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  • Endurance S2R9 - Estoril: April 23, 2006
April 23, 2006, 09:07:31 PM +0100 - Estoril (GP (2000 onwards)) - UKGTR GTR1 Endurance Season 2
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Nat. Make Model Class Qualifying Race
Tyres Pos Time/Gap Pos Time/Gap Laps Stops Best Retirement
reason
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Nakano_56
 Kerb Crawlers
Lister Storm GT1 4 +2.080
96.087mph
1 1:20:14.150
90.591mph
47 1:37.731
94.945mph
Dunlop  
SpaceFox
 CBFR
Saleen S7-R GT1 3 +1.860
96.307mph
2 +50.674
89.647mph
47 1:38.071
94.616mph
Dunlop  
Simon Gymer
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 7 +6.374
91.997mph
3 +1L
87.838mph
46 1:41.751
91.194mph
Dunlop  
Mark J
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 9 +6.596
91.795mph
4 +17.608
87.521mph
46 1:42.020
90.953mph
Dunlop  
Truetom
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 11 +7.629
90.866mph
5 +2L
86.694mph
45 1:42.867
90.205mph
Pirelli  
ginsters sponsored
 Kerb Crawlers
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 8 +6.525
91.859mph
6 +6.436
86.578mph
45 1:42.441
90.580mph
Dunlop  
picnic
 Team Shark
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 12 +7.721
90.784mph
7 +37.580
86.022mph
45 1:43.102
89.999mph
Dunlop  
Don
 Legends Racing
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 14 +8.089
90.459mph
8 +57.407
85.673mph
45 1:42.772
90.288mph
Dunlop  
enz13_gt
 
Lamborghini Murcielago R-GT GT1 5 +2.917
95.262mph
9 +1:11.431
85.427mph
45 1:40.174
92.630mph
Michelin  
maverick
 Team Shark
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 15 +9.398
89.319mph
10 +3L
83.914mph
44 1:45.065
88.317mph
Dunlop  
silver53
 Ze insane Penguins
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 18 +13.963
85.559mph
11 +37.124
83.279mph
44 1:45.554
87.908mph
Pirelli  
Clarey
 
Ferrari 360 Modena NGT 12 +41.374
83.207mph
44 1:45.675
87.808mph
Dunlop  
[ZiP]Tyf
 Ze insane Penguins
Morgan Aero 8 NGT 16 +9.402
89.315mph
13 +4L
82.717mph
43 1:44.345
88.927mph
Dunlop  
Dan Minton
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 10 +7.521
90.962mph
14 +14.737
82.466mph
43 1:43.791
89.401mph
Dunlop  
Rich_A
 CBFR
Ferrari 550 Maranello GT1 2 +0.939
97.236mph
15 +16L 31 1:37.360
95.307mph
unknown
Michelin  
whitham69
 Team Shark
Dodge Viper GTS-R GT1 6 +4.475
93.762mph
16 +25L 22 1:40.812
92.043mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Jamera
 Ze insane Penguins
Mosler MT900R NGT 19 +49.842
64.290mph
17 +27L 20 1:44.896
88.460mph
unknown
Dunlop  
Nick Phillips
 Team Shark
Mosler MT900R NGT 13 +7.740
90.768mph
18 +33L 14 1:42.972
90.113mph
unknown
Dunlop  
JonM_uk
 Ze insane Penguins
Lister Storm GT1 1 1:34.489
98.203mph
+47L 0 ---
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unknown
Dunlop  
Bernie Lomax
 
Porsche 911 GT3-RS NGT 17 +9.709
89.052mph
DNS ---
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Dunlop  
SimRacing.org.uk Lap Records
GTR
GT1
1:34.489
98.203mph
JonM_uk
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« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2006, 05:08:12 PM +0100 »

Its a game people play games for fun, also people have family's and friends and "shock" maybe even a life away from their computer screens!!!
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« Reply #46 on: April 24, 2006, 05:19:52 PM +0100 »

Dude i really dont think you are reading too well today but I also think you are slightly deluded in the fact that you think you are as fast as CJ. Point one:- hot lap pace is irrelevant to race pace just coz some one can put in on good lap doesnt mean they are inherrently a good racer, there will always be people who take the view that by setting the fastest lap they are the best but then they tend to crash alot...

Ask him, i'm plain faster on some turns. Albeit maybe only one or two but still that's something I have enjoyed learning. And of course no one is immune from making the odd mistake unless you are a robot lol!! But believe me, I raced him, I was faster on some turns and he can be beaten as can anyone! He said he only uses crappy Logitech pedals too so i'm sure given a decent set of pedals he'd be even faster! It's pointless argument cause when the pace is that fast there's no point trying to overtake, you only slow each other down.

Hotlap is reflective of race pace. It the same as a qualifying setup i.e soft soft tyres, if you can make good time with quali setup then no doubt you know how to make good race setup.  

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Point two:- We dont have a very large active user base for GTR so imposing such a system would further alienate new members.

The exact opposite is true. It is an attractive feature of any league and seen as this is only pre-season qualifying won't take much effort. Not like it's for every event only every season.

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Point three:- putting laps on slower cars or passing a slower car that has managed to get ahead of you is a SKILL as show by the late great Ayrton Senna so removing the slower cars would take some of the fun away from racing.

From what i've seen in SROU, it's no fun at all trying to second guess a slower drivers next move. It's only inexperince though - this pre-qualifying shows that all drivers have a certain amount of experience and skill. I understand the frustration of an inexperienced driver but the frustration is what causes chaos and makes a league look ugly. Less frustration more effort equals better racing for all.

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The systems you talk about all the time are implemented by the likes of COMET league where the pace is ALOT faster than it is here, I know they dont do GTR anymore but maybe if you are looking for such a system then maybe you should try racing the likes of Hutu and see how far you get? Tongue

I'm quite happy driving here thankyou. I'm not looking to race against the best of the best, besides which I don't have the hardware to compete at that level. But soon enough I will have the hardware and I will be able to compete! That's not the point, the point is all that's needed here at SROU is pre-season qualifying and then it will be alot more attractive to the more advanced drivers and it will show the less experienced drivers that they will be racing against a full field of skilled drivers and that they must apply a little effort to even take part.

If I was a new comer to this league and this pre-season qualifying was in place I would be attracted by the fact that I have to qualify to take part. It is like anything in life, there are ladders to climb and standards to reach why is SROU any different?



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« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2006, 05:28:58 PM +0100 »

My 'quote Rich button' went on strike... So I'll just use my own words...

Very, very, very happy Rich ain't running this league!

I really do appreciate the time u put into the carpack etc, but ur ideas are in my opinion so far off from what this league is about that I'm really glad u have no say in it Cheesy

Just wanted to mention 1 thing, cba arguing about all ur 'ideas' tbh, but GTR (& GTL as well) use different cars in the same classes... Whether ur called Huttu, Dom Duhan, CJ, Rich_A or [ZiP]Tyf (feck that sounds kewl! Wink) driving a 575 will NEVAH make u as fast as driving a Saleen. Same for a Vertigo, Mosler, Morgan against a GT3/F360...

Zac posted a good 1 as well... Why? LOL!

Why did I post this? Hmmm, dunno, k, quit! Smiley

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« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2006, 05:34:07 PM +0100 »

I don't feel this sort of qualifying is in the spirit of the SimRacing club exactly. We pride ourselves on having a range of speeds. Remember speed and good driving are two different things. You can be very fast and be a very bad and discourteous driver (anyone heard of Mourali?) but you can also be a slower driver and be very courteous. I know which I'd rather race with and the later does not detract from the racing.

With the bigger server coming online soon we may have enough room for everyone here anyway (to be determined). We do not want to fiddle with the format very much in future seasons as what we have works well. Minor tweaks here and there maybe, but not massive changes that are likely to disgruntle a lot more than they gruntle  Wink Shocked laugh.

We can have a seperate thread on minor tweaks to the Endurance format when this season is over. There is likely to be at least a 2 week break before a new season were to kick off anyway (at minimum) as the new server is coming early May and we need to test it's potential as well as give Dave a chance to finish the GTL stuff before inundating him with more GTR work.
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« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2006, 05:40:39 PM +0100 »

I really don't know what your problem is and being faster through 1 or 2 turns in 1 lap does not constitute being faster than someone! I don't see how buying a new wheel will improve your race pace by 1.5-3 seconds a lap and i find your attitude quite pathetic. You are a medium sized fish in a small pond and with your proposed changes it would get smaller all the time, now i know if i were you i would rather finish 5th out of 12 rather than last out of 5...
 Anywho Ive had enough of reading your opinion and now I'm off to send my time in a slightly more productive way......
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« Reply #50 on: April 24, 2006, 05:50:44 PM +0100 »

I really don't know what your problem is and being faster through 1 or 2 turns in 1 lap does not constitute being faster than someone! I don't see how buying a new wheel will improve your race pace by 1.5-3 seconds a lap and i find your attitude quite pathetic. You are a medium sized fish in a small pond and with your proposed changes it would get smaller all the time, now i know if i were you i would rather finish 5th out of 12 rather than last out of 5...
 Anywho Ive had enough of reading your opinion and now I'm off to send my time in a slightly more productive way......

When I say faster in one or two turns I mean consistantly faster over many laps, time after time in the same turn!! You are being quite offensive and belittling towards me, why?

Look at crappy movement in GTR controller sliders. If you have DFP then compare wheel movement on those sliders with pedals. Wheel is much more precise as are proper pedals. With decent set of pedals i'd be at least second faster!
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« Reply #51 on: April 24, 2006, 06:20:56 PM +0100 »

sorry but i find your "ideas" and the way you put them forward offensive and as for belittling maybe you should think about how the people who more towards the back feel about how you talk about them!!!!! I also find that the truth hurts.
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« Reply #52 on: April 24, 2006, 08:40:19 PM +0100 »

SimRacing.org.uk is founded on the ethos of UKGPL, a group of gentleman and lady racers where sportsmanship and good on-track conduct are the driving force. Driving standards are very important to us, but outright speed is not, and I will resist any attempt to introduce laptime-based prequalifying in our leagues.
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