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November 15, 2015, 09:46:32 PM +0000 - Nürburgring (Nordschleife) - UKGPL Season 29 (2015-16) Works Trophy (67)
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Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 1 8:07.349
104.803mph
1 49:15.188
103.700mph
6 8:04.554
105.407mph
Firestone  
Baab
 Team Baarf
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 3 +5.984
103.532mph
2 +1:20.622
100.946mph
6 8:18.506
102.457mph
Firestone  
AnGex
 Black Night Racing
Lotus 49 (Cosworth) F1 1967 12 +1:15.057
90.816mph
3 +1:29.606
100.648mph
6 8:19.138
102.327mph
Firestone  
EvilClive
 Blue Moose Racing
Honda RA300 F1 1967 16 4 +2:01.543
99.604mph
6 8:21.780
101.789mph
Firestone  
Doni Yourth
 Blue Moose Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 11 +30.291
98.670mph
5 +2:02.245
99.581mph
6 8:22.855
101.571mph
Firestone  
Samb
 Black Night Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 9 +28.465
99.019mph
6 +2:17.529
99.089mph
6 8:26.031
100.934mph
Goodyear  
Rainier
 Black Night Racing
BRM P115 F1 1967 10 +29.141
98.890mph
7 +3:00.547
97.729mph
6 8:33.997
99.369mph
Goodyear  
DLogan
 
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 8 +25.927
99.509mph
8 +1L
100.999mph
5 8:16.815
102.806mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Ronniepeterson
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 7 +20.525
100.567mph
9 +3L
98.977mph
3 8:22.102
101.723mph
Disco
Firestone  
Robert Fleurke
 Antipasti Racing
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 2 +1.191
104.547mph
10 +4L
103.170mph
2 8:10.552
104.118mph
Disco
Firestone  
Gismo
 TEAM-GTLDK
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 4 +13.572
101.963mph
11 +28.971
100.237mph
2 8:27.979
100.547mph
Disco
Firestone  
Cookie
 Antipasti Racing
Ferrari 312 (1967) F1 1967 6 +17.818
101.106mph
12 +34.615
99.685mph
2 8:24.502
101.240mph
Disco
Firestone  
Pelle_B
 TEAM-GTLDK
Eagle T1G (Weslake 1967) F1 1967 14 13 +5L
97.162mph
1 8:41.047
98.025mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Turkey Machine
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 15 14 +11.311
95.115mph
1 8:51.282
96.136mph
Disco
Goodyear  
Jani Posta
 
Cooper T81b (Maserati) F1 1967 5 +14.429
101.789mph
15 +6L
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Disco
Firestone  
Iestyn Davies
 Blue Moose Racing
Brabham BT24 (Repco) F1 1967 17 16
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0 ---
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Disco
Goodyear  
9 UKGPL
 
BRM P115 F1 1967 13 17 DNS ---
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Goodyear  

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Greg Taber wins the race in a Ferrari, starting from Pole and also setting the Fastest Lap of the race, congratulations! Bob Whitwell finishes second in a Cooper, and Andreas Gebhardt rounds out the podium in a Lotus.

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« on: November 09, 2015, 03:51:25 PM +0000 »

Season 29 Works Trophy - Round 04 - Nürburgring

For the fourth round of the season we move to Germany to race at the legendary Nürburgring - Nordschleife. Since its construction (1925 - 1927), the Nordschleife has enjoyed a reputation as a terrifying and merciless route through the Eifel forests. An English journalist who visited the Nordschleife during the opening race on 18 June 1927 even concluded “that it seemed as if a reeling, drunken giant had been sent out to determine the route”. The Formula 1 pilot Sir John Young Jackie Stewart – after all a three-time world champion in 1969, 1971 and 1973 – was so impressed by the circuit that he gave it the name which it will probably never lose: Green Hell (Grüne Hölle).

Racing and winning on the Nordschleife has always been very special for racing drivers, because the track is one of the most demanding in the world. Tricky corners, treacherous crests, steep inclines and gradients and constantly changing road surfaces demand great skill from the driver and put vehicles to a hard test.

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2015, 10:07:41 PM +0000 »

DOH...& in Eagle  :'(...just not my day  Undecided

Grats  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2015, 10:15:26 PM +0000 »

PB in Coop for me so I'm happy enough despite a blown engine. Good luck to everyone still running.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 10:16:39 PM +0000 »

Engine quit working at the backstraight on Lap 3, totally unexpected. First thought my pedal broke, and stopped...in hindsight should have rolled to s/f for points...heartbreak, was just cruising having a huge lead...

After start made a few little mistake that might have caught out Greg, sorry Wink

Disappointing night in the end, but so it was for my main rival...halfspun in my best quali lap, and missed out on Pole...hope you had a good one Wink
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 10:51:50 PM +0000 »

Managed to finish this one, which as far as I'm concerned is an achievement in itself. Did have a couple of scares though. Had a spin on lap 1 at the mini-Karussell. Dave and the group following managed to avoid me so many thanks for that. Also, half way through I braked too late into the chicane before the main straight and had to spin the car around to avoid hitting the armco head-on  Roll Eyes.

As much as I'd like to blame the BRM, admittedly I've never managed to tame this track. 6th place was as high as I could have hoped for really. Congrats to Greg and all other finishers  Smiley.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2015, 12:33:01 AM +0000 »

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Lap 1:
Dean Logan overtakes Ronnie Peterson.
Dean Logan overtakes Jani Posta.
Dean Logan overtakes Gregory Taber.
Dean Logan is in position 5 at the end of the lap.

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Lap 2:
Gregory Taber overtakes Dean Logan.

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Lap 3:
Dean Logan overtakes Axel Cookie.
Dean Logan overtakes Peter Antonsen.
Dean Logan overtakes Robert Fleurke.
Dean Logan is in position 3 at the end of the lap.

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Dave Rainier67 overtakes Dean Logan.
Sam Blood overtakes Dean Logan.
 Doni67 overtakes Dean Logan.
65 evilclive overtakes Dean Logan.
Andreas Gebhardt overtakes Dean Logan.
Dean Logan retires the Brabham.

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2015, 06:16:58 AM +0000 »

After a new chassis pb on qual, I had a good start and a promising first lap but in the last sector major problems emerged when the screen went black... Sorry to all who was around me that time.. Sad

Congrats Greg and all finishers!
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2015, 05:43:08 PM +0000 »

Made it 1 and a bit laps before burying it in the hedge on the run to Adenaur bridge.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2015, 08:48:39 PM +0000 »

A tough race for me with many mistakes but also reasonable pace.  I chose the Cooper since I have a setup I used previously which seemed to suit this place pretty well and power isn't so important.

I thought I'd made a reasonable start but didn't want to get too close to Greg's Ferrari in the braking zone, so backed out fairly early but unfortunately this let Peter sneak past into T1 and I had to take a dicey wide line.  After a few more corners Greg spun and I was keeping Peter honest.  A while later Peter made a mistake and I was through.  I started to pull a gap but was making mistakes and went off the track which let Peter and others by.  One such person was Axel and after catching up to him we made contact just after Adenaur (I think).  It was only light but there was some warp and Axel was flipped over and out of the race.  Really sorry, I was trying to keep close, but obviously got too close.

Since quite a few people retired, I entered the last lap a distant 2nd with Dean a few seconds back, the gap reducing as I made too many errors.  Another mistake let Dean by.  I chased for a while but spun at the Karusell, however a few corners later Dean ripped a wheel or two off and went no further.  Hard luck Dean, you were fast!

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2015, 08:50:30 PM +0000 »

Grats to Greg on the sweep of pole, win & FTD.  Great job though I know you had some 'adventures' along the way.

Good jobs by both BobW and Andreas for rounding out the podium.  Great job by AG, in fact.  He started behind me and only passed on Lap01 on the main straight.

Some cruel luck for Robert and Dean.  Sad

I had a great scrap with Clive for a good three laps.  For the first three of our six laps, I took it kinda easy to make sure that I got at least 50% of the race distance in the bag.  After that, I ramped things up a bit.  It was great fun hounding the Wazamobile but unless Evil made a crucial error, passing was going to next to impossible.  Clive did make a couple of small gaffes to slide off but I wasn't quite close enough to pounce.  I could have made a stab at it but it would have been a dicey maneuver.  On the last lap, Clive had a slight wobble and I ran wide to gauge a pass attempt but bungled it and spun a full loop losing only a few seconds.  I'm believing the Clive thought he was responsible for that and he checked up to allow me to close right up again but no, it was my gaffe.  We rounded out that final tour in close formation with P4 hanging in the balance.  Missed out by a tick.

During the battle, I couldn't help but think of Mario Andretti's comments immediately following the 1979 French GP at Dijon after viewing footage of Villeneuve and Arnoux going at it with no holds barred in a desperate fight for P2 at the finish.  He said something like, 'Just two young lions clawing at each other.'  With Clive and I both well along into our 7th decade, I thought, 'Just two old, toothless lions pissing on each other.'  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 12:04:38 AM +0000 »

Grats Greg! and finishers.. I was honestly expecting Rob to take another win but for his unluck..

As usual The ring chewed me through and spit me out before I had done 3 laps.. Sorry to those around my unstable Cooper, luckily I don't think I hit anyone in my erratic driving.. Lost a rearwheel hitting a sign while spinning in what I think was the start of the final sector.. Hopefully I will quickly forget about this race :-P
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 01:04:29 AM +0000 »

Congratulations Bob and Andreas! I thought about driving the Lotus, but I'm too far from taming that beast at Nurburgring. Nice job Andreas getting it to the flag.

That was terrible luck for Rob. He had the very problem that was the main reason I didn't drive the Cooper. I also wanted to make things easier for myself by driving a car that wasn't likely to be underpowered compared to the other drivers. And since I feel the 312 gives me the best chance to finish, that made my car choice easy.

What a heartbreaker Dean! So close! It made me smile late in the race when I noticed your were in 2nd. I was pleased our incident/near incident had not appeared to hurt your performance greatly. Congrats on your improved lap times.

Great job though I know you had some 'adventures' along the way.

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That's an understatement concerning my first 1.1 laps. If I were an old lion, I'd have probably pissed on myself. Smiley

I make a mistake preparing for this race that many of us are lucky to survive. I ran 3 laps in the Cooper, 5 laps in the Lotus, and 2 laps in the Ferrari. I should have ran two 3 laps stints in the Ferrari and maybe a dozen practice race starts stopping after S2. I know I'm weak in S1 and struggle terribly the first 1/2 of lap of a race. One practice start near the end of Q wasn't a wise prep routine.

The first lap didn't go well at all. I got off the line poorly. No problem, I thought. I can pass a Cooper easily after Dottinger Hohe.

Well it didn't take long to screw up again. I ran wide not only in Sudkehre, but exiting too. That got me a little worried, no cushion behind me braking for Nordkehre. I got through that turn without much trouble.

The next turn I exit a little wide again. I lose traction when the RR touches the grass. I got off the throttle quick enough to keep from losing control. I lose 3 positions. No longer do I worry. Now I'm just glad I'm still going without hitting anything or causing any other driver a great deal of trouble.
Now I'm behind Axel. I think it's going to be a long wait until we get to Dottinger Hohe. Later Axel is slow exiting Andenauer. I've got the momentum to pass him. Smiley Oops, I went right. No room on the right, heavy braking instead. Axel is kind and let's me pass anyway. Now I'm starting to feel good. Pass 1 car per lap and I'm easily back in 2nd before the end. Smiley

That didn't last long. Bob has some trouble at Metzgesfeld. His car was shrouded in smoke leading me to believe I had another easy position. Not so. He recovers quickly and is beside me in the next turn.

For a third time I put a wheel off the track where I shouldn't. When the RF goes off the track the rear breaks lose and I'm out of control. Excellent driving, patience, and with a little luck, Axel and Dean avoid me. Great job guys!

Now I've backed up to Jani. Damn it! I run wide again the turn after Wehrseifen. This time the hedge kicks me around a bit and Jani has to take evasive action. If only I can make it to S3, I might be able to get my act together.

Like usual, I get a good run up the hill from Bergwerk. I'm flying at Kesselchen which puts me right behind Dean and Axel. I had the momentum to pass Dean but at such a high speed with no clear indication whether to go left or right, I slow down.

Now I start cruising. I'm waiting for Dottinger Hohe again. I am a little concerned though. Dean has a Brabham and Axel a Ferrari, so passing on the long straight isn't so easy versus a Cooper. I keep my revs down and try to stay about 2 car lengths behind Dean. He's pressuring Axel and I want to keep any distraction for them to a minimum.

Later Axel checks up in the turn after Wippermann. That slows Dean much more than I expect. Luckily I was trying to leave some room, so I had just enough time to brake before I hit Dean. Whew! That was close one.

One more time I run wide. Almost identical to what I did at T3. This time I can't keep from contacting a barrier off the left side of the track. Jani has to take evasive action again but this time he's able to get by.

I'm almost immediately on his tail. His Cooper will be easy work on the long straight. Unfortunately the drama isn't finished. Jani runs wide at the mini Karussell. I assume he's going to let me pass. I want the position hoping it might give me the opportunity to pass Dean, Axel, or both on one the next three straights. I exited the mini Karussell trying to stay on the left half of the track. I thought my LF tire hit the grass making the rear break to the right, which resulted in me sliding into Jani. Sad I felt terrible for knocking Jani out of the race and thought I could be penalized for not leaving him enough room. I was relieved when I looked at my replay and saw I had left him well more than half of the track on the right. I was glad to see I didn't put the LF off the track either. The rear kicked to the right when Jani hit me.

That's the end of the drama for lap 1. Smiley I'm back at it in early in lap 2 though. Smiley

I was hoping I could get the rear to hook up good exiting the Sudkehre. If so I might be able to get a run on Dean before Norkehre. No luck. I wonder if he might be kind and let me by. Not so this time. I brake a little early for Nordkehre but not quite as hard as usual. Oh no! I'm in trouble again. Dean's a little slower than I expected and I've locked the LF wheel. I have to lift off the brakes to get the car to turn left so I can avoid hitting Dean. It works but I'm still in trouble. I'm out of control and the only move I have left is to try to slow the car as quickly as possible and hope Dean can avoid me. Dean goes wide and unfortunately he drops a rear wheel off the track and spins. That's better than what I thought might have happened but he still loses a good bit of time. I thought I might have bumped you. I apologize for almost hitting you and forcing you into a mistake.

I also apologize to Jani for putting him in some difficult situations. A better practice routine and I would have been likely never been any trouble for Dean or Jani.

Axel is very kind again on lap 2 and let's me pass. Thanks. Smiley I would have done the same if the situation were reversed. Survival is key here.

That's the end of all the real drama for me. Bob spins in the Schikane at the end of lap 2 and Rob's engine fails near the end of lap 3.

That was a lucky win. I needed it. I never gave up on 2nd place. But even I were driving at my absolute best I knew I needed Rob to lose close to 10 seconds to have a chance for the win.

The second half of the race was uneventful. Just what I needed after lap 1. Once Rob was out, I tried to drop my shift point 200 rpms and hit all my usual braking points. I was very pleased with my focus. I never realized Pelle was behind me at one point. I wasn't sure I had passed Rob's car before Antoiniusbuche until I crossed the starting line. The last time through Dottinger Hohe, I was thinking I'm going to pick up the pace for the last lap. Funny thing is it was the last lap. I thought pribluda was wrong but when I checked the fuel level it confirmed the race was ending while I thought there was still another lap. I was ready for a lap 7! Smiley

I'm glad I finished. This is one my favorite tracks and 3 DNF's in a row in the 67s had me annoyed. It sure didn't start well. The only good I did on lap 1 was, I managed to limit my stupidity, I tried to be careful not to end anybody's race, and I survived.

Guys, if you think this track is difficult now, give it a try in any of the GTs except the 910. That will make these cars seem much easier. I would recommend the Can Ams but that's just cruel. Even though I knew the track well, it took me 50 laps before I could hustle the M8F around this track. The 910 is very nice car here. It helped me learn the track well after weeks of frustration in the 312 and 330.

Thanks guys. I enjoyed it. I'll make sure I'll do at least several practice starts in days preceding any future races here.

Here's Dean and I after Wippermann. Yikes! Luckily he wasn't in a Lotus or I'd have had a DFV exhaust punching a hole in my radiator?



Another scary moment!

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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 10:26:09 AM +0000 »

Greg, that's my way to take the 2nd Karussel Smiley It's just faster and safer for me on the outside.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 12:10:51 PM +0000 »

Great write-up, Greg!  A treat to read.

I only assumed from watching my progress in the replay cap and noting times in GPLRA that you must have had some moments.  I didn't specifically hunt down the reasons for your position and lap time at the end of Lap01 but I know now!  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 01:18:17 PM +0000 »

Grats to Greg on the sweep of pole, win & FTD.  Great job though I know you had some 'adventures' along the way.

Good jobs by both BobW and Andreas for rounding out the podium.  Great job by AG, in fact.  He started behind me and only passed on Lap01 on the main straight.

Some cruel luck for Robert and Dean.  Sad

I had a great scrap with Clive for a good three laps.  For the first three of our six laps, I took it kinda easy to make sure that I got at least 50% of the race distance in the bag.  After that, I ramped things up a bit.  It was great fun hounding the Wazamobile but unless Evil made a crucial error, passing was going to next to impossible.  Clive did make a couple of small gaffes to slide off but I wasn't quite close enough to pounce.  I could have made a stab at it but it would have been a dicey maneuver.  On the last lap, Clive had a slight wobble and I ran wide to gauge a pass attempt but bungled it and spun a full loop losing only a few seconds.  I'm believing the Clive thought he was responsible for that and he checked up to allow me to close right up again but no, it was my gaffe.  We rounded out that final tour in close formation with P4 hanging in the balance.  Missed out by a tick.

During the battle, I couldn't help but think of Mario Andretti's comments immediately following the 1979 French GP at Dijon after viewing footage of Villeneuve and Arnoux going at it with no holds barred in a desperate fight for P2 at the finish.  He said something like, 'Just two young lions clawing at each other.'  With Clive and I both well along into our 7th decade, I thought, 'Just two old, toothless lions pissing on each other.'  Smiley

Yes a great race Doni.
I think the old Waza ( the car not me!) had more top speed and anyway I had geared it "long" to protect the engine. Started last ( I think Iestyn just crossed the line to secure his tokens) and the plan was to take it easy first lap and get to the finish. But you know how it is.... someone leaves a gap or runs wide and you just have to take the opportunity. Before you know it you are wrestling with the wheel and working up a good sweat  Shocked

As a result when I picked up the tow on lap 2(?) down the long straight, the pass was far easier than I had expected it to be.  I eased a small gap and was thinking comfortable thoughts around lap 4, hoping for a couple of more retirements ahead and a possible podium, when Doni upped his pace and started looming in my mirrors! Looming is not something that men of our age should be doing Doni, it can get you into all sorts of trouble with the moderators!
As for old lions.......... I'm just chuffed that I can be considered that much of a threat!!  Roll Eyes
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