UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) UKGPL 69 Extra Trophy - Silverstone - Nov 8

[Iestyn Davies]

The thread seems to be matching the race - collision central .

On that note, Burt was practising on his own, as the server was full; he'd just re-installed GPL, and wasn't signed up, but might wish to in future? He joined the 65s this week, after setting up 60 fps etc.

Dean - if you have some time to review incidents and can assess it fairly from each driver's POV, then no doubt you'll make a good moderator.

[bagrupp]

Someone wrote a duplicated Reko investigation for the start ?

[Rainier]

Moderation posted. Thanks to other moderators for their help.

[maddog]

Moderation published :  Opinion required when penalty will not fix the problem.  Incorrect stop & go was 30 seconds - now 5.  With this, you will have to check every driver, every race. 

A reset in the pit happens in every League.  It needs a big discouragement.  When a driver of many years does this, there is an advantage.  5 seconds only is an advantage.  Bring back 30 seconds, or cause a wheel to fall off, for an extra stop. 

[Rainier]

Moderation published :  Opinion required when penalty will not fix the problem.  Incorrect stop & go was 30 seconds - now 5.  With this, you will have to check every driver, every race. 

A reset in the pit happens in every League.  It needs a big discouragement.  When a driver of many years does this, there is an advantage.  5 seconds only is an advantage.  Bring back 30 seconds, or cause a wheel to fall off, for an extra stop. 

We already check pitstops for every driver and every races.

In Rouen, Marco didn't really stop and he had 30 seconds.
In Silverstone, it was not so clear for Clive, and for Greg he made the pitstop but before the reset, and before that he joins the pits at slow speed, I cannot see where is the advantage.
   
 
Greg is not a driver of many years in UKGPL. I did exactly the same mistake during my first (or 2nd) season here.
By the way, I could even give him a penalty of 4 laps if you prefer but it will not change anything.

[maddog]

No-one likes penalties.  It would be good if one penalty, stops the next penalty.  When they are good, they might be needed less.

[DLogan]

...No clear fault from Piero or Marco...

Really? See all that wonderfully clear, open, and SAFE space for Marco to be (like on the OTHER HALF OF THE TRACK)? Yeah, that's HIS screenshot, btw. 



Doesn't the etiquette guide say that when you don't know exactly where the other guy is, to leave AT LEAST half the track width for them (which Piero did), until you're sure that it's safe? Wouldn't that have been a good idea, especially right at the start of the race when you know that any small incident can have MAJOR repercussions? Isn't that even up to the "bad decision which affects other's races" standard?

How many more races am I going to have to start lap 2 at the back of the field, 30 seconds or a minute behind the leaders (and my shift-r already spent on something I had nothing to do with), because "nobody did anything even the slightest bit wrong"?

Reconsidering my involvement with this championship, because recovery drives are not fun, and IMO moderations like that make the results meaningless, and only invite further carnage, and arguing, and "why am I getting penalized when X took out the entire field TWICE IN A ROW" pissing contests.

 

[Phil Thornton]

Hi Dean, I've sent you a PM.  Please have a read at your earliest convenience.

[DLogan]

Hi Dean, I've sent you a PM.  Please have a read at your earliest convenience.

Nothing in my inbox?

[Phil Thornton]

Hi Dean, I've sent you a PM.  Please have a read at your earliest convenience.

Nothing in my inbox?

That is a bit odd.  I've resent.  There should be something in your "my messages" page

[DLogan]

Oh, it's the one from last week you're talking about.

I've been kind of waiting to see how this plays out, and as much as I'd like to offer what help I can (and still will, regardless), frankly, I'm not anxious to be associated with decisions like this (or Rouen). I'm at a loss to understand how there is "no clear fault" here, and would be completely unable to describe to anyone asking how this somehow promotes clean, fun racing, which is what I thought we were all here for.

[bagrupp]

mhh not so agreeing with the decisions,
but life goes on....in Monza !

[Robert Fleurke]

Oh, it's the one from last week you're talking about.

I've been kind of waiting to see how this plays out, and as much as I'd like to offer what help I can (and still will, regardless), frankly, I'm not anxious to be associated with decisions like this (or Rouen). I'm at a loss to understand how there is "no clear fault" here, and would be completely unable to describe to anyone asking how this somehow promotes clean, fun racing, which is what I thought we were all here for.

Dean, every moderator has his "own style", and how much we try to be consistent with UKGPL Rules, there will always be different views and interpretations.

There was consensus about the start incident between Marco and Piero. We felt both could/should have given eachother more room, and/or be more cautious. Marco understeered/slid to the outside, and Piero slightly lost control at the exit (oversteer). Both cars moved to eachother. Therefore it was decided to be a contested side-by-side contact, racing incident...this was not a black/white incident with only one driver having responsibility...

[Philippe Girard]

I know it's off topic, but
what is the Vmax is 69x mod with the Matra MS80, to Monza , for example?
I have a lot of difficulty to properly set my box  

[DLogan]

I know it's off topic, but
what is the Vmax is 69x mod with the Matra MS80, to Monza , for example?

It will depend on wings, tire pressures, gearing, and draft, but for an example, with (iirc) wings at 3 deg front/3.5 deg rear and tires at 23psi cold, I was getting 304kph at the end of the straights the last time I ran the MS80 in a race there.