Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 7, Anderstorp - Apr 9

[popabawa]

Thanks for the support guys Especially to Don, you are a gent!

Obviously I was pretty disappointed (to say the least!) not to finish the race. If I'd been thinking a bit more clearly I'd have crawled round to complete the last lap instead of getting inadvertently beached through trying to do it as fast as possible - idiot

Anyway, I'll leave it at that.

[Nick Phillips]

How refreshing to read posts like these, kudos gentlemen, very sporting on someones else behalf. 


Still gutted i missed this race, even though i dislike Anderstorp. :'(

True indeed, the Nascar fraternity could learn a lot from the way things happen here.

Most refreshing

[Scott Carpenter]

  I wonder, is there any change in my   Nostradamus prediction Yet 

[D Boyd]

Interesting day for sure, but much better than the self-destruction I suffered at Spa last week.

Qual was a bitter-sweet, did 2 quick laps and put up a 25.4 right away so just figured I would see what happened. Looked like CJ was only one that was going to beat it so I loaded race set and did a few laps to get the feel of that. Of course JonM ends up sneaking under me by like .0XX with only 3 min left so I was resigned to 3rd.

Race started pretty good, CJ, Jon and me seemed to be able to pull away from mo and Rich by enough that I didnt have to watch my mirrors and I could go to work on Jon. After a couple laps of pressure I was able to get the drive on Jon out of 1 and draft by enough to make a clean move going into 2. Jon got a bit better drive coming out of 2 and made a move heading into 3 and gave me a slight tap that sent me into the grass, which put me back to 6th just behind my m8 Krueger.

Went to work on getting it back and Krue let me by without much fuss, but I think I had a small off and had to start over. Took a few laps in traffic to run Rich down and he defonatly made it easy on me. Set out after mo and Jon and they were a bit harder to catch but slowly was reeling them in with traffic. Jon must have made a bobble as I noticed I was now chasing a lister, then he lost it in last corner and I snuck inside and set out for mo. Planned an early pit to avoid issues and so went in on 26 about 2-3 seconds adrift of mo. After the pits sorted out only Nakano was left between me and CJ as he had not pit. Got passed Nakano, promptly lost it and had to reel him in again but finally ended up in a comfortable 2nd.

Pretty much auto pilot for last 1/3 of the race until the last lap  that is. Trying to sneak past Bernie?? going into T1 it seemed he was letting me through inside but then turned in, jumped on brakes hard but too late and gave him a bit of a bump, sorry m8 was not intentional. Then in T3 all the sudden there was (i think) shark 550 out of controll, had to come to complete stop to keep from hitting him, think it may have been the infamous pops race ending Zacari. Anyway managed to get passed and by this point wondered if I would ever make it home but all worked out and sailed home to 2nd.

[popabawa]

  I wonder, is there any change in my   Nostradamus prediction Yet 

OK, I give up

[D Boyd]

  I wonder, is there any change in my   Nostradamus prediction Yet 

  I give up what does that mean??

[D Boyd]

ROFL great minds think a like Pops?? 

[popabawa]

Great minds think alike.....

...and fools seldom differ!   

[Dave 'Gizmo' Gymer]

I think the results need editing to give Pops the win. He had completed more of the race than Don

They had both completed 50 laps - the same distance. Only complete laps count - you have to have a yardstick somewhere.

I'm not going to add 1 or Pop's number of laps because the data would just be plain wrong then.

'The car placed first will be the one having covered the scheduled distance in the shortest time. All cars will be classified taking into account the number of complete laps they have covered, and for those that have completed the same number of laps, the order in which they cross the line.'

I'm not the FIA.

I spent years correcting GPL's dodgy exports by hand and I'm determined not to end up going down the same route, and like most leagues the rule (currently unwritten, but I'm going to fix that) is that (except in the event of an actual error in the results export - something I've not seen for a long time) the results as shown in the export are final - in this case a DNF for Pops.

I've seen the incident on the replay and it's a harsh outcome - Pops is very unlucky - but to 'fiddle' the results in this one case isn't fair to all the other drivers over the past few seasons who have crashed out in the last few laps of a race and been classified behind those a lap behind who take the flag.

[[ZiP]Tyf]

I feel for Pops of course but racing is harsh. Watched the Nascar at Bristol and 2 guys in top 4 got punted off in the last lap, still the result stands I think:(. This was a 1/4 mile track btw, 15 secs a lap, so the #1 lost 3 places 12 secs or so before end of race!? 

T

[Rich_A]

Walkerism time..

"Anything happens in Grand Prix racing and it usually does."

Classic.

Although I do think there are far too many incidents which can only be improved by using some kind of pre-season qualifying. Something to consider in future anyhow.. but quite tricky to accomplish.

If there was full course yellow, this would reduce incidents cause no one likes loads of pace car laps. Was like that in Nascar league I did - maybe GTR2 proper pace car.

[Zacari]

I spent years correcting GPL's dodgy exports by hand and I'm determined not to end up going down the same route, and like most leagues the rule (currently unwritten, but I'm going to fix that) is that (except in the event of an actual error in the results export - something I've not seen for a long time) the results as shown in the export are final - in this case a DNF for Pops.

Surely this is an error in the results export?  In the replay Pops is 10th, Whitham 11th and Don 12th and the replay isn't wrong

Cant there be a rule that if the results export is in doubt then the finishing order should be cross-checked with the replay by the race report moderator.  If they aren't the same then either 1) the replay-specified finishing order is used rather than the export or 2) the individual lap times for the specific cars in question is calculated and used to modify the results if necessary.  I'll happily volunteer to do the calculations myself if it's too much extra work, it just seems bad to accept the exported results even when they're wrong.

[picnic]

They had both completed 50 laps - the same distance. Only complete laps count - you have to have a yardstick somewhere.

In your calculations do you tot up the lap times, wouldn't Pop's have a lower 50 laps completed time and thus get the win?

[Paul968]

I could be wrong, but the issue I think is that modifying the exported results is a pain for Dave, so he's saying that it's easier to in effect change the rules so that drivers who don't cross the finish line are classified as DNF and will place behind all the finishers, regardless of how many laps they were behind.

Can't say I like this, and from what I can see most here think the same, but then I don't have to mess around with websites and exports. If there was a simple way to frig the export to make this work, would you change your mind Dave?

[Simon Gymer]

I could be wrong, but the issue I think is that modifying the exported results is a pain for Dave, so he's saying that it's easier to in effect change the rules so that drivers who don't cross the finish line are classified as DNF and will place behind all the finishers, regardless of how many laps they were behind.

But that could mean that I could be 10 laps down and finish and beat the leader who crashes out on an extra lap over everyone else. That's just not right. It shouldn't matter whether I am 10 laps or 1 lap down I shouldn't be able to beat someone who has completed the race faster than me.

This is a bug in the GTR exports.

If only Pops hadn't beached his very broken Porsche on the curbs in this such rare situation of circumstance. I think he was just trying to highlight a loophole in the game exports. Very clever, but maybe it backfired on him.  LOL.