in front of the main grandstands.  Tifosi were not amused!  For the race remainder, I tried to circulate inconspicuously.  May have to return disguised as a faster driver next time, or risk a lynching.  Grumble . . . grumble!   
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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2015, 12:53:55 PM +0100 »

 I then set off after Sam and David.  They were having a great fight and I was just about to join in the fun when David had a spin.  

No, it was not me ...

Very frustrating race for me, after a nice battle with Andreas, I was 4th during several laps, thanks to Robert's tow (the final winner !!!) until I lost time, was a victim of Sam's spin and finally blew up my engine.   

I apologise for that Dave. Normally I can keep the back end of the 69 cars in-check, but unfortunately on that particular lap it got away from me and collected you in the process  Sad.

As for my race, the first few laps went swimmingly. I was up to 3rd chasing down Clive & Ray until they had a coming together at the Parabolica. I got caught up in the crash and gave the barrier an almighty clout. Quite amazed it didn't rip a wheel off.

Having said this, while all four wheels were still on the car it soon became apparent the engine was down on power and at Monza I was a sitting duck and dropped down the field as quickly as an anvil in free fall. In hindsight, a shift-r and stop go would have been a faster strategy.

I managed a couple of spirited battles with Dave and Phil at least. The tow helping me keep up with them despite my engine's struggles. Couldn't quite keep in front of Phil for 6th but have to be reasonably satisfied with the result. Congrats to all finishers  Smiley.
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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2015, 04:20:57 PM +0100 »

Sorry Ray if the touch at Curve Grande spoiled your race it was looking like good fun up to that point  Undecided

No problem Clive, great racing up to that point with yourself and Axel. I thought we had a gap between us but the GPL gods demanded we do the dance of death. You seemed to come off worse but nice to see you recovered well. Like wise Piero. We were having a great scrap until I got it wrong in Curva Grande.... again! I forgot there was a shift-r on offer and quit, my bad.

Grats to Robert, Tim and Piero.
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