Endurance Championship - Season 2, Round 9, Estoril - Apr 23

[Simon Gymer]

You wouldn't hear me complaining if we started a new Enduro season the week after next with the same excellent crowd. Its been the best yet (I know I say that every time ).

Perhaps we can up it to 3 hour races. 
(Well maybe GTR2 where we'll definately get online driver changes  )

[ginsters sponsored]

This has prolly been discussed endlessly before, but could we try a team enduro race (pinching an idea from some other league  ). Teams of two, one to quali and race stint and then 2nd member joins in right order via chat room, no quali, the week after. Two stints each? Add times together to work out how much team KC wins by. I would have thought Spa 24 would be ideally suited for it.

Like I said, sure it been discussed before and rightly dismissed. However it did work quite well elsewhere (there were some problems though) and would nicely fill the gap till season 3.

[popabawa]

As for Monza, maybe we could make a contest who bangs Shark more times.

Awww, Truetom, I didn't know you and Shark had that kind of relationship!

[Simon Gymer]

As for Monza, maybe we could make a contest who bangs Shark more times.

Awww, Truetom, I didn't know you and Shark had that kind of relationship!

 

[Simon Gymer]

This has prolly been discussed endlessly before, but could we try a team enduro race (pinching an idea from some other league  ). Teams of two, one to quali and race stint and then 2nd member joins in right order via chat room, no quali, the week after. Two stints each? Add times together to work out how much team KC wins by. I would have thought Spa 24 would be ideally suited for it.

Like I said, sure it been discussed before and rightly dismissed. However it did work quite well elsewhere (there were some problems though) and would nicely fill the gap till season 3.

We can discuss that before any potential season 3 starts (be it with GTR or GTR2). I would like to also enforce mandatory pit stops in all classes and maybe a few other tweaks to the format too. Let's finish this season first though. 

[Truetom]

As for Monza, maybe we could make a contest who bangs Shark more times.

Awww, Truetom, I didn't know you and Shark had that kind of relationship!

 

 

So THAT'S whan banging means!   

[Mark J]

Awww, Truetom, I didn't know you and Shark had that kind of relationship!

hehehe, top drawer Pops, nice one     NGT Team Champions and razor wit too 

[Rich_A]

This has prolly been discussed endlessly before, but could we try a team enduro race (pinching an idea from some other league  ). Teams of two, one to quali and race stint and then 2nd member joins in right order via chat room, no quali, the week after. Two stints each? Add times together to work out how much team KC wins by. I would have thought Spa 24 would be ideally suited for it.

Like I said, sure it been discussed before and rightly dismissed. However it did work quite well elsewhere (there were some problems though) and would nicely fill the gap till season 3.

We can discuss that before any potential season 3 starts (be it with GTR or GTR2). I would like to also enforce mandatory pit stops in all classes and maybe a few other tweaks to the format too. Let's finish this season first though. 

Seems a bit cumbersum. I'd prefer 1h30min races, this will certainly force a pitstop for all cars. Would also like to see max drivers per team, I think four is plenty then there can be team A, team B ect..  also would like pre-season qualifying where one track is used, simply submit saved hotlap - it's judged for corner cutting and no excessive bottoming out. Qaulifying is accepted if within 105% of fastest time submitted. Only thing that can't be done here is check for tyre wear and fuel consumption, have to make that clear and hope everyone follows it. Discussion for another thread though. Also GTR2 out soon enough so maybe a few fun races is more on the menu, maybe some endurance events with Lemans or another addon track.

[Nakano_56]

.  also would like pre-season qualifying where one track is used, simply submit saved hotlap - it's judged for corner cutting and no excessive bottoming out. Qualifying is accepted if within 105% of fastest time submitted. Only thing that can't be done here is check for tyre wear and fuel consumption, have to make that clear and hope everyone follows it.

Dude no offence but 1 fast lap doesn't mean people have any idea about racing also Ive not experienced a problem with slower drivers . There are also many other flaws with such a system such as if it was a track that CJ was particularly strong at the only quailfires would be CJ, Boyd , Jon M and Kruger because I mean no offence to anyone by saying this but none of us are anywhere his pace. On 105% would give you a second maybe second and a half to get in, also hot lap pace means nothing in race trim, and I don't know if you noticed last night but it was a very poorly supported race by the GT cars and by running such a draconian system would only shrink our number of drivers!!!!!! so maybe we would be looking at a max grid size of 10 for both classes.

Oh and one more thing but I consider passing slower drivers as a integral pat of racing with out it we would have been robbed of some classic racing.

[Zacari]

There are no kamikaze drivers in the league so why the need for pre-qualifying?  No-one's running anyone off the road either by obvious and consistent bad driving or out of anger, and the racing tends to be fine wherever you end up in the grid.

Seen as we may be moving to a 36-car server there wont be a space issue.

People get faster with every race they run, so someone may not be on the pace initially but would be better after a couple of rounds.  The 'hotlap' track used for pre-quali would suit some and not others, some people like twistier tracks like Brno and others the fast tracks like Monza, some people would have hours to spare hotlapping a good time whereas others have better things to do!

Just because someone's 3 secs off the pace it doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to race.

But that's all for next time, grats to the race/championship winners!

[[ZiP]Tyf]

...some people would have hours to spare hotlapping a good time whereas others have better things to do!

Don't feel the need to comment on the rest, buttah this 1 I couldn't let go!

WHAT!?

Better things to do than hotlapping!? WOT WHERE!

 

T

[Rich_A]

I hear you, all it takes though is a hotlap from any session submitted for confirmation. I don't mind viewing a few replays np.

105% is perfect. For 1m30 track that's 90 seconds, 90 x 1.05 = 94.5 seconds. That's more than acceptable.

Claus is not way out of my league or quite a handful of drivers here at SROU, nobody is so super human and can't be beaten. I've driven with Claus a couple of times and in some turn i'm plain faster but of course most turns he finds more speed. It's not that important, all that's important is good attitude and willingness to learn. I've been racing ISI engine since GTR2002 and haven't stoped since, still learning alot and have met some great drivers along the way.

Now, say for example someone set rediculous time of 2m07 at Spa, although I don't think that's possible unless no fuel or tyre wear. That's 127 seconds, 127 x 1.05 = 133.35 which is 2m13.35 .. more realistic is at most 2m08.5 which would make 2m14.9. There will be some drivers that will struggle to get there but most drivers here would be able to ge that np. If this pre-season qualifying takes place then it shows a certain amount of preparation and dedication both from SROU and the drivers. If you know anything about cars then all it takes is a couple of thirty min practice sessions and you're done. This pre-season qualifying will make it a better league, it will show to new members that not just any old Joe can join and that everyone is up to a certain standard. Also it will make those on the cusp work a little harder to find enough speed. If someone is struggling to find speed then they can ask about the car they're driving here and everyone will be more than willing to help.

It's so basic, there's deadline for submitting hotlap replay. The replay must be named as follows for example Estoril HOT LAP [Player name][Time].VCR i.e Estoril HOT LAP Rich_A 1m35.919.VCR  ...you are allowed to submit a maximum of three hotlaps. The reason for this is because the results will be updated daily and you can see if your time is within 105%. If it isn't then have to try for faster lap time.

I can make email address specially for this np. It's very straight forward and imo is habbit worth getting into! 

[Nakano_56]

Dude i really dont think you are reading too well today but I also think you are slightly deluded in the fact that you think you are as fast as CJ. Point one:- hot lap pace is irrelevant to race pace just coz some one can put in on good lap doesnt mean they are inherrently a good racer, there will always be people who take the view that by setting the fastest lap they are the best but then they tend to crash alot...
Point two:- We dont have a very large active user base for GTR so imposing such a system would further alienate new members.
Point three:- putting laps on slower cars or passing a slower car that has managed to get ahead of you is a SKILL as show by the late great Ayrton Senna so removing the slower cars would take some of the fun away from racing.

The systems you talk about all the time are implemented by the likes of COMET league where the pace is ALOT faster than it is here, I know they dont do GTR anymore but maybe if you are looking for such a system then maybe you should try racing the likes of Hutu and see how far you get?

[Rich_A]

Looking at NGT qualifying times from most recent Estoril Endurance as example. Fastest time is 90.459 by Don.. multiply by 0.95 = 85.936mph. If you look at mph some drivers slower than this. If there is a pre-season 105% rule then drivers have to put in a little bit of effort. What's the saying, you only get out of something as much as you put into it.

[Zacari]

Rich none of that addresses why it's needed?  If it aint broke dont fix it!  If there's no problem with people running off the pace there's no need for such a system surely?  There aren't enough drivers for 2 divisions so unless you plan to tell the slower guys to speed up, (which is pretty rude and against what UKGTR should be about), or go away, then you can't implement a 105% rule anyway.

Someone could be running 10% off the pace and it wouldn't bother me.

...some people would have hours to spare hotlapping a good time whereas others have better things to do!

Don't feel the need to comment on the rest, buttah this 1 I couldn't let go!

WHAT!?

Better things to do than hotlapping!? WOT WHERE!

 

T

Well for starters, there's those excellent Dutch 'coffee' houses...