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October 06, 2015, 10:36:34 PM +0100 - Monza (GP 1955-71) - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Historic Trophy (66)
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 Team
Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
Ballast
Mark75 Barresi
 
BRM P83 F1 1966 1 1:31.626
140.358mph
1 52:34.000
138.635mph
34 1:32.216
139.460mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 2 +0.760
139.203mph
2 +27.157
137.451mph
34 1:32.715
138.709mph
Firestone  
FullMetalGasket
 Black Night Racing
BRM P83 F1 1966 5 +1.772
137.695mph
3 +1:04.000
135.878mph
34 1:32.774
138.621mph
Goodyear  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
BRM P83 F1 1966 10 +2.876
136.086mph
4 +1:55.588
133.734mph
34 1:34.632
135.899mph
Goodyear  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1966) F1 1966 11 +3.130
135.721mph
5 +1:59.422
133.577mph
34 1:34.845
135.594mph
Goodyear  
philippe GIRARD
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 13 +3.356
135.398mph
6 +1L
132.747mph
33 1:35.222
135.057mph
Firestone  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
BRM P83 F1 1966 12 +3.191
135.634mph
7 (+2) +12.654
132.224mph
33 1:34.824
135.624mph
Goodyear  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 6 +1.801
137.652mph
8 +29L
134.276mph
5 1:33.857
137.021mph
engine
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 3 +1.617
137.924mph
9 +33L
130.289mph
1 1:38.216
130.940mph
accident
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 8 +2.733
136.292mph
10 +1.885
127.847mph
1 1:38.640
130.377mph
accident
Firestone  
Phil Thornton
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 4 +1.694
137.810mph
11 +2.892
126.580mph
1 1:40.813
127.567mph
accident
Firestone  
bagrupp
 
Ferrari 312 (1966) F1 1966 14 +3.512
135.176mph
12 +3.688
125.596mph
1 1:38.843
130.109mph
accident
Firestone  
francesco
 Antipasti Racing
Lotus 43 (BRM) F1 1966 9 +2.851
136.122mph
13 (+2) +9.013
119.387mph
1 1:45.340
122.085mph
accident
Firestone  
Ronniepeterson
 
Honda RA273 F1 1966 7 +2.216
137.043mph
14 +18.155
110.048mph
1 1:55.139
111.695mph
accident
Goodyear  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
McLaren M2B (Ford) F1 1966 17 16 DNS ---
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Firestone  
60fps UKGPL 8
 
Cooper T81 (Maserati) F1 1966 16 17 ---
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Firestone  

Moderator's Report

SUMMARY
Mark wins an eventful race in convincing style leading from flag to flag. Dean put in a strong performance to claim second place followed by Tim Muttram in third.

The race was marred by a huge pile-up on lap 2. Please read the moderation report and heed the advice. With the 60fps patch, modern servers and good internet connections we should be able to enjoy good close racing without any major warp issues but we still need to drive carefully and considerately.


Server replay time: 0h00m53s

Lap 1 - Main Straight - Francesco Molteni and Ronnie Peterson
Ronnie gets a bit of wheel spin and is slightly slow off the line. Francesco gets a brilliant start and moves to the inside in order to overtake Ronnie. At the point where the track narrows and splits away from the old banked circuit, Francesco moves across and hits Ronnie's front wheel. Both cars hit the armco barrier and Ronnie spins but neither car appears to sustain significant damage. However both drivers, particularly Ronnie, loose a lot of time and more importantly any chance of a tow. At Monza with the 66 mod this is a serious disadvantage.

Ronnie did absolutely nothing wrong.

Francesco moved over far too early. He should have ensured he had cleared Ronnie which means he should have been able to see the Honda in his mirrors BEFORE he moved over.

Moving over at the start is particularly dangerous as it is difficult enough to keep a track of the position on one car you cannot see never mind several. Drivers should stay on their own side until they are sure it is safe to move over. For example P Thornton started on the left, stayed left through Curva Grande, left through Della Roggia then left through Lesmo 1 and only took the racing line into Lesmo 2 when he was sure no-one was alongside (Bastian Grupp).


Server replay time: 0h04m03s

Lap 2 - Parabolica - Axel Cookie, Evil Clive
Axel is fighting for position with Dean and holds a tight inside line through Parabolica but as he exits the turn he applies too much power (or maybe the limited slip differential had run out of slip) and he half spins. Tim Muttram is literally inches behind Axel but manages to avoid contact with some very skilful driving. Axel ends up going very slowly on the outside of the turn where he is collected by Evil Clive who moves out from the slipstream of Andreas just at the wrong time and contact is made starting off a chain reaction involving several other drivers.

Phil Thornton - no yellow flags - backed off but no chance to avoid Clive who bounced into his path.

Sam Blood - no yellow flags - backed off and successfully avoided the wreckage - excellent driving.

David Rainier - no yellow flags - backed off but couldn't negotiate a path through the wreckage - contact was made but because of slow speed there was not significant damage and the result was a simple spin - good driving.

Doni Yourth - no yellow flags - backed off and successfully avoided the wreckage - excellent driving showing superb car control.

Francesco Molteni - yellow flags waving - didn't back off for yellow flags. Started to back off when it was far too late and massive contact with Evil's car was made - poor driving.

Phillipe Girard - yellow flags waving - didn't immediately back off for yellow flags. Started to back off when he saw cars strewn across the track and was fortunate not to hit anything. The explosive contact between Evil and Francesco cleared his path - poor driving.

Bastian Grupp - yellow flags waving - didn't back off for yellow flags. Started to back off when it was far too late and massive contact with Evil's car was made - poor driving.

  • Racing incident


Server replay time: 0h04m03s

Lap 2 - Parabolica - David Rainier and Bastian Grupp
David Rainier is recovering from a spin having made contact with the wreckage strewn across the track on the exit of the Parabolica. David had hardly moved before he was hit by Bastian Grupp, so it cannot be said that he moved into Bastian's path, Bastian would have hit him anyway. Bastian's car is wrecked and he is out of the race, David can continue.

Bastian was unlucky but he didn't back off when the yellow flags were being waved. In effect he contributed to his own downfall. If he had slowed instead of accelerating at normal racing speeds he may have been able to take avoiding action.

David missed an opportunity to reverse out of danger. His first thought in a recovery situation should have been to get out of danger not how fast can he get back onto the track.


Server replay time: 0h04m09s

Lap 2 - Parabolica - David Rainier and Ronnie Peterson
David Rainier is recovering from a spin having made contact with the wreckage strewn across the track on the exit of the Parabolica. The sensible thing to do would have been to make a right turn away from the racing line. Instead David turns left onto the racing line and straight into the path of Ronnie Peterson. Despite the huge contact, David could continue but Ronnie's car was badly damaged and he was out of the race. The Yellow Flags were waving for Ronnie and he didn't slow but there was a clear path through the wreckage. Ronnie may have been able to avoid David if he had slowed considerably but there really was no need given the clear track. The responsibility for the incident must lie with David.

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1:31.626
140.337mph
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« on: October 03, 2015, 07:12:19 PM +0100 »

Season 29 Historic Trophy - Round 1 – Monza

The first round of the season will be at Monza in Italy, one of the most famous circuits on the Formula 1 calendar.  An iconic track, it has been used in every Formula 1 season apart from 1980 when the circuit was undergoing refurbishment (the Italian Grand Prix was held at Imola that year). Renowned as a high speed circuit, slipstreaming is paramount here and it usually produces very close racing.

There have been ten variations in track layout over the years.  The variants which don't use the famous banking are called the road circuits. For this race we will be using the 3rd variation of the Road Circuit which was used between 1955 and 1973.  With no chicanes this is the fastest variant of the road circuit.

The full time drivers can start to practice as soon as the server is available.  Reserve drivers can also join as soon as the server becomes available but must leave the server with 35 minutes of qualifying left, for a total of 5 minutes; this will allow any remaining full timers to join.  If there is enough space on the grid, the reserve drivers will be able to rejoin when there are 30 mins of qualifying left.  

Please restrict chat to pit messages including at the end of the race until ALL drivers still racing have crossed the line.

All races will be run at 60 frames per second – please use this patch 60fpsV2newmod.

Drivers must complete 50% of each race to score.

This race is for cars with 3 Litre engines.

Race List = IGOR
Server = UKGPL_8
IP address = look in iGOR
Race date = Tuesday 06-10-2015
Time = 21:00 UK time (21:00 GMT)
Track = Papyrus Original
Race length = 34 laps (50 Minutes)
Variant = 1966 3L
60fps patch used = 60fpsV2newmod
Damage Model = Pro
Qualifying time = minimum of 30 minutes

Password see above
Replay will be here

Driver lists and rules (please note the rules for the Historics are different this season) can be found on the championship standings page

Only reported incidents will be moderated, there is no Red Zone.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2015, 07:59:09 PM +0100 »

New rules this season gents.  Remember there are five 3 Litre races:

06/10/2015   Monza
03/11/2015   Spa 67
01/12/2015   Rouen
26/01/2016   Sachsenring 1967
23/02/2016   Bremgarten

You must pick at least 1 car from each group.  So that means if you do 3 or more of the 3 Litre rounds you must have used at least one of the Group 1 cars (Mclaren M2B Ford or T1G Eagle Weslake) and at least one of the Group 2 cars (BRM P83 or Lotus 43 BRM) in addition to any of the Group 3 cars (Honda RA273, Cooper T81, Brabham BT19 or Ferrari 312).

So pick your chassis for Monza carefully.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2015, 09:01:01 PM +0100 »

I think I may have found the problem with UKGPL4 and fixed it.

Praccy server up on IGOR please test your connections.

Please note UKGPL4 is only a backup, the intention is to use UKGPL8 for the league race tomorrow.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 09:39:54 PM +0100 »

Things deepen.. This time, as soon as I was on the grid, all cars disappeared, Q bar rising.. last time it was only once I moved from the grid slot/pit box. Roll Eyes

But then, even stranger - my car was stuck to the slot! This replicates a problem Lorenzo had in oAo! Shocked

That means I don't even get the 2x better 3 lt groups to take the challenge to Mark in the races I can hopefully start Tongue
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 09:45:50 PM +0100 »

Unlucky Iestyn.  I didn't fair much better.  Bogged down at the start and then got in a tangle with Evil at parabolica on Lap 2.  Sorry mate when you bounced off Axel into my path I had nowhere to go Sad
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 09:48:59 PM +0100 »

You have to laugh  laugh laugh laugh

No really you have to laugh  laugh laugh laugh

By the way is it obligatory to drive with your eyes closed this season  laugh laugh  laugh

See you all at the next banger race  laugh laugh laugh
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 09:52:43 PM +0100 »

Ai,ai Axel,this time with your spin you have started a big carnage:Entering the parabolica i was convinced that the yellow flag was for the car in the send(so not slow) but behind the curve i have found the track full of car.
Is a shame ,Monza is one of my prefered for the races.
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 10:38:39 PM +0100 »

Sorry Ronnie, I think I destroyed your race (and your car) at the end of lap2.
There was a big crash at the exit of Parabolica, I spun  two times due to other cars before our incident.
Maybe, you and Bastian had too much speed and were not enough cautious when you were seeing this crash.
Just before, I had a look but could see no coming car...

For the final result, the server lost 3 cars : Mark (the winner), Philippe (6°) and another (Tim ?).

 
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 10:59:31 PM +0100 »

Yup - Me Sad
Do you want an incident report for it or will you sort anyway?

Good race other than the server forgetting I was there  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 11:33:03 PM +0100 »

Yes sorry for the spin, could not push esc fast enough to avoid this, SORRY

Tim wich position you had crossing the line?

I try to sort it out with the replays last lap crossing the line, but the times do not match the reports Shocked

MB crossed the line 53:15 and 54:48
DL crossed the line 53:45
PG crossed the line 53:58
DR crossed the line 54:14
TM crossed the line 54:19 and 56:03
SB crossed the line 55:14
DY crossed the line 55:18
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 11:51:27 PM +0100 »

...MB crossed the line 53:15 and 54:48
DL crossed the line 53:45
PG crossed the line 53:58
DR crossed the line 54:14
TM crossed the line 54:19 and 56:03
SB crossed the line 55:14
DY crossed the line 55:18

I'm pretty sure Phillipe and David were a lap down, so order should be Mark, myself, Tim, then Sam and Doni.

edit: replay for download has size of 0 bytes?? re-edit: rpy's working now, thanks
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 09:28:09 AM +0100 »

Tim wich position you had crossing the line?

I try to sort it out with the replays last lap crossing the line, but the times do not match the reports Shocked
May not help much,  but I've certainly found loading replay into GPL.tv client helps as it show the track & driver labels moving around. However, I guess that's all good if the replay is correct...

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2015, 10:03:17 AM +0100 »

No worries Phil, just like Axel I was pounding the escape key as soon as my front wheel vanished. Shocked

 But as always in these multiple shunts, if the car is being kept moving by impacts you cannot escape and that invites further chaos!!!   Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2015, 10:24:45 AM +0100 »

Sorry Ronnie, I think I destroyed your race (and your car) at the end of lap2.
There was a big crash at the exit of Parabolica, I spun  two times due to other cars before our incident.
Maybe, you and Bastian had too much speed and were not enough cautious when you were seeing this crash.
Just before, I had a look but could see no coming car...

For the final result, the server lost 3 cars : Mark (the winner), Philippe (6°) and another (Tim ?).

 

Hi Dave,

i was seeing Axel sliding around inside the track, upside down. I went to the outside track as much as i could when you (?) suddenly came from blind spot behind the armco, no chance to avoid. I was then uncontrollable and hit another car.

A shame becaue after a horror quali i found a setup which was working somehow for me....
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2015, 01:02:16 PM +0100 »

Hard luck to those that retired early on. I just about managed to avoid the carnage (probably to do with being so far down the field) and immediately lost the tow to the front runners afterwards.

But, that set the scene for a brilliant race long battle with Doni that went right down to the wire on the last lap. Haven't had that much fun in a race for a long time  Smiley.

Technically, both me and Doni were lapped by Mark which means we finished our race on lap 33? I crossed the line in-front on lap 34, but I'm not sure who was in-front the lap before (I do remember it being very close!)

Anyway, a massive thanks to Doni for that hard fought but fair battle.
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